The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[hmt5000]

As a side bar, watching how drones are being used in this war, I believe freedom has never before been at the tipping point it is right now. It does not take make imagination to see a very bleak future.

I watched a podcast on Shawn Ryan show with a tech genius... Drones might actually be obsolete by the time this war ends. Microwave and laser defense are already in the pipeline. The microwave stuff that dude was talking about could zap everything in radius... lasers seemed a little further behind.

 

[hmt5000]

It was a fact till Vance butted in.

It wasn't a debate and negotiation. Zelensky came there to sign a deal. He reneged twice on US officials. After closed door talks they went to do a press conference and then sign the papers....Zelensky decided to use that moment to try to upstage, disrespect and renegotiate... Of course you'd take Z's side.

 

[Farmy75]

I watched a podcast on Shawn Ryan show with a tech genius... Drones might actually be obsolete by the time this war ends. Microwave and laser defense are already in the pipeline. The microwave stuff that dude was talking about could zap everything in radius... lasers seemed a little further behind.

Biggest challenge on those is the power source.
Should help with defending our bases and FOBs.
In a sustained war power is at a premium in the foxholes.

It has been really interesting the follow the mouse and mouse trap game with drones in the war.

 

[hmt5000]

Thats a great point and probably true. These things were either worthless or just unknowns until just recently.

I saw where some coal mines in south east KY had high levels of RE minerals. The closed down mines were being tested back in like 2018 or so. Haven't heard anything about what they found. I've also heard that ocean floor mining is going to get real good real quick. Mining vents on the ocean floor are supposedly going to be fairly high hit rate for profitability.

 

[hmt5000]

Let me know when you've signed up for the border patrol, and i'll enlist.

So you admit you're a democrat? cool. Also... You don't see the difference between a tax payer wanting their countries border defended and you taking my tax dollars to defend a different border? Not a joke... How old are you? Not trying to be mean but just honestly curious.

 

[hmt5000]

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Awesome but Russia has been producing these as fast as they can and I believe they've only used 2.... You keep escalating little fella. You are going to end up leaving Ukraine as a failed state. No industry... no ports... no future... but hey... you got to get someone else to kill some Russians.

 

[hmt5000]

its sad it's happening, but draft dodgers are gonna get scooped up in a war for a nations survival.
Bone spurs or not you contribute.

So you are for the draft? Forced conscription? NOICE!!!!

 

[hmt5000]

They’ve cracked down on that hard, I’m sure it still happening some.
It’s not excusable, but it’s understandable for a country fighting for its survival.

Understandable unless it's you... and your wife and her bf's kid.... Then it's not.

 

[Bill Cosby]

They’ve cracked down on that hard, I’m sure it still happening some.
It’s not excusable, but it’s understandable for a country fighting for its survival.

We must save democracy by canceling elections and forcing people who oppose the war to die on the front lines.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

They’ve cracked down on that hard, I’m sure it still happening some.
It’s not excusable, but it’s understandable for a country fighting for its survival.

It’s both inexcusable and understandable? Yeah, I think you are trying too hard. You yourself compared it to Russian behavior, and for good reason. It’s dictatorial. Note that the big thugs yanking boys and men away from their families are not on the front line. People have tried hard to hide and ignore the ugliness in Ukraine so that there would be more support. There is a good reason Ukraine was not yet in NATO.

 

[SDC888]

Can't ever join NATO for a more fundamental reason, namely, no country can join NATO with an active territorial dispute.

... so you need a war to "fix" that.

Can't ever join the EU either for that matter; they are too intrinsically corrupt, could never make the necessary reforms. (you need a war to fix that too)

Nothing could be further from the truth, that they are fighting to "save" their country: they are fighting for their oligarchs and other monied interests, and are being used by Europe and us as a sacrificial pawn to disrupt and weaken a geopolitical adversary that poses no real threat to our way of life instead of us using them against an adversary that does in China.

