Agreed. Money has value, but so does opportunity to develop and staff success rate of getting players to the NFL. I've taken less money and I have advised people as a search consultant to take less money for some specific roles. It's easier to buy players, but it doesn't mean we can't compete and I like where Stoops has positioned himself. We just need NIL to be average to good. It can't be nonexistent.
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Players shouldn’t be permitted to transfer to teams within their conference. I know, I know….UK got the RB from Vandy but that’s how I feel.
Very true. The portal benefits teams who are shrewd talent evaluators AND good recruiters. I believe we have both skills on our staff.
I agree grumpy that UGA isn’t wrong for using the portal But….
1. It’s still bad for college imo of how it’s being use
2. You tend to be quick to hammer in Tennessee, Auburn and a few other schools that entice kids to portal with Nil $$$$
Do you feel the same way towards those schools now that UGA is back in Portal business?
Is there any proof that it was Bama and OSU? Wouldn't surprise me a bit with OSU but Bama would surprise me a little.
Exactly I don’t know how you beat Georgia now. They are getting 5 stars at every position, and if they can pick the best players with experience for other positions they become unbeatable, which they pretty much already areThis is insane. UGA (and Bama) not only get constant 5 star after 5 star….but now get to go shopping off of Sec rosters their best players
Glorified AAU / Travel ball is thjs is.
And I get UK got NC state Qb….but at least he’s have qualified as a grad transfer. But this is outright cherry picking
Georgia adds SEC transfer WRs Thomas, Lovett
Georgia added two of the top wide receiver transfers on Thursday with former Mississippi State star Rara Thomas and former Missouri standout Dominic Lovett.www.espn.com
Some of us see it differently. It is about making a commitment and following through w that commitment. I understand most coaches show little to no commitment anymore, but at least the players did. And as fans, that is what we cared about. Should fans support someone different every year because some team offers the fans more $? There used to be a value on loyalty. With all due respect and just my opinion, your comment illustrates what is going wrong in our society.
You make a really strong argument. Since there is zero fault with your logic, i am in 100% agreement w you. (That and 2 dollars MIGHT get you a coke someplace these days...)
UGA doesn't have that kind of money. Our biggest booster is a liquor distributor. I wish we had a booster that would throw a few mil into the recruiting chest. You notice how AU's recruiting has fallen off the last couple of years? NIL killed their recruiting because it isn't cheating now. UT was the one that paid a kid 8m to go there reportly, they seem pretty proud of that and not denying it. AU is claiming UK gave Leary 4m for 1 year, I don't believe that, but osu claiming UGA gave a kid millions is believed by most. AU is sour grapes, just like the osu claim.
I think the way the portal is being used is the worst thing to happen to college athletics. But if other teams are using it, you do too or fall behind. It's a legal option, I dislike it, but feel if you want to maintain success you have to use it.
Fans usually have some sort of long term interest in a school or team. They attended the school or were raised by parents with an interest. Or maybe as a kid they just liked the nickname “purple people eaters” so they became a Minnesota Vikings fan. For players and coaches it’s simply an opportunity, it’s a job. Do you, would you stay at your current job if a better opportunity came along?
This is a well written argument! But I just don't agree with you.
1. A 17 year old should not be tied to a 4 year commitment.
2. Coaches recruit over kids all the time. So if a kid goes to a college and sees the coach would rather find someone else to play, I don't think the kid should have to suffer the next three years because he made a commitment.
3. There are a multitude of things that could be going on in his personal life at school that could be making his experience horrible and would benefit from a transfer.
4. Any day these kids could endure a career ending injury, if they have an opportunity now to make money, the should absolutely be allowed to take full advantage. So if going to another school is how they can make that happen, by all means let them do that.
5. Kids can make a commitment to a school but the coach can turn out to be something different than what they committed to. The coach can be a jerk, not give them playing time, play them in a different role than what he promised, etc....
A kid should never be forced to stay when the coach turns out to be different than what he was during the recruiting process.
6. The ability to play professionally can depend on how the coach uses them, if they are not in a good fit, you want the kid to stay and give up his chance to play pro, all cause he made a commitment at 17 years of age????
I could go on and on.
I do think a kid should finish out the season, never quit on your team mid season. But after each season, they should be allowed to reevaluate the situation and make choices accordingly.
And if one school is willing to pay a kid more than another school, that is awesome. Let the free market work so these athletes can get what they are worth.
I don't disagree with you in principle, but at least half of these kids are 18, so that really isn't a good argument, they are judged to be old enough to lay down their life defending the country.
Yes coaches are under a contract and can leave early anytime they choose. But that move isn't a free move, someone is paying a lot of money for a coach going to another school as his contract has to be bought out, not a good argument for free movement.
Kids have never been forced to stay, they have always been able to transfer, but like the coaches those moves weren't free, it cost a year.
If it comes to bidding wars its no longer college football, I will find something else to watch, pickleball may get a new fan.
