The real reason nothing will happen to UNC.

[Son_Of_Saul]

Notable alumni with big pocket books, influence and plenty of ways to funnel them both to the NCAA.


1. William B. Harrison Jr. - former CEO and Chairman of JPMorgan Chase.
2. J. Frank Harrison III - CEO of Coca Cola Bottling Co. Consolidated. - just signed 11 year, $500 million dollar deal with NCAA through CBS.
3. Paul Kolton - Chairman of the American Stock Exchange.
4. Sallie Krawcheck - Chairman and CEO of Citigroup Global Wealth Management.
5. Hugh McColl - former CEO of Bank of America.
6. William H. Rogers Jr. - CEO and Chairman of SunTrust Banks.
7. John Skipper - President of ESPN.
8. Thomas H. Weidemeyer - current director of Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.
9. Jason Kilar - CEO of Hulu.
10. Peter Grauer - Chairmen of Bloomberg L.P.
11. Warren Grice Elliott - President of Atlantic Coast Line Railroad.
12. John Allison - Chairman of BB&T Corporation/Branch Banking and Trust Co.
13. William Johnson - president and CEO of Progress Energy.
14. Howard Levine - CEO of Family Dollar.
15. Scott Livengood - former CEO of Krispy Kreme.
16. Mercer Reynolds III - Finance Chair in charge of President Bush's 2004 reelection campaign.



This post was edited on 1/19 3:22 PM by Son_Of_Saul

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

Wow!!!

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Do we have anything like that at UK? That is an impressive list. Did any major in African American Studies?

 

[JerseyCat84]

Well Harvard might as well start paying players.

 

[jamo0001]

How many of them actually care, though?

 

[Poetax]

And you can bet behind the scene those folks are doing damage control and laying the foundation that everyone cheats and by releasing some academic folks it makes them look like they are cleaning house and getting rid of those few bad apples. I will be shocked if anything is done, too much time has already passed.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

The list doesn't include Gary Parr, Deputy Chairman of Lazard, a financial banking firm that spans 41 countries.

It also doesn't include Marcus Smith, owner of Speedway Motorsports, Inc., which owns ten major racing facilities including the Texas Motor Speedway, Kentucky Speedway, and Bristol Motor Speedway.

It should also be noted that John Medlin graduated from UNCCH. He's deceased now, but he took Wachovia to the rank of 4th highest bank-holding company in the US before Wells Fargo purchased it.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by jamo0001:
How many of them actually care, though?

You don't think many of them care about whether their alma mater is pulled through the mud or not, thus disparaging their own image? These are the business elite we are talking about.

 

[ColonelCat]

We have these that I can think of;

Pat Riley former NBA coach, present GM of Miami Heat

Chris Sullivan-Founder of Outback Steakhouse

Travis Ford Current coach of Ok State Men's B.B.

Dwayne Casey-Current coach of Toronto Raptors NBA

Jim McDonald-Current-Executive Advisor-Cisco Systems, Inc. Former President of IBM, Former President of Scientific-Atlanta
Former President and CEO of Prime Computer; Former President and CEO of Gould, Inc;

I am sure there are many more Grads of UK who are in very important and past positions.

 

[JohnBlue_]

I told you guys last summer that if you started 20 more threads about this there would be nothing done to them. I bet that was 5 thousand threads ago.

Every school has successful alumni and that's never stopped anyone from getting busted before. If there were any truth at all to that you wouldn't know what you do about them now. Imo it's time to let the obsession go for a while and let things play out. If you want something too bad you'll never get it.

 

[UofKBlue]

And, ya know, some guy that started this company....

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

Originally posted by JohnBlue_:
I told you guys last summer that if you started 20 more threads about this there would be nothing done to them. I bet that was 5 thousand threads ago.

Every school has successful alumni and that's never stopped anyone from getting busted before. If there were any truth at all to that you wouldn't know what you do about them now. Imo it's time to let the obsession go for a while and let things play out. If you want something too bad you'll never get it.