 

[SDC888]

And since you guys like to analogize to Hitler and WW2, since that's the only history people "know," the right analogy is precisely just that.
We wisely and skillfully used them, in spite of them being an evil totalitarian empire under Stalin, to defeat the other evil totalitarian empire under Hitler that was actually going to take over the world.

 

[wkycatfan]

They're liberals. They can't think critically.

Why is it a political issue on them not having an issue with men playing women's sports, or transgenders in women's locker rooms? See above answer.

Honestly it became political way before Trump was elected. Putin isn't a good guy, I think Zelensky started out trying to defend his country, and still is, but also figured out he could rich at the same time. Who knows to what degree Biden, etc were also getting rich. I'm trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt here, that is this just Art of the Deal stuff, but he seems to have a blind spot for Putin.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

It has been really interesting the follow the mouse and mouse trap game with drones in the war.

Oh so “interesting.” 😞

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So you admit you're a democrat? cool. Also... You don't see the difference between a tax payer wanting their countries border defended and you taking my tax dollars to defend a different border? Not a joke... How old are you? Not trying to be mean but just honestly curious.

He will double down on all the dumb things he says.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Honestly it became political way before Trump was elected. Putin isn't a good guy, I think Zelensky started out trying to defend his country, and still is, but also figured out he could rich at the same time. Who knows to what degree Biden, etc were also getting rich. I'm trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt here, that is this just Art of the Deal stuff, but he seems to have a blind spot for Putin.

Z was always an installed president. So his intention was always self enrichment, at least to some degree.

We know he was installed because the US organized a coup to push out the president two admins prior and installed their guy. If z wasnt their guy, hed be gone.

Pro Ukraine people in this thread just keep conveniently ignoring the absolute fact that our cia ran Ukraine for years.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Z was always an installed president. So his intention was always self enrichment, at least to some degree.

We know he was installed because the US organized a coup to push out the president two admins prior and installed their guy. If z wasnt their guy, hed be gone.

Pro Ukraine people in this thread just keep conveniently ignoring the absolute fact that our cia ran Ukraine for years.

No no no. It’s Trump with the blind spot. Not everyone who doesn’t have any clue what happened prior to 2022.

Someone should let Trump know about Russia and Putin. Really been flying below the radar. Might be time someone brings up Russia to Trump.

 

[vhcat70]

It wasn't a debate and negotiation. Zelensky came there to sign a deal. He reneged twice on US officials. After closed door talks they went to do a press conference and then sign the papers....Zelensky decided to use that moment to try to upstage, disrespect and renegotiate... Of course you'd take Z's side.

So you're pickin & choosin which of my posts to read now? I don't believe you ever put me on ignore as you claimed. YSFOS.

As for debate & negotiation, I never said it was - another example of your BS. Z & T were having a 1-on-1 talk with the rest listening. Vance absolutely butted in, overstepping his bounds & diminishing Trump. Trump is our president, not Vance. Why was that a good thing?

Has nothing to do with picking sides.

Now go back in your hole.

 

[vhcat70]

So you are for the draft? Forced conscription? NOICE!!!!

So you think our drafts for WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam were wrong?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So you're pickin & choosin which of my posts to read now? I don't believe you ever put me on ignore as you claimed. YSFOS.

As for debate & negotiation, I never said it was - another example of your BS. Z & T were having a 1-on-1 talk with the rest listening. Vance absolutely butted in, overstepping his bounds & diminishing Trump. Trump is our president, not Vance. Why was that a good thing?

Has nothing to do with picking sides.

Now go back in your hole.

This is such a goofy rabbit hole and solely premised upon TDS and the desire to troll. If Trump has a problem with Vance speaking up, let Trump tell him. Yeesh!

 

[Caveman Catfan]

So you think our drafts for WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam were wrong?

Are you arguing that Ukraine is behaving well by using thugs to snatch men off the streets and send them to the front without sufficient training if they cannot muster up enough cash to bypass the morgue? Is that your curmudgeon take for today?

