The Fall of UNC-Cheats

[MdWIldcat55]

The Cheaters suffered another blowout loss to an unranked and ordinary Wake Forest team. It's starting to look like they may well miss the NCAA tournament. It's also looking like a steep decline for a program that has struggled for three years now. Hubert Davis looks overmatched as the head coach. And I don't see them being able to get rid of their first African American head coach, an honored former player with strong ties inside the Community of Cheater Hoops until at least year three.

It is hard to say how long they may struggle -- a couple more years? Through the next coaching transition? A decades-long Indiana type decline? No one thought that was possible for Indiana either in the early 1990s.

Some perspective: 12 years ago the Cheaters were all convinced they were going to supplant Kentucky - not just for all-time wins which they had held for years until the late 1990s -- but overall. After all, they'd actually won some championships, had the hottest coach in the sport, were in a celebrated conference with ESPN fawning over them as much as Duke back then, and were still living off Michael Jordan's legacy to a degree.

To me, this strongly suggests
1. You need to be very careful about coaching changes.
2. The ebb and flow of the sport plays out over years. UNC-Cheats was a much stronger contender to Kentucky's throne as the Greatest Program of All Time in 2009-10 than Duke heading into the Post-K era or certainly the Jailhawks, with their meager championship accomplishments, dirty, cheating reputation and second-rate conference affiliation.

Kentucky will be fine at the top, especially if Calipari has another half dozen good years and the transition to the next coach is handled right.

 

[Runnin'Ramel]

Hubert was an awful, lazy hire.

 

[Glenn's take]

And there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings to fix the mess.

 

[aikenite4uk]

It was pretty obvious when we played UNC they were not what they used to be in the talent department.

 

[Smashcat]

6-9 PF Gregory Jackson is considered a lock to UNCheat unless he skips college. Would be a good time for UK to get involved with him imo. Not a large number of elite bigs in the 2023 class.

 

[WallMashKyBall]

I'm a Cal supporter, so I'm gonna say this is another cautionary tale (like Indiana, like we were before Cal) that you can new coach hire yourself to irrelevancy.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Hubert was an awful, lazy hire.

Davis was a "woke" hire. They'll have to convince him to resign or they'll be stuck with him for at least 4 years. If they fire him before then it will be interesting to watch just how brutally they'll be attacked.

 

[gwjenning]

Let’s hope Scheyer has the same type of success/failure replacing the Rat at Duke.

Promoting an assistant to HC rarely works. To me it adds some light to how successful Joe B. Really was here being promoted from an assistant.

 

[rick64]

This is Matt Doherty 2.0 for UNCheat.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

All of you show how much we have become a microwave society. It takes time to bake a cake. It takes time to make quality barbecue. Hubert needs time. If given time, UNC will appreciate Hubert. Everything doesn't come in an instant. No way UNC can evaluate Hubert for at least a decade.

 

[Oldbluefart]

Sort of the situation we were in with Tubby. Some still think race played in his departure and this will be what happens at UNC.
Some people will never leave race out of things but it is what it is.

 

[wcc31]

It was pure arrogance to think that some dude would be good enough simply because he’s in the family. They should have learned this lesson with Guthridge and Doherty. They gave a Top 2 job in the sport to a guy who has never shown anything. Roy, Few and Izzo are the exceptions.

But I’m enjoying this thoroughly. The hell with Carolina.

 

[yoshukai]

And there is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings to fix the mess.

They believe Wes Miller is . It’s who most of them wanted .

 

[Deli owl]

Food for thought: Our next coach could turn out to be just like this.

 

[Patriot202]

You love to see it 🤩

 

[March 22]

All of you show how much we have become microwave society. It takes time to bake a cake. It takes time to make quality barbecue. Hubert needs time. If given time, UNC will appreciate Hubert. Everything doesn't come in an instant. No way UNC can evaluate Hubert for at least a decade.

At least a decade Hubert is someone's son, you know.

 

[Chuckinden]

UNC needs to get away from hiring within the UNC "family".

You would think they had learned that from Guthridge.

 

[yes_takeaside]

Correct me if I’m wrong, There was a time when you watched college basketball and there was no talk of this or that player being maybe number one in the draft or a high draft pick. The focus has changed and not for the better.

Most kids aren’t going to schools based on their tradition. It’s affecting every school and will do so increasingly. X and O coaching will become more of a premium and the old order is changing.

Many UK fans, at least on this board, worry about the day Cal leaves. The day when top 5 draft picks won’t be picking UK as a quick path to the NBA and real coaching will be required.