Even 40-0 John?

 

[reignof cats]

That is just a business list. How about a political list? How about a sports / ncaa list? Left out MJ and Nike connection. 20 years of cheating is a hard thing for the rest of America to forget. Unc is the biggest joke in college sports. The ncaa will punish every one of their sports except basketball.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

J. Frank Harrison, as CEO of Coca Cola, has a direct connection to UNC (alumni) and the NCAA. His company is one of three major corporate sponsors of the NCAA.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by reignof cats:

That is just a business list. How about a political list? How about a sports / ncaa list? Left out MJ and Nike connection. 20 years of cheating is a hard thing for the rest of America to forget. Unc is the biggest joke in college sports. The ncaa will punish every one of their sports except basketball.

The Nike connection is the most obvious, and I left it off so as not to insult the collective intelligence of this message board.


And the political machine gets its cues from the financial machine. It's always been that way, so the political component is rather irrelevant. I offered up the names that matter.

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

Saul, Harrison and Coke is the main reason nothing will be done besides a slap of the wrist.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by KWilt43atbuzz:
Saul, Harrison and Coke is the main reason nothing will be done besides a slap of the wrist.

Yep.



"Our goal going into our new NCAA relationship was that a few select companies would see the enormous value in a comprehensive and integrated arrangement with CBS and the NCAA," said CBS Sports President Sean McManus. "With their longstanding commitments to the highest quality sporting events in the world and the quality of their worldwide branding efforts, The Coca-Cola Company is the perfect fit."

Coca-Cola will pay CBS more than $500 million for the 11-year marketing and media package.




link

 

[Calsarmy]

You all are way way off. It will happen because the alternative is that there is no NCAA. Understand no school has to belong to the NCAA. If the big schools that have caught the heavy hand of the NCAA in the past watch as NC walks away. They will as well.

Cal has said for years he sees a 64 team conference of the large schools in their own organization NCAA first and foremost is about self preservation. They will do something just so they themselves can stay in business. I dont know if its better to split off because of an NCAA inaction or the creation of a new organization.

 

[GOING FOR #9]

UNC will go down harder than any program in history of NCAA just give it time.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by Calsarmy:
You all are way way off. It will happen because the alternative is that there is no NCAA. Understand no school has to belong to the NCAA. If the big schools that have caught the heavy hand of the NCAA in the past watch as NC walks away. They will as well.

Cal has said for years he sees a 64 team conference of the large schools in their own organization NCAA first and foremost is about self preservation. They will do something just so they themselves can stay in business. I dont know if its better to split off because of an NCAA inaction or the creation of a new organization.

Ticking off the CEO of your largest corporate sponsor isn't really the way to go when trying to be "about self preservation". Maybe you should look into that.

No hammer will be dropped. In the world of money talks, Coca Cola has already decided the issue.

 

[SmyrnaCatFan]

The Nike connection is Michael Jordan but Nike was founded by Oregon alumni and the former Oregon Track Coach. Nike was a big deal before Jordan mainly in track and field.

 

[wildcatdonf]

Or one could say "they are P-O-W-E-R-F-U-L."

 

[GonzoCat90]

That's a pretty ridiculous list. Sports and scandals aside, that's astonishing for a state school.

One would think that kind of academic prestige and history would yield a more serious internal pressure regarding the preservation of such an image, but so far...

 

[lkc1234]

Originally posted by ColonelCat:
We have these that I can think of;

Pat Riley former NBA coach, present GM of Miami Heat

Chris Sullivan-Founder of Outback Steakhouse

Travis Ford Current coach of Ok State Men's B.B.

Dwayne Casey-Current coach of Toronto Raptors NBA

Jim McDonald-Current-Executive Advisor-Cisco Systems, Inc. Former President of IBM, Former President of Scientific-Atlanta
Former President and CEO of Prime Computer; Former President and CEO of Gould, Inc;

I am sure there are many more Grads of UK who are in very important and past positions.