Every kid faces derecruitment no matter where they sign. WL wasn't playing at PSU, comes to UK and is a top QB prospect, but if he can't cut down on his turnovers he will be just another Stat. But transferring was definitely good for him, and UK.
Well stated!
I think reforms could be had when a coach leaves then all the kids can leave without sitting a year. Etc.
But this current model is sort of dumb and many fans are gong to leave
Buyouts for coaches are case by case. Pretty sure as neither Cal or Stoops have buyouts in their contracts.
Recruiting is and always has been a bidding war. The only difference today is that more of it is above board and more visible.
Free market for players is here to stay! It's never going back. Players will be transferring much more frequently,which means schools will be recruiting transfers and basically bidding on them. This will get more and more business like for college athletes. If that effects your ability to enjoy the game, you might as well stop watching now. It's only going to keep progressing, it's never going back to the way some of you want to restrict these kids.
I don't believe that, I had a few kids who were highly ranked kids over the years, signed P5 scholarships and none were ever offered money to attend a particular school. I think its insulting to think every kid is on the take. UGA has a sr when he signed he showed up to school in a new Raptor, right away it was a "gift" according to some, nevermind his mother is a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and his dad is over the harbor at Savannah
I agree it's never going back to where it was even 5 years ago. It's looking more and more like players are going to be considered employees. Which brings other questions, if someone has 4 years, 5 with a RS, when that time is up and he is forced to retire for lack of a better term, will he have earned a pension? When a player isn't quite good enough for the NFL, but was a very good college player, making low 6 figure NIL, will he be able to sue for more eligibility?
Poor kids might get 500 yards next year. I’d go UGA if I was a DL or a LB but BMac is a terrible WR coach and that offense is bad for WRs.
I want to be sure I understand this. Stetson wasn't a very good QB, McClendon is a terrible coach, UGA WR don't catch the ball, correct? How do you explain UGA being 3rd in the SEC in passing offense, behind 2 air raid offenses, more than Bama with Brice Young a Heisman winner and possible number 1 draft pick. Doing that when seldom throwing the ball in the 2nd half. Really hard to accept the QB, WR and WR coach are all bad with those results. I realize you never mentioned Stetson but it's been mentioned before he was very good, yet has the best resume in college. He is small, that's his only negative.
Great questions!
Moreover, given that NIL is taxable income, how long before all the schollis and other benefits get taxed?
Bowl swag taxed as income?
Your post assumes the players will soon be employees of the schools. Should UK and UGA push for this, to share the largess from the new TV contracts, at least leveling (somewhat) the field with oil rich schools in Oklahoma and Texas?
So no to Jaquez Jones and Keidron Smith, etc?
Should you not be allowed to hire Coordinators from in conference?
I don’t believe for one second coaches are waiting till a player hits the portal before making contact. Not. One. Bit. Hell, Stoops basically said BB already had NIL offers from other schools and he isn’t in the portal. Anyone that thinks in season recruiting isn’t happening surly is not paying attention. I think that’s the biggest difference from transfer in and sit out a year compared to now.
Well he’s played one more game than most QBs. He was also in the game late against bad teams like Kent State and Samford. 2 of your top 3 receivers are not WRs because it’s a dink and dunk offense. There were like 4 games where UGA didn’t even have a passing TD.
You could build and feed a nice size country with the money Georgia has spent buying players the last 7 years. Haha. Kentucky may get you a nice small town from eastern Kentucky , but Georgia would get you Texas. Lmao.
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Huh? How old are you? There have been 8 recessions in my lifetime. Economic ebbs and flows are pretty common. The “rich” have never paid a smaller share of their income than they do today.
Why do you think college sports would be dead if people stopped paying players? Were they paid for the 100+ years before NIL?
Don’t like the direction college football is headed. We need guardrails asap.This is insane. UGA (and Bama) not only get constant 5 star after 5 star….but now get to go shopping off of Sec rosters their best players
Glorified AAU / Travel ball is thjs is.
And I get UK got NC state Qb….but at least he’s have qualified as a grad transfer. But this is outright cherry picking
Georgia adds SEC transfer WRs Thomas, Lovett
Georgia added two of the top wide receiver transfers on Thursday with former Mississippi State star Rara Thomas and former Missouri standout Dominic Lovett.
Who has UGA bought and how much did they pay? Making the claim you are making you should know. Talk is cheap, but without some kind of proof is nothing more than sour grapes. I
A lack of height doesn't preclude one from being the No. 1 pick in the draft, as Kyler Murray can attest to. There is a different reason besides that why Bennett is very unlikely to get drafted- he doesn't have NFL tools and height is only one tool. But he's an outstanding college quarterback, no doubt about that.
Bennett does what good QBs do late in their career. He feeds the check downs. It’s why a RB, a TE and a slot WR who is a slant/mesh king like a poor man’s Edelman is their 3 main targets. He also has a ton of yards from shovel passes on sweeps from 2 of those guys.
And that is all i care about, if he gets a shot good for him, but if not, I am ok with that too.
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