This class may not out rank UL's class
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We are currently at #35 and they are #31. So the two classes are very close. We would be tied or ahead of them had they not accepted the 4 star thug/scum who beat his girlfriend and threatened to shoot her. More trash on Bobby's team and I can't wait for it to blow up in UL's face again.
just to play devil's advocate, isn't that a major problem for us? We don't have Art Briles, Mike Gundy, Gary Patterson, Paul Johnson, Bobby Petrino, Dana Holgerson, or Rich Rodriguez to coach our guys up. Every single one of those guys has taken a team to a BCS game.
We don't know what we have.
Our coach has been going into every game with less talent than the opposition. How much can you really expect?
Until our talent is on par with those teams I mentioned, we don't know what kind of coach we have. To get that type of talent, we have to consistently recruit that type of talent, and land that type of talent. Our last three classes average about #28 or so.
The talent is coming, sooner rather than later. So we will find out what kind of coach we have, sooner rather than later.
All of those coaches have been able to build a strong base, foundation ....Strong left Petrino a very good talented team
Coach Stoops is building a strong base and will continue to do so.
I applaud you, you conveyed the message that I've been trying to put out for a week now.
This is widely considered by Lulzville fans to be their best recruiting class, and considering the distance between us and them right now, in this recruiting class, I'm fine and dandy with that. All of their players are evaluated as well, we still have a few that have yet to be rated, and we know some are very good.
That said, we've been pulling good classes for the past couple of years, and we had the best in school history last season. All of those players will see the field this season, so that's good news.
We're recruiting with schools like Baylor, Nebraska, TCU, Georgia Tech, Arizona, West Virginia, all of which are schools that could do somewhere between well, and very well in the SEC. We struck gold last season in a running back named Stanley "Boom" Williams, who I figure Dawson will love to utilize, we're getting a ton of huge receivers, and fielding some that red-shirted. Our line and QB will have experience, and our new OC turned an average QB into a Heisman candidate up until Trickett got a concussion.
We have a ton of experience coming back on both sides of the ball (7 starters on each side), and if Courtney Love gets his hardship waiver, suddenly our defense is looking like something stout.
We're adding talented, athletic depth in the secondary, where we were in ~top 10 pass defense efficiency in the country for most of the season, and had a couple of bad games, I expect all that to be fixed up since our very inexperienced secondary now each has a year under their belt. We'll be fielding players from our best recruiting class who will be stronger, and in better condition to play football games in the SEC.
All of our DT's have a solid year under their belts, as will the linebacker corps, which is just what we needed.
The big question is how will we do at the DE position, and we've recruited some real studs that Bud and the coaches have even raved about, and have had the opportunity to learn under one of the best defensive ends to put on the Kentucky uniform.
It's a good time to be a Wildcat fan. Savor in it.
THIS ^^^. At first blush it looks like both schools did well. Naturally some disappointments on each side and different strengths on each side. But I would have to say pretty comparable classes overall. 21 LOIs in for UK right now; same for the Cards who are still waiting out 3 pretty important "commits". Does that wind it up for UK?
Peace
Yes, that is it for us although the 21 does not count two transfers from Nebraska. One (who was four star rated by some services) may start for us next year at MLB if he is granted a hardship waiver. The other was a three star TE which is a position of need.
This post was edited on 2/4 10:35 AM by DSmith21
Where are all the SEC teams in those rankings? I don't see any USMC. UL is irrelevant to UK's success, and the others you listed sure as hell are.
I don't know how old you are but you do realize Petrino built UL into a national brand 10 years ago right? He took them to the BCS game in 06 and was one fluky loss to Rutgers away from having freaking bummy city college UL in the National Championship game. Also none of those coaches had any kind of great talent or foundation when they started winning huge at their programs or when they went to the BCS. I'm not saying any of this to knock Stoops just saying what I've said before, there are 2 ways to win at college football recruit incredible and be a decent to good coach or be a great coach and recruit decent to good. Stoops nor anyone else will never be able to recruit great at UK so he has to recruit like he has been the last 3 years and turn out to be a great coach. Rich Brooks is the only truly great coach we've had in the last 30 years and he had teams win 7-8 games and they choked a couple in their 2 really good seasons or they would of had 9-10 win seasons. That's what we need Stoops and Co. to be.
