You clean up the game by calling all of the fouls. If games keep taking that long maybe the ncaa will tell coaches to quit teaching call of the illegal crap that they teach and they will tell the refs to call the games like old rules used to call for. No more palming, walking, hand checking, jumping into defenders to draw fouls etc. once the coaches see this stuff will be called then they have to start teaching a bit differently. One set of rules for high and college ball. No more gather steps and letting guys run from the free throw line without dribbling and then dunk with no walking all. Saw that many times this year. But none of this will ever happen. NCAA thinks this is entertainment and that people enjoy watching football in a gym.
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I'm very sick of offensive players driving and shoving the defender with their off arm and being rewarded for it. Broome got away with it 5 times and Flagg does it every time he drives. Hell on his game winning attempt he hooked his defender like crazy.
This, this and this.
That’s nothing compared to the mental gymnastics it takes to say that referees should not call fouls in order to make the game better. Good luck in your quixotic quest that nobody is going to agree with.
If only they had a way to communicate with the coaches by sending a video of plays that are or are not acceptable so they would know what will be called a foul. Then they could actually call it that way in the preseason games so that Coaches and Players know what to expect going forward. I can guarantee if the star players are riding the bench in foul trouble the coaches will adjust how they play defense. To say that less fouls called is the solution is ridiculous because it will turn the game into barnyard ball because it's pretty much there now.
Sometimes I think y'all love having lots of fouls called just so you have something to cry about.
Look at the Flagg foul from the other night. It's not the reason they lost. But since the stupid ref decided to blow the whistle for no reason at the crux of the game now it's all anyone is talking about.
You're right, it is a rough game already (but not barnyard ball). May as well get over with fast. The way it's called now isn't working, don't you agree? It's absolutely unwatchable due to all the stoppages for fouls and reviews. No college game should last 2.5 hours. I say loosen up the whistle. What do you have to lose? I'm saying get rid of the ticky tack fouls. Let them body up and fight for rebounds. Let them contest layups without the zebras calling fouls just because they assume they should. I'd say about half of the "and one" calls are not even fouls at all. We are all just conditioned to expect that whistle.
I agree that it is unwatchable at times but to me the solution isn't to let it go. It's like the kids book if you give a mouse a cookie he will want a glass of milk. The more they get away with the more they will do until it gets to the point it's rugby with a basketball. It isn't far from that now at times. The bigger problem for me is the inconsistency with calling a touch foul 35 feet from the basket when a guy throws his head back like he get shot from a grassy knoll but then let a big guy get mugged under the basket and swallow the whistle. Let the ticky tack stuff go and call the physical fouls would go a long way to cleaning it up. Also, call the rule they just implemented 2 short years ago like you are supposed to and hit guys with a flopping foul for doing that crap.
What do people know about the officials for the championship game? Ron Groover, Doug Sirmons and Terry Oglseby. What are there tendencies?
Outside of being horrible, inconsistent and at times seeming like he is on the take probably nothing.
I suppose one measurable would be to ask yourself this. Did you prefer the gameplay of the regular season in the sec, or the gameplay of the tournament? Because there was a stark difference and I think it was deliberate. Whether due to time constraints with the game times and the networks or what, I think there was a direction given to the officials to move the games along.
Aaaaaand false choice fallacy. Why does it have to be A or B? Why not C: Correct calls and players adjusting to the actual rules?
I tend to agree with you, but if they are gonna let the ball handler carry the ball 4 steps before dribbling again - and then let him take 4 steps before shooting - the defense has to do what they can to stay in front of them. That means grabbing/hacking/pushing/humping.
Gotta fix the advantage these new rules give the offense before fixing the rough defense, imo.
Let me get this straight.
You believe...that there was a...DIRECTION...given to the officials...to...MOVE THE GAMES ALONG?
That's interesting, given all the threads and comments of disdain and contempt you have posted against our fans when they complain about officials influencing the games.
Care to explain this contradiction?
I think there were less fouls called in the tournament. I like that. I want less fouls called all the time. I don’t see a contradiction at all. I don’t cry about calls all the time like so many others. Those people are gonna cry no matter what because that’s what crybabies do. This is a totally different discussion. I prefer a loser whistle. If you disagree then I don’t give a shit. I can have my opinion and you can have yours.
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You SAID you believe the refs engineered the game. That is contrary to your oft stated position. You disagree with yourself. Don’t put that on me.
My case still stands that last night they were mugging each other the first half with few fouls called the 2nd half they called everything. There is no way for teams to understand when and what will be called. Let them know you will call fouls and then do it and they will adapt. It's like my mother used to say...Say what you mean and mean what you say. There is no way coaches want their best players on the bench so if they understand playing like thugs will result in fouls being called they will adjust their defensive strategy. That is my opinion.
I do believe that the refs were encouraged to move the games along. It's the only explanation for why the games were called so differently and so suddenly in contrast to the regular season. I did not say that the refs were cheating for anyone. I think it was a loose whistle both ways in most every game I watched. As long as it's called consistently I have no problem with it.
As a fan and former high school coach, I think the most frustrating thing is how the whistle often changes during the course of the game. Last night's NCAA Championship game was a prime example. Despite being extremely physical from the get-go, there were a total of 4 fouls called in the first half. At the end of the first half, I said to myself that the second half would be a whistle extravaganza and, unfortunately, I was correct. I'm not Nostrodamus -- I've simply seen it happen far too many times to the point where it's become the expected norm! In the second half, Florida had 5 or 6 team fouls by the first TV timeout, and both teams were in the bonus and double-bonus pretty early in the second half.
I understand that the intensity picks up in the 2nd half of a hotly contested game which rightly leads to more legit fouls being called, but last night was like watching 2 different games! I didn't have a "dog in the fight" last night, but I would have been furious over the complete 180 in the whistle if UK had been involved in the last night's championship game. Whether it be the strike zone in softball or baseball, or fouls in basketball, all a coach and team wants is officiating consistency. When everyone knows what a strike is, or knows what a foul is in each respective sport, the game flows much better, and both players and coaches can adjust accordingly.
I understand that the intensity picks up in the 2nd half of a hotly contested game which rightly leads to more legit fouls being called, but last night was like watching 2 different games! I didn't have a "dog in the fight" last night, but I would have been furious over the complete 180 in the whistle if UK had been involved in the last night's championship game. Whether it be the strike zone in softball or baseball, or fouls in basketball, all a coach and team wants is officiating consistency. When everyone knows what a strike is, or knows what a foul is in each respective sport, the game flows much better, and both players and coaches can adjust accordingly.
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