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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

Posted by The Hack, on Page 144 of the original Ukraine thread, April 7, 2022:


"We can’t shoot a hypersonic down . . . yet . . . and that might be the main reason we are developing our own.

I give it 5 years."

I missed a little . . . it took almost 3 years:

 

TRUCE AND CONSEQUENCES​

The only way to bring Russia into serious negotiations, or to compel it to halt its aggression and accept a de facto cease-fire, would be to present it with severe consequences for continuing the war. Washington has several points of leverage. It can tighten and better enforce sanctions, putting acute pressure on a Russian economy that, despite the Kremlin’s efforts to promote an image of stability, is already under severe strain, with an estimated 40 percent of public spending going to the war.
Farmy75, actually the Russian economy seems to be thriving with Central Bank interest rates being as low as 21 percent.
That's higher than the brief 20 percent peak in March, 2022, a month after Russia invaded Ukraine.


Hell, Putin and the Ruskies could do better by hitting the Jersey Shore and borrowing from Vito and friends!!!
 
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Just another attack on civilians in this war killing 9 children. At this point it doesn't appear to me that any president could bring peace to the region as long as Putin is still in power.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/04/americas/ukraine-strike-zelensky-russia-latam-intl/index.html

Its definitely going to be tough but not for the reasons you're suggesting.

The cia shadow government is doing anything and everything to get putin out so they can get a more friendly Russian leader in place.

So until that happens, the cia shadow government pressure wont stop, which means this conflict wont stop.
 
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Putin is not interested in peace until he has all of Ukraine whether that be by invasion or installing a new puppet as president. It has been this way from the beginning.
You deal with Russia through strength, they constantly take and take any leeway given.
Turkey dealt with it best when they immediately shot down a mig penetrating their airspace from Syria,
And Russia never did a thing about it and immediately changed their posturing to other areas.

The west should be providing increasing level of lethality in the weapons packages, until Russia feels like they can’t continue to grind out incremental territory without further damage to their economy they will keep on.
 
You deal with Russia through strength, they constantly take and take any leeway given.
Turkey dealt with it best when they immediately shot down a mig penetrating their airspace from Syria,
And Russia never did a thing about it and immediately changed their posturing to other areas.

The west should be providing increasing level of lethality in the weapons packages, until Russia feels like they can’t continue to grind out incremental territory without further damage to their economy they will keep on.
Pretty much
 
Its definitely going to be tough but not for the reasons you're suggesting.

The cia shadow government is doing anything and everything to get putin out so they can get a more friendly Russian leader in place.

So until that happens, the cia shadow government pressure wont stop, which means this conflict wont stop.
I disagree, Biden walked a fine line in support of Ukraine but short of damaging enough of the Russian economy through sanctions to actually impact the support of Putin from the big money.
The “shadow govt” isn’t doing near as much as you think.
And will be doing even less with Trump admin rolling back the asymmetric warfare pressure.
 
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Statements of the US Supreme Allied Commander & Commander of US Troops in Europe to Congress
Annual hearing in the House Armed Services Committee + questions from the committee.
4-star General Christopher G. Cavoli - Commander of US troops in Europe and Supreme Allied Commander. 38 years in the US army. Served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

INTRODUCTION: ruzzias war in Ukraine, now in its fourth year, has revealed ruzzia to be a chronic threat and we see in the future it will be a growing threat. One that is willing to use military force to achieve its geopolitical goals. ruzzia is today actively waging a campaign of destabilization across Europe and beyond.

IS RUZZIAS ARMY STRONG? Overall, the quality of their forces, especially their ground forces, has been decreasing throughout the war. On the Ukrainian side we see sort of the oposite. We see a military that started, pretty much from a cold start and they've evolved and developed very very quickly. We have learned a lot from watching both sides.

QUESTION: The ruzzians are nowhere near being able to make a big push right now?
Answer: That is my assesment, Chairman.

ARE THE UKRAINIANS DESTINED TO LOSE?
Answer: No, Senator. Thank you for the question, because I think it's an important one. The Ukrainians are in very strong defensive positions right now and are improving weekly their ability to generate force and to reinforce those positions. It is very hard to invesion Ukraine collapsing and losing that conflict. I do not think there's an inevitability to a Ukrainian loss.

ARE UKRAINE WINNING? Is Ukraine from this time last year (until today) winning this war against ruzzia?
Answer: They are in a much better position not to lose it, Senator Tuberville.
Question: They are trying to win, right?
Answer: They are trying to win. They wanna start, by making sure ruzzia doesn't win.

WILL A PEACE DEAL HOLD? Do you believe, that if any sort of deal was made with Putin, that he'd be done with invading neighboring countries and adventurism in Europe?
Answer: I do not, ma'am. My professional assessment, built on years of study (38 years in the army),that this is part of a broader pattern in ruzzian history and certainly in current ruzzian activity. That is my professional assessment of the threat.

SHOULD USA SUPPORT UKRAINE? You previously stated, that supporting Ukraine is vital for American security. Can you confirm, that you still believe that is correct?
Answer: I do believe that. Yes Ma'am.

