Let’s not forget we were without WCS for that game. Could have used his size and athleticism.
This Could Have All Been Avoided
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I want him gone and it's got everything to do with his handling of the basketball program and lack of...
All that kneeling bullshit or what his politics is means nothing to me.I could care less what political group he is,politicians are assholes that think they know what's best for you...I don't buy their shit.
2014 we lost WCS right at the F4.
2015 we lost Poythress for the rest of the season.
If we win 2014 maybe we don’t have 2015. If we are one less injury either of those seasons we have at least one more title.
We were the second tallest team in America that year. The only team with more average height was the Portland Trail Blazers. But we weren’t that much taller than Wisconsin. They were experienced, they could score, and they weren’t overwhelmed by our size the way some teams were. I knew we could lose that game.
Mitch’s silence tells me this is coming from his boss. Remember, Cal and Eli are pretty close. Maybe the whole contract thing was pushed on Mitch more than we realize.
Injuries don't count for calipari teams, only other UK coaches.
There was also a mismatch on the wing when Poythress went down. We didn’t have anyone capable of checking Decker and our All-American big man got worked by their big man.
My problem with 2010 was WV had no answer for Cousin's yet the last 8 minutes, we jacked up 3's and stopped trying to even get the ball to the big guy. There are several games we lost under Cal over the years where we owned the paint but stopped feeding the paint when we needed a basket, we don't tend to play to our strengths against some teams and it bites the Cats in the butt.
But no one's fallen short more than Kentucky and Calipari, and that's the part you keep missing.
If you just added a sentence like that at the end of your statement, it would have added so much credibility to your views as a poster.
Why are constantly reluctant to call out Calipari for his shortcomings?
Seriously.
What's the deal?
What's beyond insane is that we fail to win a title about 96% of the time no matter who the coach is and we know this before hand. We have the historic info in hand and people still stomp their feet and get bent about it 12 months a year when they already have the answer to the test and know there's only a 4% chance of winning it all. True madness. Imagine being told that 96 times out of 100 you were going to whiff when swinging at a golf ball and then doing it and getting mad about it even though you were told it was going to happen. lol
You're not even a real poster, so your posts just look like this to me:
Just so you know for the next time you quote me and expect me to actually read your caricature drivel.
You're not even a real poster, so your posts just look like this to me:
Just so you know for the next time you quote me and expect me to actually read your caricature drivel.
I've been to more UK national titles in person than you, so my fandom dwarfs yours and I've put my money where my mouth is. Sorry the factual truth must be ignored. Have fun knashing teeth.
What did you say?
Enjoy your day. 96% fail rate no matter the name of the coach. Facts are hard when they don't support one's agenda. Bye.
I am not going to wait until next year to be done with Calipari. I washed my hands of him a few years back. I am just going through the motions now.
I used to think all those years were **almost** cases. Situations where we would really have won it or at least really could have won it except for some unlikely bounces or a ref screwed us.
The more perspective I get on it all, the more I think Calipari’s whole approach to team basketball is just a dog that won’t hunt. Yeah he can craft a superstar out of a star who’s wired the right way and yeah his teams can show some flare here and there and yeah he can even do some fine coaching occasionally….
…..But building a team that can win six games starting late March and then actually taking the reins of that team and winning six games starting late March with it: it’s just not his thing. In fact it’s so much the opposite of his thing that it’s actually the times he seems to have a real shot at a title that are themselves the dumb luck and the unlikely bounces.
Anthony Davis and Michael-Kidd Gilchrist and sophomore Doron Lamb and sophomore Terrance Jones and senior Darius Miller were just a little too much for even Cal to overcome…….at least they were as long as Kendall Marshall was sitting down with a broken wrist.
I will give you that if we really had won titles in ‘10, ‘11, ‘14, ‘15, and’17 then history would have looked at John Calipari very very very very differently. But though once upon a time I would have agreed with you completely, now I really don’t think there is any nonzero chance at all that he ever could have won all those titles or even half of them without an awful lot of dirty money changing hands, no matter how many lucky bounces came his way. Just not the guy and not the system, not even before modern offenses started exposing him more.
…. And while it’s also true that the more of those early near-miss titles he really would have won, the more recruiting boost he would have gotten and so there ought to have been a resulting snowball effect———the more real-world data I get, the more I wind up thinking that even recruiting boosts wouldn’t have really led to compounded titles…..just compounded roster mismanagement.
Oz looked Great And Terrible to be sure…..but the only guy we ever really had coaching since ‘09 was the man behind the green curtain.
The more perspective I get on it all, the more I think Calipari’s whole approach to team basketball is just a dog that won’t hunt. Yeah he can craft a superstar out of a star who’s wired the right way and yeah his teams can show some flare here and there and yeah he can even do some fine coaching occasionally….
…..But building a team that can win six games starting late March and then actually taking the reins of that team and winning six games starting late March with it: it’s just not his thing. In fact it’s so much the opposite of his thing that it’s actually the times he seems to have a real shot at a title that are themselves the dumb luck and the unlikely bounces.
Anthony Davis and Michael-Kidd Gilchrist and sophomore Doron Lamb and sophomore Terrance Jones and senior Darius Miller were just a little too much for even Cal to overcome…….at least they were as long as Kendall Marshall was sitting down with a broken wrist.