Born and raised in Louisville 55 yrs old so yes I know a little about what Petrino has done....been following UK since the 60's as a kid so understand the frustrations. I would include Claiborne in with Brooks....have closely watched Gundy, Patterson and Briles considering I live where I do and they took time to build great teams but it took some time. Stoops is getting there.
Those 2 things are important, but the most important thing by far is schedule. Petrino was 17-15 in the SEC at Arkansas. If he hadn't played the schedule he was gifted, would he have had UofL within a game of the title? I'm skeptical. (Also, an aside, one appearance in a BCS game doesn't make a school a "national brand" - that takes decades of results, IMO.)
The schedule thing just underscores your point, though - Stoops has his work cut out for him.....
None of the coaches above had to build a winner in the SEC, Coach Stoops does. That's why he'll need to totally overturn the roster Joker Phillips left him. It's going to take 4 classes to see the turn around we all want. I am confident that starting this season we will see a huge difference.
6 wins in 2015 has got to be the minimum. I feel confident we will go to a bowl and the progression will continue.
Means nothing until we beat them on the field. Rather win the final score than recruiting rankings.
Whats more remarkable is that UofL has had some great on field success the last four years and have a marquee coach but yet they can only pull in a top 40 class.
Holgerson had never been a head coach before and in year 1 took his team to a BCS game, won it, and dropped 70 on Clemson. Not the point though, you can't really use experience as a cane as we could of hired Petrino or Rich Rod. As I said none of this is to knock Stoops in any way, i just want results on the field. I'm not saying he can't do it either, just that I saw Ron Zook recruit at level 100x times what Stoops could ever do and his teams be doo doo cause he cant' coach. Same could be said for Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, Ed Oregeron, Brady Hoke, etc... Paper champs can only get so far. Honestly though I won't even judge Stoops on this year, he could go 5-7 and still have a better season than last year it's 2 years from year 4 he better show some serious on field results.
They supplement their class with cast off 4 stars that get kicked out of other schools. We don't do that. They also take people who beat women and church it up as a second chance. Bottomline, both classes have 4-5 players that are high quality the rest will need RS and time to develop.
Lots of factors to consider in comparing these two classes. And yes, since we play them every year it is very relevant to beat them on the field, the difference in a bowl game and a disappointing end to last years season.
First of all in the ratings department I consider the "star" ratings MUCH less accurate than the numerical ratings that Rivals uses, since the "star" rating is divided into three numerical steps it makes sense to me that the numerical system should be (and is) much more accurate. I would MUCH rather have a class of three stars that were all 5.7s than one that was all 5.5s, one a great class IMO and one a poor class, both rated three stars.
In this case, thanks to signing another criminal four star and getting another late four star and us taking a couple of late two stars (our first) they climbed into a tie with us there, both classes with a 3.0 star rating. In the more accurate numerical rating it is very close now where we had a big advantage before we added about three VERY underrated 5.5s and our first two two stars at need positions, not just two stars but a 5.2 (think Locke, Lindley, Neloms, etc, hopefully) and a 5.3 (Trevathan, etc, hopefully) so our numerical rating took a big hit, while theirs climbed. We still have a very slight edge there though at a 5.586 to a 5.584 for them, LOL. But I trust our staffs ability to evaluate overlooked talent, very much proven in their short stay here IMO, and verified by other elite programs trying to steal our talent.
Two other big factors for next year (and very few of the true freshmen will make a big impact, even if they have great futures, great job of redshirting so far) is that while I don't know what redshirts UL is having join their team this year I have heard we have SEVENTEEN from our best class ever, including four of our 10 four stars. A very important factor in us improving our very important win total and bowl eligibility, IMO.