Bill Gatton

Carol Martin "Bill" Gatton (born May 25, 1932 near philanthropist.
C. M. "Bill" Gatton's start as an entrepreneur began as president and general manager of Bill Gatton Motors in Owensboro, Ky., in 1959, just a half-decade after his graduation from college. That lone dealership has since mushroomed to Bill Gatton Chevy - Cadillac, which now incorporates eight additional auto dealerships in Alabama, Texas and Tennessee. He also opened a Honda dealership in Bristol, Tenn., where he remains owner and general manager.[1]
Gatton earned his B.S. in 1954 from the [1]
In 1995, he made a multi-million dollar gift to the College of Business and Economics at UK, the largest gift ever made to the University. In his honor, the UK Board of Trustees later renamed the college "The Carol Martin [2]
Gatton also donated a large sum of money to the formation of the gifted academy at Western Kentucky, opened in 2007 as the Carol Martin Gatton Academy of Mathematics and Science, where high school students could finish their last two years of high school taking rigorous college classes.
September 4, 2014 he also donated another 20 million to UK to expand the student center.



This post was edited on 1/19 3:47 PM by lkc1234

 

[reignof cats]

I don't think we are way off. I bet there is one hell of behind the scenes battle going on right now. Talk about the power 5 self regulating football and basketball is a reality. Power and Money are driving this bus. West Virg. Sen Rockefeller was investigating the ncaa before he left office and Mary Willingham was going up there to testify before the senate. Several UNC Cheat alumni called him and got him to tell Mary to stay at home. They don't care about educating any of these kids. This scandal is so large that many influential people are involved and now want to save their reputation. West Virg. AD Oliver Luck has gone to the Ncaa to put a new face to the ncaa investigation division. Emmert is a clown. I don't care about if any of the rich and powerful people get implicated but the wins in all 7 sports should be vacated. I don't think the ncaa is relevant. They pick and choose who to enforce rules on. UCLA never punished for a decade. I bet you that Duke has a similar LIST that Son of Saul put out on unc cheat. Business/ politics / sports men = big money trying to decide what to do and what the rules are. Almost 20 years of cheating and unc cheat still is not Kentucky.

 

[Calsarmy]

I think Cal's exact quote was "The NCAA is like the Germans of WW2, outdated and about to be destroyed" It will happen, too much out there, too many media types reporting it and talking about it. Just will take time but it will happen.

That are we have a total new organization Cal already has it even split up into 4-16 team conferences.

 

[1977 Cat]

Add to that list Joseph Clayton, President and CEO of Dish Network and Michael Ellis President and CEO of Kroger Company. Both UK alums!

Originally posted by ColonelCat:
We have these that I can think of;

Pat Riley former NBA coach, present GM of Miami Heat

Chris Sullivan-Founder of Outback Steakhouse

Travis Ford Current coach of Ok State Men's B.B.

Dwayne Casey-Current coach of Toronto Raptors NBA

Jim McDonald-Current-Executive Advisor-Cisco Systems, Inc. Former President of IBM, Former President of Scientific-Atlanta
Former President and CEO of Prime Computer; Former President and CEO of Gould, Inc;

I am sure there are many more Grads of UK who are in very important and past positions.

This post was edited on 1/19 4:16 PM by 1977 Cat

 

[KendallCat]

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Originally posted by KWilt43atbuzz:
Saul, Harrison and Coke is the main reason nothing will be done besides a slap of the wrist.

Yep.



"Our goal going into our new NCAA relationship was that a few select companies would see the enormous value in a comprehensive and integrated arrangement with CBS and the NCAA," said CBS Sports President Sean McManus. "With their longstanding commitments to the highest quality sporting events in the world and the quality of their worldwide branding efforts, The Coca-Cola Company is the perfect fit."

Coca-Cola will pay CBS more than $500 million for the 11-year marketing and media package.

So you are saying that because Coke gave a bunch of money the NCAA will look the other way? Since they have already paid the money what would they do if they did come down on UNC - ask for it back? That would not look suspicious at all.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by KendallCat:

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Originally posted by KWilt43atbuzz:
Saul, Harrison and Coke is the main reason nothing will be done besides a slap of the wrist.