I will give you that if we really had won titles in ‘10, ‘11, ‘14, ‘15, and’17 then history would have looked at John Calipari very very very very differently. But though once upon a time I would have agreed with you completely, now I really don’t think there is any nonzero chance at all that he ever could have won all those titles or even half of them without an awful lot of dirty money changing hands, no matter how many lucky bounces came his way. Just not the guy and not the system, not even before modern offenses started exposing him more.
…. And while it’s also true that the more of those early near-miss titles he really would have won, the more recruiting boost he would have gotten and so there ought to have been a resulting snowball effect———the more real-world data I get, the more I wind up thinking that even recruiting boosts wouldn’t have really led to compounded titles…..just compounded roster mismanagement.
Oz looked Great And Terrible to be sure…..but the only guy we ever really had coaching since ‘09 was the man behind the green curtain.
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Agree. I would have like to see us post us the KState guard with Wallace more. I think we did maybe once. Cal is awful at exploiting the other team.
Agree with Doc. There never was a relationship with the fans. Granted, a few got their claws stuck in his (hair), but mostly he just told us how it was, was gonna be, and for us to accept and like it. I’ve mentioned it many times on here, it never registered. His acceptance speech. Well,we’re seeing the results. Careful what you wish for.
“You just hate Cal”
There excuses are the same: Refs and injuries. Because other teams don’t deal with these problems… apparently
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Okay then why was it not so hard for UConn (5 titles in 24 years), Dook (3 titles in 15 years), UNC (3 titles in 13 years), Kansas (2 titles in 15 years)?
with less talent
Duh, the fan base had been done with him for years...just read the message board.
We won in 12 and should’ve won in 2010 and 2015 for sure.
You know what? Yes it would have changed the 9-16, losing to at peters, Evansville. Those things wouldn’t have happened if cal had delivered when he had the chances. His awful coaching has an impact on recruiting and getting those players from the portal. If we win in 2015 then we end up bringing in more in 2016 and 2017 because Cals template would have been looked at with success. Even if we had won 2014 and 2015 undefeateds lost people would be talking about how great a coach cal is and players would want to play for him like they did ratface. So this downturn in my opinion would have happened but probably have been minor if we had even one more title
Oh wow. Forgot it was him that made that call. Horrible. The asshole has been a real prick to us over the years. One guy has cost us dearly.
MD is a good poster and gets blasted because people don't agree with them. JMHO.
Other than the 2017 team, I haven’t been excited to watch any of the teams since 2015.
2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 have all been below average for Kentucky. That’s a long stretch of mediocre or less performance for us.
These years also coincide with the rise of injuries that never heal, players that quit or refuse to play. Lots of issues with chemistry.
We’ve seen unbalanced rosters. Teams that can’t shoot or get guys open.
Maybe two more titles earlier would have helped me to feel better about this run of down years. Maybe if Cal had a few more titles, he would have been content to move on and retire.
2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 have all been below average for Kentucky. That’s a long stretch of mediocre or less performance for us.
These years also coincide with the rise of injuries that never heal, players that quit or refuse to play. Lots of issues with chemistry.
We’ve seen unbalanced rosters. Teams that can’t shoot or get guys open.
Maybe two more titles earlier would have helped me to feel better about this run of down years. Maybe if Cal had a few more titles, he would have been content to move on and retire.
I truly believe we would have won all three of those games in 2011, 2015 and 2017 had Higgins not been on the whistle. Perhaps even 2005. (And who knows what effect he had on the outcome of 2010, as our matchup vs Cornell was far closer than it should’ve been. Did it affect our next game vs. WVU & Jamie Luckie?) 🤷♀️
Cal wins it in 17,and the last Final4 memory in fans mind wouldn't have been the most devastating loss in UK HISTORY to Wisconsin. Cal would be in better shape but still made uncomfortable. The 9-16 season and the first round loss to popcorn State ( with Shaedon Sharpe on bench refusing to play, destroyed Cals fan base.
Cal should have at least 4 Natty's counting Memphis but the problem is he does not get the basics of college basketball. He can teach Pro like skills to players but does not know how to teach teamwork and fundamentals of the college game.
The fact that he has had so much talent and only one title is proof of his ineptitude.
He has been to 6 final fours (4 UK, 1 Mempis, 1 UMASS) and won only 1 Title. UConn during the same span has played in 1 less final 4 and won 5 Titles.
He was even unable to get there with Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe. Face it the dude just sucks at coaching and is glorified AAU man. Someone (Mitch) probably should have done a deeper dive before selling him UK's Soul.
His record is about as impressive as the Buffulo Bills
11 Elite 8 > 6 Final 4 > 3 Championship games > 1 NCAA championship (seems like an HOF coach should have a better record)
The fact that he has had so much talent and only one title is proof of his ineptitude.
He has been to 6 final fours (4 UK, 1 Mempis, 1 UMASS) and won only 1 Title. UConn during the same span has played in 1 less final 4 and won 5 Titles.
He was even unable to get there with Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe. Face it the dude just sucks at coaching and is glorified AAU man. Someone (Mitch) probably should have done a deeper dive before selling him UK's Soul.
His record is about as impressive as the Buffulo Bills
11 Elite 8 > 6 Final 4 > 3 Championship games > 1 NCAA championship (seems like an HOF coach should have a better record)
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Barnhart gave Calipari a lifetime contract. If he said our season was unacceptable nowadays, he’s drawing attention to how STUPID he was for doing that.