The second big factor is UL signing seven JCs, a sign of poor recruiting that you are trying to make up for IMO, while UK ended up signing only two JCs.
Now is the time when we find out what we have with these coaches, and I still maintain their reputation when they came here was based on their coaching ability, their recruiting ability (thanks to Stoops plan AND the huge upgrades and change in attitude, which some on here are constantly trying to undermine, anyone that expected Stoops to turn a two win team into a winner in two years IN THE SEC is foolish) was (and is) a huge bonus to me, a step back from last year but still a VERY good class for UK IMO, with some lower rated commits I trust the coaches on. Trust that has been earned, IMO
This slide in this recruiting class from the great class last year will be pretty irrelevant if we have a good year and go bowling with a great start on the 16 class already and a better class to choose from, especially in state. With two four stars on the OL committed already and some HIGHLY rated OL interested the all important OL position could be awesome. And I expect steady improvement with the talent we already have redshirted and coming in this year, a lot of emphasis on the OL AND in redshirting them.
Tough road in the SEC, but putting UL in their proper place is important, and with FSU and Clemson recruiting on an SEC level and other programs ahead of them in the ACC in recruiting when we also start beating them their gaudy records and conference championships (already gone) will be a thing of the past.
The fact that we are even close to them in recruiting, let alone the huge gap last year considering the records the past few years is still amazing.
First of all in the ratings department I consider the "star" ratings MUCH less accurate than the numerical ratings that Rivals uses, since the "star" rating is divided into three numerical steps it makes sense to me that the numerical system should be (and is) much more accurate. I would MUCH rather have a class of three stars that were all 5.7s than one that was all 5.5s, one a great class IMO and one a poor class, both rated three stars.
In this case, thanks to signing another criminal four star and getting another late four star and us taking a couple of late two stars (our first) they climbed into a tie with us there, both classes with a 3.0 star rating. In the more accurate numerical rating it is very close now where we had a big advantage before we added about three VERY underrated 5.5s and our first two two stars at need positions, not just two stars but a 5.2 (think Locke, Lindley, Neloms, etc, hopefully) and a 5.3 (Trevathan, etc, hopefully) so our numerical rating took a big hit, while theirs climbed. We still have a very slight edge there though at a 5.586 to a 5.584 for them, LOL. But I trust our staffs ability to evaluate overlooked talent, very much proven in their short stay here IMO, and verified by other elite programs trying to steal our talent.
Two other big factors for next year (and very few of the true freshmen will make a big impact, even if they have great futures, great job of redshirting so far) is that while I don't know what redshirts UL is having join their team this year I have heard we have SEVENTEEN from our best class ever, including four of our 10 four stars. A very important factor in us improving our very important win total and bowl eligibility, IMO.
The second big factor is UL signing seven JCs, a sign of poor recruiting that you are trying to make up for IMO, while UK ended up signing only two JCs.
Now is the time when we find out what we have with these coaches, and I still maintain their reputation when they came here was based on their coaching ability, their recruiting ability (thanks to Stoops plan AND the huge upgrades and change in attitude, which some on here are constantly trying to undermine, anyone that expected Stoops to turn a two win team into a winner in two years IN THE SEC is foolish) was (and is) a huge bonus to me, a step back from last year but still a VERY good class for UK IMO, with some lower rated commits I trust the coaches on. Trust that has been earned, IMO
This slide in this recruiting class from the great class last year will be pretty irrelevant if we have a good year and go bowling with a great start on the 16 class already and a better class to choose from, especially in state. With two four stars on the OL committed already and some HIGHLY rated OL interested the all important OL position could be awesome. And I expect steady improvement with the talent we already have redshirted and coming in this year, a lot of emphasis on the OL AND in redshirting them.
Tough road in the SEC, but putting UL in their proper place is important, and with FSU and Clemson recruiting on an SEC level and other programs ahead of them in the ACC in recruiting when we also start beating them their gaudy records and conference championships (already gone) will be a thing of the past.
