"This Team Could Be Crazy!"
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2013 would've been another great year if we would've had a PG and a healthy Noel. CBB was way way down that year, I mean look who won the tournament that year. Archie would've been much better off with someone that could create for him, instead of trying to create on his own which was often disastrous. Really too bad we took Harrow, as much as I liked the kid, it just really didn't work out.
Gives you the impression he doesn't want Briscoe to do Team USA basketball, but won't tell him no. I think the kids need to get focused on their teammates and NBA future....not a few weeks that USA basketball will give them.
The team will be crazy with Murray, and I feel Murray is UK-bound. Oregon actually has a better 1-3 position setup than UK presently has and I think that factors into Murray pulling the trigger for UK.
I still believe he expected the NBA to up the Age Limit and thought he would have AD, MKG, and Teague back.
If that would have happened:
G Teague/Harrow
G Goodwin/Hood/Polson
F Kidd-Gilchrist/Poythress
F Davis/Wiltjer
C Noel/Cauley-Stein
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Agreed.
Shooting would be their Achilles Heel, IMHO. Wiltjer would have been the only true shooter.
That's an unreal roster. I think Davis would of been the 4 over Noel. Davis would of been given more of the green light to shoot outside jumpers. He was already starting to do so at the end of his freshmen year. I believe Harrow would of been much better coming off the bench with no pressure on him. Despite his cowering away from pressure the kid was talented at playing ball.
I think you are right. That would have kept AD from being bored out of his skull. Allow him to move out on the perimeter and shoot some jumpers.
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It'll be crazy when we get Murray, as somebody else done said. (Now mock my hillbilly way of saying that) With Murray we're the best team hands down.
Ulis
Briscoe
Murray
Poy
Skal
We'll have Mulder, Mathews, and Lee as the main backups, with Hawkins getting 4-5 mins. Hopefully Wynyard come on and gives us another good big coming off the bench. He should be that big strong, rough, tough big we need. Mulder's gonna surprise everybody and probably be our 6th man, and I look for Poy to be a beast at the 4. Then Lee should be way better. He'll look like a different player I bet. Skal will be the best player in the country, Murray will be a big time scorer, and Ulis may be the best PG in the nation. Briscoe's a boss. I think Poy may just dominate this year too with him playing the 4. We also may be the best passing team in history with Briscoe and Ulis. I cant wait to see those 3 guards together.
Ulis
Briscoe
Murray
Poy
Skal
We'll have Mulder, Mathews, and Lee as the main backups, with Hawkins getting 4-5 mins. Hopefully Wynyard come on and gives us another good big coming off the bench. He should be that big strong, rough, tough big we need. Mulder's gonna surprise everybody and probably be our 6th man, and I look for Poy to be a beast at the 4. Then Lee should be way better. He'll look like a different player I bet. Skal will be the best player in the country, Murray will be a big time scorer, and Ulis may be the best PG in the nation. Briscoe's a boss. I think Poy may just dominate this year too with him playing the 4. We also may be the best passing team in history with Briscoe and Ulis. I cant wait to see those 3 guards together.
OMG, please stop. Every year we get these "college basketball if down" comments. Just stop, it's apparently "DOWN" every year I guess. And why does it matter won the dang tournament that year? Sometimes the best team doesn't win, just like in 2010 and 2015 but I wish people would stop saying college basketball is down EVERY SINGLE YEAR. When was CBB up? 1996? Lets stop belittling our teams' accomplishments by saying Cbb is down every year.
And IMO, that 2013 team just didn't click and, even though Nerlens is one of my all time favorite UK players, he was a man on an island, he would have had to do it himself and he just wasn't capable of doing that. We can talk about the reasons why our roster was what it was all day long but it was never going to be great, or even good for that matter. Face it, it was just a bad year for UK, cbb was the same as it has been every year since the mid 90's.
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Shooting wouldn't have mattered for that fantasy team. Nobody would've gotten to 50 on them. Particularly considering that season was the worst talent-wise in modern college basketball history.
This years team didn't exactly set the nets on fire from deep. We had several scares of not getting a 3 pointer until the last couple minutes.
I think that fantasy team would of had an excellent chance at going 40-0 more so than this years team. More offensively minded than this years team with more talented, athletic guys who could play some serious D.
I'd take that team in a second
I think that fantasy team would of had an excellent chance at going 40-0 more so than this years team. More offensively minded than this years team with more talented, athletic guys who could play some serious D.
I'd take that team in a second
I have to agree with Cal on this coming season. This team is going to be fun to watch, especially with Murray.
With Murray we have everything we need.
Starters
G Ulis- pure, pass first PG that can shoot.
G Briscoe- slashing scorer that can also pass and shoot.
G Murray- shooter/scorer that can also pass.
F Poythress- Senior leader, rebounds and defends.
F Labissiere- superstar.
Bench
F Lee- experienced, high energy guy off the bench.
G Mulder- shooter off the bench.
G Matthews- slasher off the bench.
F Wynyard- big body inside off the bench.
G Hawkins- experienced reserve, good perimeter defender.
F Willis- some size on the bench.
G Floreal- athletic reserve.
Mostly 6-7 guys will play. The five starters and Lee as sixth man will get most of the minutes. Whoever plays best between Mulder and Matthews gets most of the backup minutes on the perimeter. Wynyard gets some minutes inside when we have foul trouble.
Not as deep as the 2015 squad (we won't likely see that kind of depth ever again), but I think that is by design. The starters will be the stars. The rest will be role players.
With Murray we have everything we need.
Starters
G Ulis- pure, pass first PG that can shoot.