IS MILITARY AID BEING ABUSED? We've heard from critics of the military aid, that there are significant numbers of weapons stolen or missing. I believe, we are tracking down to virtually every bullet and there is no evidence of that, whatsoever. Would you agree?
Answer: I agree with that. We have seen no deliberate effort to transfer, sell or steal weaponry. The Ukrainians are using it to defend their country.

REFERENDUMS IN OCCUPIED TERRITORIESA member of the committee asked if the elections were rigged.
The General answered: Yes sir. That was the widespread conclusion at the time. During his speech General Cavoli also rejected the legitimacy of the referendums in the occupied territories of Ukraine. Another sharp contrast to the Musk-Trump regime.

STATUS ON F-16'S? The planes are active. They are flying every day. They've defeated a large number of cruise missile threats. They have delivered an awful lot of offensive attacks as well. None of the F16s has come from the US though. They've come from Northern European countries - The Netherlands and Denmark.

STATUS ON PATRIOT SYSTEMS? They are up and running. That has been in my mind a success story. I was a little bit dubious in the beginning, its a complicated system. We train guys for a long long time to be able to operate it. The Ukrainians took to it like fish to water. In fact, we learn from some of their emplyment techniques right now.

UKRAINIAN ARMY TRANSITIONUkraine has transitioned in to a mainly western equipped army, which is pretty complicated.We operate off a different aiming circle. It's amazing to do that under fire, under the pressure of one of the worlds largest armies. It's a fantastic feat

ALLIESOur strengthened allies will increase our strenght. And our deep relationships gives us the access, the basing and the intelligence necessary to do this.

CHASIV YAR STATUSThey have been fighting over Chasiv Yar and Toretsk for 8 months. In recent weeks the ruzzian offensives has sort of petered out. They have been decreasing in scale, moving from company size to platoon size, now basically small groups of infantry trying to rush forward under artillery fire and they have failed to gain ground. In fact Ukraine has gained some ground there recently.

 
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It was really something else.

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I loved the part of 60 Minutes where they pointed out we’ve sent $175 billion to Ukraine, but it created a lot of American bomb making jobs. I feel much better about all the death now.
Does this mean Ukraine sent money we sent to them back to us for bombs or the $175B includes the value of bombs we sent to them or something else? Are the bombs a part of the $175B that Ukraine officials stole?
 
THe pro-war "argument" has only ever been Orwellian; war is peace, ignorance is strenght.

Whether a Podunk region of Ukraine full of Russians and ruled by Russians historically is governed exploited by Kiev or Moscow is not worth risking humanity.
 
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Putin is going to take over all of Eastern Europe next.
It’s “only” $175 billion for bombs but it creates a lot of American jobs.
We need war to avoid war.
Totally unprovoked.
Ukraine is a democracy.
Putin must be stopped.


It was all the greatest hits of propaganda. How in the world are people still so gd stupid that they continue to fall for this nonsense?
 
Another day another strike by Russia on civilians. 34 people dead so far including 2 children with over 100 more wounded. Not sure how anyone could be on the side that continually targets innocent people.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/13/europe/russian-strike-sumy-ukraine-intl/index.html
No one is pulling for Russia to keep bombing Ukraine, or at least not anyone with common sense. I just want to stop giving another absurdly corrupt country, Ukraine, billions and billions of dollars when they seem to have no intention of trying to work out a cease fire/peace deal.
 
It’s “only” $175 billion for bombs but it creates a lot of American jobs.
This is my favorite one. If the government spends $100B+ for bombs that it either a) doesn't use for our own protection or b) doesn't sell at market prices to an ally for their protection, it is basically not that much different than sending welfare checks to investors and workers in the defense industry. Complete and utter economic waste. It would be like sending money to Alabama to build a bridge and then when the bridge is done they blow it up in the middle of the night. Nothing of value comes out of it.
 
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No one is pulling for Russia to keep bombing Ukraine, or at least not anyone with common sense. I just want to stop giving another absurdly corrupt country, Ukraine, billions and billions of dollars when they seem to have no intention of trying to work out a cease fire/peace deal.
Ukraine agreed to the ceasefire deal proposed by the US. Russia is the one who rejected a full ceasefire.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd65pz1p7d9o

Also, keep in mind the majority of the money is being spent right here in the USA. We build new weapons to replace the old stock we are sending.

 
Putin is going to take over all of Eastern Europe next.
It’s “only” $175 billion for bombs but it creates a lot of American jobs.
We need war to avoid war.
Totally unprovoked.
Ukraine is a democracy.
Putin must be stopped.


It was all the greatest hits of propaganda. How in the world are people still so gd stupid that they continue to fall for this nonsense?
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Well, this joke actually explains that.

A Russian & American are on a flight to the US. The American asks the Russian why he's headed to the US. The Russian says he works for the Kremlin and he's on his way to learn American propaganda techniques. "What American propaganda techniques?" asks the American. "Exactly," the Russian replies.
 
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