The fact that we are even close to them in recruiting, let alone the huge gap last year considering the records the past few years is still amazing.
Looks like we are now tied with NC State at 33rd. Only 4 spots behind Stoops' first class when our fans were over the moon with excitement.
I think all in all, this class fills some needs (DBs, and DL) and many of the signees will likely be redshirted, with exception to CJ Conrad, maybe GAA, and possibly with exception to some of the WRs and the RB.
Let's win some games this fall and load up on LBs, OL, DL, RBs, and a great QB for 2016.
I think all in all, this class fills some needs (DBs, and DL) and many of the signees will likely be redshirted, with exception to CJ Conrad, maybe GAA, and possibly with exception to some of the WRs and the RB.
Let's win some games this fall and load up on LBs, OL, DL, RBs, and a great QB for 2016.
that is such a myth, year after year Alabama signs the #1 class and year after year they have multiple juco's, so do tons of other big time programs. Z'Darius Smith, Stevie Johnson, Charles Matthews, AJ Stamps(our best DB), Javess Blue(our best WR), all were juco's.
Miriacle7s.......I know you knew that wasn't meant to insult.
Look you and I want the samething but you were quoting what jauk was pointing out about so many JCs in same class
Look you and I want the samething but you were quoting what jauk was pointing out about so many JCs in same class
Jauk you will try to spin anything to give uk the upper hand over Louisville when it comes to football and what exactly do you mean by putting Louisville in its place?
Actually the JCs quoted as enrolling at UK just goes to prove my point, we took three of them in Stoops first year, and do you want to argue that we didn't need them because of the bad recruiting the previous few years?
And we took two this year because of misses in previous classes also, and also one was one of our best recruits previously, just had to go the JC route.
And we took two this year because of misses in previous classes also, and also one was one of our best recruits previously, just had to go the JC route.
Quit burying your head in the sand and accepting the idea that the SEC is some unstoppable monster when you don't have top 20 classes every year, because it is not true.
It. Is. Not. True.
It. Is. Not. True.
Last season, I would bet my house that TCU (who historically gets worse recruiting classes than us) would blister 90% of the SEC.
The one team that could beat TCU? Baylor, who gets similar recruits to us. Who beat Baylor during the season? West Virginia, who gets worse recruits than us, and plus, now we have their OC. Not to mention the struggle that Alabama had against them.
Wisconsin beat Auburn, at look at the recruits that Wisconsin gets, and has been getting.
Fact of the matter is, you do not need top 20 recruiting classes every year to compete in the SEC. Other teams do a lot more with a lot less. A lot of teams do a lot less with a lot more as well, I mean, look at Miami for example. The recruiting classes that they get, and they barely pan out in the ACC.
Development, and playcalling is huge, and we'll see how our coaches do in that regard. I'm confident in the ability of our staff. Dawson has built up an average QB in Clint Trickett, and turned him into a Heisman candidate up until Trickett got his final concussion.
We'll see what our best recruits, our new, up-tempo offense, our likely preseason All-SEC QB, our uber talented RB, and talented, quick, big receivers, our experienced, bigger, stronger offense and defense can all do. We have the pieces, lets produce.
UK runs a good program, one that does the best it can to run a clean program and the most important issue is they don't take castoffs from other teams. I am not saying Louisville cheats, don't know and don't care who they recruit, we very seldom go after the same player. But Louisville is a haven for kids who are dismissed from a team or decide they want to move on from their first school. The last couple of years they had Michael Dyer, a former MVP in national championship game, former 5* recruit, this coming year they will have 2 of UGA's ex players 1 a former 5* and the other a 4*, next year they will have the kid from TCU or whenever he is eligible. None of those guys were counted in their recruiting class, but all of them were proven contributors before they got there. As long as they continue to take castoffs from other schools who don't count towards their recruiting rankings they will play better than their recruiting rankings say they should. Its a cop out, don't have to recruit HS kids hard, just read the papers and see who is transferring or who has been dismissed, recruit from the office.