Yep.



"Our goal going into our new NCAA relationship was that a few select companies would see the enormous value in a comprehensive and integrated arrangement with CBS and the NCAA," said CBS Sports President Sean McManus. "With their longstanding commitments to the highest quality sporting events in the world and the quality of their worldwide branding efforts, The Coca-Cola Company is the perfect fit."

Coca-Cola will pay CBS more than $500 million for the 11-year marketing and media package.

So you are saying that because Coke gave a bunch of money the NCAA will look the other way? Since they have already paid the money what would they do if they did come down on UNC - ask for it back? That would not look suspicious at all.

No, I'm saying it certainly helps having a former alumni who also is the CEO of the NCAA's largest corporate sponsor. It's called influence. I don't think the scenario can be painted as blatantly as what you're offering. More along the lines of "we will work it out" type conversations rather than outright threats of illogical and illegal contract breaching.


If you have a not-for-profit youth program that finds 15-20% of your sponsoring from the financing of a father whose son happened to destroy some of your youth center's property, are you honestly going to press charges, especially if the father covers the expenses of the destruction?

Is that conversation even a consideration, or do you simply look the other way? That's how the real world works. Everything else is naïve rhetoric for people who live in bubbles.

 

[Seth C]

Originally posted by Calsarmy:
You all are way way off. It will happen because the alternative is that there is no NCAA. Understand no school has to belong to the NCAA. If the big schools that have caught the heavy hand of the NCAA in the past watch as NC walks away. They will as well.

Cal has said for years he sees a 64 team conference of the large schools in their own organization NCAA first and foremost is about self preservation. They will do something just so they themselves can stay in business. I dont know if its better to split off because of an NCAA inaction or the creation of a new organization.

You give them far too much credit. Nothing will happen specifically because the NCAA is too arrogant and fool-hardy to realize that ignoring this will be their downfall. They think they can do whatever they want, and so that's what they will do, to their own detriment.

And when it happens I hope the schools that found a new organization say "screw you, UNC, go play in the NAIA for a few decades".

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by Seth C:


And when it happens I hope the schools that found a new organization say "screw you, UNC, go play in the NAIA for a few decades".

That would be beautiful.

 

[Samwise Ganjee]

Your whole premise is flawed

You are positing that influential alumni of UNC want to prop up a corrupt and fraudulent student athletic curriculum that also dips into Pell Grant fraud

So they pay huge amounts of money to an organizing entity that permits that kind of behavior to go unpunished

There is nothing anywhere, at any time, to support that argument

Quite the contrary: influential people DO NOT WANT controversy or bad press and that is exactly what the NCAA is with UNC hanging around its neck

EVERYBODY KNOWS IT

Maybe at one time UNC might have swept all this under the rug but the cat's out of the bag now with media and fans and even the people in those paneled board rooms aware of the unethical and unsportsmanlike behavior

I would argue with your own argument just as strongly that these people want the University returned to its previous prestige by a purge of the wrongdoers and wrongdoing to protect their own interests and degrees and good will more than they want to cover it up

 

[JohnBlue_]

Originally posted by KWilt43atbuzz:

Even 40-0 John?

Have you already forgotten last season? It was all the rage, people made shirts, hundreds of article's were written. Fans here were looking for every crack on internet to run and trash talk about it. Just like starting a thread laughing at another team down thinking they have already lost.

 

[sonnyg333]

The reason they will have to do something to UNC...

1. The rest of NCAA college basketball and football world will no longer look to them as a governing body over college sports. This will end the money trails all together and finish them for good....Who would honor any ruling from them after looking the other way with UNC, yet hammering everyone else?

 

[JohnBlue_]

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Notable alumni with big pocket books, influence and plenty of ways to funnel them both to the NCAA.


