The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[NociHTTP]

Thats a curious moral compass. You realize usaid orchestrated a coup in Ukraine and installed a friendly leader. Zelinski is still in power, so that tells you hes just a usaid/cia puppet

Usaid bought 90% of the Ukraine media. Paid millions to "influencers" to drive friendly opinion.

So if you think thats doing "nothing wrong", id hate to see what else you find acceptable.

He's not a usaid (whatever the hell that is) / cia puppet. There was no "coup" installed in Ukraine.
You super paranoid. I guess years of Art Bell / Twilight Zone did you in. My "moral compass" is very strong.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

He's not a usaid (whatever the hell that is) / cia puppet. There was no "coup" installed in Ukraine.
You super paranoid. I guess years of Art Bell / Twilight Zone did you in. My "moral compass" is very strong.

You do realize this is all out in the open? It isnt even theory or guesswork. Its literally facts and both the paper and money trail are all public.

Pretending it isnt is akin to being a flat earther.

 

[SDC8888]

The Western orchestrated coup installed the presidents before Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy was "elected" democratically to bring unity among all Ukrainian people by ending corruption and war after playing the role on a TV show. His party was renamed Servant of the People after the show and his fictional role in it.

The country was literally brainwashed by an Oligarch, other nationalist interests, to vote for a comedian "servant of the people" who campaigned on ending the war in the Donbas peacefully, only to renege on those campaign promises once other interest$ and hard-line nationalists told him no.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Some people? I'd say all but a few idiots. Emotional advantage over Russia is senseless nonsense I've only ever heard from you now on here.

A bigger man would admit that their motivation for not supporting Ukraine was all money, not lives, since they're now willing to risk lives to get profit.

Yeah, Bub. You go with that if it makes you feel better. You probably need it. You try so hard.

 

[Farmy75]

 

[hmt5000]

So Putin wants new elections in Ukraine. What a shock. We're back to the original problem. Either Putin will slowly absorb all of Ukraine, something a lot of you couldn't care less about, or he'll install another puppet so he can pretend to the world that Ukraine is a sovereign country.

Zelensky is polling under 20% in Western polls. Zalushney, the guy Zelensky fired, is polling close to 30%....

 

[hmt5000]

So Russia gets land, a ton of natural resources and a promise that Ukraine won't join NATO (after already gutting their nuclear capabilities last time) and Ukraine gets to hand over the remaining 50% of it's minerals to the US, still be extremely susceptible to attack and not participate in the negotiations. No wonder Zelensky said no.

I wish Trump would have sent the Art of the Deal ghost writer instead.

Ukraine sent the black ledger to the fbi during the MuhRussia hoax. It was so fake that the fbi didn't even consider it after initial review. Ukraine was actually worried Trump would hold it against them after he won but were shocked he treated them better than Obama had. Then they stabbed him in the back again by sending people to the US to campaign for Harris during an election which was "a foreign government interfering in our election"..... Trump had every right to make them bend a knee. How many times do you let a 3rd rate corrupt oligarchy try to play you?

 

[hmt5000]

You're missing my point. It's a great deal for the US and Russia but a deal Ukraine doesn't have to take.

The EU is going to have to finally get off its ass. Assuming they can help support Ukraine in the absence of the US, this thing will just continue to drag out until Russia wins or quits.

So, no, taking this deal isn't the guaranteed outcome everyone thought it would be.

When the Saudis are questioning why a non party is negotiating peace without one of the participants, you know something is wrong.

LOL.