G Briscoe- slashing scorer that can also pass and shoot.
G Murray- shooter/scorer that can also pass.
F Poythress- Senior leader, rebounds and defends.
F Labissiere- superstar.
Bench
F Lee- experienced, high energy guy off the bench.
G Mulder- shooter off the bench.
G Matthews- slasher off the bench.
F Wynyard- big body inside off the bench.
G Hawkins- experienced reserve, good perimeter defender.
F Willis- some size on the bench.
G Floreal- athletic reserve.
Mostly 6-7 guys will play. The five starters and Lee as sixth man will get most of the minutes. Whoever plays best between Mulder and Matthews gets most of the backup minutes on the perimeter. Wynyard gets some minutes inside when we have foul trouble.
Not as deep as the 2015 squad (we won't likely see that kind of depth ever again), but I think that is by design. The starters will be the stars. The rest will be role players.
Remember, though, in that scenario other teams get talent back as well. Beal would have been forced to return to UF. Rivers would be back for Duke.
So there would be a little more talent out there.
Still, that team would dominate defensively.
It's always seemed to me that Cal underplays the next team. So I'm kind of excited that he's talking this way at this point. I think he really thinks this team cold be really good.
It also seemed obvious that he's expecting another piece.
It also seemed obvious that he's expecting another piece.
On what basis would he have thought that? People act like the NBA commissioner (or whoever they see as "the NBA") can just arbitrarily change those kind of rules. That's not how it works, and there has never been a realistic reason to think that the rule is changing- something Cal is 100% aware of, regardless of whatever subtle form of lobbying he might occasionally utilize.
The next time you hear about labor talks between owners and the NBAPA? That's when the rule could change. Not before then, unless you hear about some kind of early, broader renegotiation of the current deal.
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Why the continued links to the Louisville newspaper when you have to subscribe to the paper or at lease that is what I am assuming is the reason I can't read articles there? Some one help me here. This is not the first time that I have run into that problem here.
That was the year of the lockout and they were negotiating the CBA that fall (2011). He spoke about it on his radio show. He said that he thought that the new CBA would include upping the Age Limit. I think he was basing it on what he was hearing from his contacts. I remember hearing Cal say that he thought there was a good chance they change that rule, but it didn't happen, of course. Whether he truly believed that rule would be changed is pure speculation.
All Harrow needed was a Booker at 2g. Tough to shine with no shooters and 2 centers that can't score on the floor together. Tough year
Actually you're wrong about not being able to negotiate the age limit. That was the last thing being negotiated and they couldn't reach a decision on it and instead of holding up the season while they sorted the age limit rule, they made a provision that let them revisit it whenever they wanted to, which is why it's still talked about from time to time about it possibly changing in the near future. They could decide to relook at that potential change at any time. Do some research, you'll see what I'm talking about.
And do some research yourself- what would indicate that the NBAPA is open to any kind of change in the rule? Other than the wishful thinking of some people on a college basketball team's message board.
Real answer: nothing.
Come back in 2017, when the NBA collective bargaining agreement is being renegotiated. And even then, any college coach who recruits someone with the idea that they're going to be around longer than expected because the age rule is going to be changed is being wildly optimistic.
I think you are exactly right. Ryan had good skills and would've been great off the bench - but could not emotionally handle the fishbowl as "the" man. IMO if Teague had returned, much of the negative that happened that year wouldn't have. Just an opinion
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Yeah I wish everyone would quit making links to the LCJ. It is simply a waste of time going through that sign up crap and for sure I am not about to send money to that rag ever.
Goes to show how much more complicated it is to manage a program with so many underclassmen leaving every year. Every year, Calipari has to guess who will stay and who will go. When it goes right, you get a FF team. When it doesn't, you lose in the 1st round of the NIT.
Harrow wasn't the problem that year, it was goodwin. Goodwin couldn't shoot, made horrible decisions and was a ball hog.
I'm not a subscriber. Once in a while they have me answer a survey, but I've never entered any personal info or sent them any money.
Right. Which is why he shot a better % than Harrow, Wiltjer, or Mays, and had more assists for the year than Harrow. And then there are these numbers, for the 9 games after Noel went down for the year:
Goodwin- 14.7 ppg/ 47.5 % shooting
Harrow- 10 ppg/ 40% shooting
Wiltjer- 6.7 ppg/ 30.3% shooting
Mays- 9.2 ppg/ 34.3% shooting
But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good hate-on.
I don't have fact to back it up.
But, i thought Coach Cal was tempering the expectation of 2013 year with Noel. I don't ever recall him saying "this team can be crazy."
I remember him before season started that it's a process and everyone was saying "coach talk."
But, i thought Coach Cal was tempering the expectation of 2013 year with Noel. I don't ever recall him saying "this team can be crazy."
I remember him before season started that it's a process and everyone was saying "coach talk."
No. It was definitely Harrow. Archie was put in a bad situation. That was very easy to see. Archie definitely needed a facilitator.
Ryan was by far the issue, anyone that's been around Cal and others knows this quite well.
If you watched the ESPN UK All-Access program you knew this was a concern at the beginning of the year.
All we needed in 2013 was Teague to keep us out of the NIT. Even with Noel going down, we would have made the tourney. We probably lose early in the tourney, though.
I would have liked to have seen a Teague/Goodwin backcourt that year.
I would have liked to have seen a Teague/Goodwin backcourt that year.
I doubt there would have been a tougher backcourt in the country. People can say what they want about Archie, but he played hard as hell. Teague's defense speaks for itself and after 2012 I think he would have been the man in 2013