 

[Bill Cosby]

This is such a goofy rabbit hole and solely premised upon TDS and the desire to troll. If Trump has a problem with Vance speaking up, let Trump tell him. Yeesh!

You may not have noticed, but Trump is very meek and doesn’t like to talk over people he think are out of line. Vance should know Trump doesn’t like interrupting people or talking down to them when he feels they’re out of line, so he should have sat their quietly until granted permission to talk.

Trump definitely hadn’t seen the skills Vance has exhibited in debates and verbal confrontation, and definitely wasn’t sitting back willingly while his highly skilled hand picked attack dog took down the opposition waiting for the exact right time to jump in with an over the top haymaker.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

You may not have noticed, but Trump is very meek and doesn’t like to talk over people he think are out of line. Vance should know Trump doesn’t like interrupting people or talking down to them when he feels they’re out of line, so he should have sat their quietly until granted permission to talk.

Trump definitely hadn’t seen the skills Vance has exhibited in debates and verbal confrontation, and definitely wasn’t sitting back willingly while his highly skilled hand picked attack dog took down the opposition waiting for the exact right time to jump in with an over the top haymaker.

He also would never have Vance and Rubio taking lead on the negotiations with Zelensky.

 

[vhcat70]

Are you arguing that Ukraine is behaving well by using thugs to snatch men off the streets and send them to the front without sufficient training if they cannot muster up enough cash to bypass the morgue? Is that your curmudgeon take for today?

Penalizing them for not honoring the draft - yes. Into fight with no training - no. Don't know about the cash. It's what happened in our Civil War. Maybe cash is worth more to the fight than the body.

 

[vhcat70]

You may not have noticed, but Trump is very meek and doesn’t like to talk over people he think are out of line. Vance should know Trump doesn’t like interrupting people or talking down to them when he feels they’re out of line, so he should have sat their quietly until granted permission to talk.

Trump definitely hadn’t seen the skills Vance has exhibited in debates and verbal confrontation, and definitely wasn’t sitting back willingly while his highly skilled hand picked attack dog took down the opposition waiting for the exact right time to jump in with an over the top haymaker.

I.e., 2 on 1 is great.

 

[Bill Cosby]

I.e., 2 on 1 is great.

Yes, I think it’s good when the parents present a United front when disciplining a dependent.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Penalizing them for not honoring the draft - yes. Into fight with no training - no. Don't know about the cash. It's what happened in our Civil War. Maybe cash is worth more to the fight than the body.

We are not talking hypotheticals. You’ve seen the video. Right? 🤦‍♂️

My gosh, talk about being a puppet.

 

[vhcat70]

This is such a goofy rabbit hole and solely premised upon TDS and the desire to troll. If Trump has a problem with Vance speaking up, let Trump tell him. Yeesh!

How do you know Trump didn't tell him afterwards? What's your definition of TDS? Gets used here ad nauseum towards a person that's voted for Trump 3X. It's only a rabbit hole b/c you called it such. I.e., you know DS about rabbit holes. Last, it's funny that you need to respond for your buddy 5000 who apparently is so incapable.

 

[vhcat70]

He also would never have Vance and Rubio taking lead on the negotiations with Zelensky.

What's that got to do with Vance speaking over my president w/o asking?

 

[vhcat70]

We are not talking hypotheticals.

My gosh, talk about being a puppet.

The hypotheticals start with "Are you arguing".

Got any more name-calling for me today? Seems to be your specialty since your intelligence is so superior in your own mind.

 

[vhcat70]

Yes, I think it’s good when the parents present a United front when disciplining a dependent.

Or when you a have a superiority complex. I mean there's no denying that.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Or when you a have a superiority complex. I mean there's no denying that.

Yeah. Definitely a “superiority complex” in a parent/child or US/Ukraine relationship.