1. William B. Harrison Jr. - former CEO and Chairman of JPMorgan Chase.
2. J. Frank Harrison III - CEO of Coca Cola Bottling Co. Consolidated. - just signed 11 year, $500 million dollar deal with NCAA through CBS.
3. Paul Kolton - Chairman of the American Stock Exchange.
4. Sallie Krawcheck - Chairman and CEO of Citigroup Global Wealth Management.
5. Hugh McColl - former CEO of Bank of America.
6. William H. Rogers Jr. - CEO and Chairman of SunTrust Banks.
7. John Skipper - President of ESPN.
8. Thomas H. Weidemeyer - current director of Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company.
9. Jason Kilar - CEO of Hulu.
10. Peter Grauer - Chairmen of Bloomberg L.P.
11. Warren Grice Elliott - President of Atlantic Coast Line Railroad.
12. John Allison - Chairman of BB&T Corporation/Branch Banking and Trust Co.
13. William Johnson - president and CEO of Progress Energy.
14. Howard Levine - CEO of Family Dollar.
15. Scott Livengood - former CEO of Krispy Kreme.
16. Mercer Reynolds III - Finance Chair in charge of President Bush's 2004 reelection campaign.



This post was edited on 1/19 3:22 PM by Son_Of_Saul

Another thing you didn't consider is that list of people probably don't give a rats ass about sports. They're not interested what Roy Williams does, they are geeks that care about academics and it's just as likely they step up and demand something be done about the rogue group of cheaters that are tarnishing their Alma maters name.

 

[wildcatdonf]

The NCAA has been known to make up their rules as they go. We have seen it. Right???

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Originally posted by Samwise Ganjee:
Your whole premise is flawed

Flawed because you disagree with it.


Nothing has happened to UNC to merit the type of public shame you're asserting. A few thousand college basketball fans know, but without taking down banners or putting the program on probation, nothing substantial has happened that would actually create a publically far-reaching recognition of what transpired.

Taking down the banners is counterintuitive to maintaining the academic elitism you're asserting because it would shed light on the reality in a way that would reach into the homes of the average US citizen. Just because Kentucky fans are aware of the scandal doesn't mean the rest of the nation is. The moment you pull the trigger on probation or banners, it becomes a true national story. As it is, all that has happened is a slap on the wrist in which the university itself has defected almost any and all culpability.

And the notion that none of those academic business elites care about their Tar Heel basketball is really reaching. Find me an alumni who doesn't care about his or her school's athletic successes and you've likely found a work of fiction.


As for your comment about what I am "positing", you're way off. The UNC alumni would be foolish to want to continue to promote a fraudulent academic system (one most of them would certainly disagree with and reject) but would they be foolish to want to deflect their university's connections to such a corrupt system? As for helping the school distance itself from the accusations, do you think any of them wouldn't try to help solidify a defense of their university if they could? Further, do you honestly think that any such influential exchanges are going to be publically promoted and revealed to the Charlotte Observer or that one of these guys will sit down and agree to a one-on-one with Andy Katz or Chris Matthews? Surely you know how the world operates. It operates this way on the lowest levels, and on the highest. That's how it has always been, and how it will always be.


But if you disagree, that's fine. However, it would be great if you and those who agree with you would explain why UNC gets a double standard while other schools get hammered for much less.














This post was edited on 1/20 4:22 AM by Son_Of_Saul

 

[jameslee32]

Miss the point much?

If you're smart, you don't bite the hand that feeds ya . IOW, the NCAA will wrist-slap simply because college presidents are a signature away from making their smug little Indy butts obsolete.

They might lose accreditation but I have a crazy feeling those in power are not all that concerned with education.

 

[EastKYWildcat]

Who knows if they will slide.. but if they do it becomes a free-for-all. Nothing is enforceable from that point forward. I'll still love my cats, but I won't have the daily investment in college basketball that I do now. I can't see the point in it if they get by.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Call Pack Pride and have them to organize a boycott of all those businesses. Each one of those corporations have a Board of Directors who does not entirely consist of UNC*** Alums.