The fact you neocons try and present us as equals is mind boggling.

Ukraine is a dependent who can make decisions if they’re the decisions we allow them to make same as my toddler son.

There is no superiority complex. There is superiority.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

How do you know Trump didn't tell him afterwards? What's your definition of TDS? Gets used here ad nauseum towards a person that's voted for Trump 3X. It's only a rabbit hole b/c you called it such. I.e., you know DS about rabbit holes. Last, it's funny that you need to respond for your buddy 5000 who apparently is so incapable.

First TDS: everything becomes about being critical of the Trump administration, which includes avoiding criticism of Zelensky and acting like the problem here was just someone in the administration undercutting and embarrassing Trump.

Second, if Trump told him afterwards, who gives a fock? Seriously, this is a red herring created to avoid the substance.

Third, you say something stupid and I am free to point it out. Live with that.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

What's that got to do with Vance speaking over my president w/o asking?

🤪

It might mean Trump delegates while being in control. Apparently, he trusts Vance and Rubio.

But, we can all wonder if he is questioning what vhcat thought about Vance speaking in the meeting. I am sure his people are scouting this site to find out.

 

[Farmy75]

Assuming it’s genuine, and I’m taking at face value that it is.

Trump is realizing that Putin will push against any perceived weakness.

Need wildcard Trump to show up and that he’s willing to roll everything back on the intelligence and ramp up support if Putin doesn’t get serious about peace.

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/07/trump-tariffs-russia-ukraine-war-cease-fire-deal

 

[JumperJack]

Yeah, take the poor people and stick them on the front line without much training, UNLESS they can find a way to buy their way out. Sounds completely understandable.

It’s an admission that the war, any war, is over. When it’s just cannon fodder to buy time in hopes of a miracle (there’s not going to be one)….well, just a sad waste of life and money.

 

[vhcat70]

First TDS: everything becomes about being critical of the Trump administration, which includes avoiding criticism of Zelensky and acting like the problem here was just someone in the administration undercutting and embarrassing Trump.

First I'm not critical of everything of the Trump Admin. So TDS can mean anything to you & is thus irrelevant to the world.

Why is it incumbent on me to criticize Z? So many others here do. What should I add that's not redundant? I'm just concerned with my government, not Ukraine's.

Second, if Trump told him afterwards, who gives a fock? Seriously, this is a red herring created to avoid the substance.

You brought up Trump telling Vance anything. Yet you jump down my throat. Serious problem you have there.

Third, you say something stupid and I am free to point it out. Live with that.

Nah. Not living with it. Long forgotten after this post.

 

[bcw1029]

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What’s that got to do with the U.S?

Just a geopolitical observation bud - sorry you feel it’s not worth noting because of ‘Merica.

 

[RunninRichie]

Can't ever join NATO for a more fundamental reason, namely, no country can join NATO with an active territorial dispute.

... so you need a war to "fix" that.

Can't ever join the EU either for that matter; they are too intrinsically corrupt, could never make the necessary reforms. (you need a war to fix that too)

Nothing could be further from the truth, that they are fighting to "save" their country: they are fighting for their oligarchs and other monied interests, and are being used by Europe and us as a sacrificial pawn to disrupt and weaken a geopolitical adversary that poses no real threat to our way of life instead of us using them against an adversary that does in China.

Signed, the baltics.

 

[SDC888]

Signed, the baltics.

Sure... you people, who don't even understand your own country, will aptly explain Europe.

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular Nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded; and that in place of them just & amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one Nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate envenomed and bloody contests. The Nation, prompted by ill will & resentment sometimes impels to War the Government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The Government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition and other sinister & pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the Liberty, of Nations has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favourite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels & Wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification: It leads also to concessions to the favourite Nation of priviledges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions—by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained—& by exciting jealousy, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom eql priviledges are withheld: And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favourite Nation) facility to betray, or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great & powerful Nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real Patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favourite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause & confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.