That day will come regardless of when. Adolph Rupp came out of nowhere and put UK basketball on the map. He made it the center of the college bb universe. Joe B carried the tradition on. Others have since done the same at UK, but the trend is in the wrong direction. Tradition no longer matters.

Can UK maintain its status going forward? I’m dubious. The motivations are all different and the day will come when the coaching job at UK will just be another job.

The 65+ years of fandom like mine and many others, is fast becoming a relic. But it has been a great ride.

To put it into current context, I don’t give a damn about Sharpe and how his playing or not playing affects his future earrings. That has nothing to do with UK basketball.

 

[NoDef]

Correct me if I’m wrong, There was a time when you watched college basketball and there was no talk of this or that player being maybe number one in the draft or a high draft pick. The focus has changed and not for the better.

Most kids aren’t going to schools based on their tradition. It’s affecting every school and will do so increasingly. X and O coaching will become more of a premium and the old order is changing.

Many UK fans, at least on this board, worry about the day Cal leaves. The day when top 5 draft picks won’t be picking UK as a quick path to the NBA and real coaching will be required.

That day will come regardless of when. Adolph Rupp came out of nowhere and put UK basketball on the map. He made it the center of the college bb universe. Joe B carried the tradition on. Others have since done the same at UK, but the trend is in the wrong direction. Tradition no longer matters.

Can UK maintain its status going forward? I’m dubious. The motivations are all different and the day will come when the coaching job at UK will just be another job.

The 65+ years of fandom like mine and many others, is fast becoming a relic. But it has been a great ride.

To put it into current context, I don’t give a damn about Sharpe and how his playing or not playing affects his future earrings. That has nothing to do with UK basketball.

Indiana has held on to their great traditions. They still wear those god awful candy cane warm ups. The gym bleachers is what high schools had in them back in the Hoosiers era. Some times you just have to move on and use what's best today. Still embrace the past, but it's changed..

 

[the stat man]

Hubert was an awful, lazy hire.

i was going to say he is Penny Hardaway east. But at least he was an assistant in college for two or three years . I don’t believe you will see any F-Bomb tantrums on TV out of him either. I still wonder what the. president and AD think of Penny.s little episode? Yep that’s the guy I want going into sixteen and seventeen year old kids representing my school .

 

[bigblue1971]

6-9 PF Gregory Jackson is considered a lock to UNCheat unless he skips college. Would be a good time for UK to get involved with him imo. Not a large number of elite bigs in the 2023 class.

Been hoping UK would get involved with him. Possibly the best big in the class. Be hard to get him out of North Carolina but it's been done before.

 

[CatPhight]

Hubert

Like who didn't see this coming?

 

[UK_born_b_bread]

The Cheaters suffered another blowout loss to an unranked and ordinary Wake Forest team. It's starting to look like they may well miss the NCAA tournament. It's also looking like a steep decline for a program that has struggled for three years now. Hubert Davis looks overmatched as the head coach. And I don't see them being able to get rid of their first African American head coach, an honored former player with strong ties inside the Community of Cheater Hoops until at least year

It is hard to say how long they may struggle -- a couple more years? Through the next coaching transition? A decades-long Indiana type decline? No one thought that was possible for Indiana either in the early 1990s.

Some perspective: 12 years ago the Cheaters were all convinced they were going to supplant Kentucky - not just for all-time wins which they had held for years until the late 1990s -- but overall. After all, they'd actually won some championships, had the hottest coach in the sport, were in a celebrate conference with ESPN fawning over them as much as Duke back then, and were still living off Michael Jordan's legacy to a degree.

To me, this strongly suggests
1. You need to be very careful about coaching changes.
2. The ebb and flow of the sport plays out over years. UNC-Cheats was a much stronger contender to Kentucky's throne as the Greatest Program of All Time in 2009-10 than Duke heading into the Post-K era or certainly the Jailhawks, with their meager championship accomplishments, dirty, cheating reputation and second-rate conference affiliation.

Kentucky will be fine at the top, especially if Calipari has another half dozen good years and the transition to the next coach is handled right.

You had me until "if Calipari has another half dozen good years." Then this all became fantasyland.

 

[TM2013]

6-9 PF Gregory Jackson is considered a lock to UNCheat unless he skips college. Would be a good time for UK to get involved with him imo. Not a large number of elite bigs in the 2023 class.

The last couple weeks on the Uncheats board they are starting to surrender him to Dook. GG is visiting Dook this weekend and apparently have all the momentum in that recruitment now. No elite recruits really want to play at Uncheats anymore.

 

[seccats04]

Sort of the situation we were in with Tubby. Some still think race played in his departure and this will be what happens at UNC.
Some people will never leave race out of things but it is what it is.

Yes but the media won’t roast UNC the way they did us.

 

[ace on the river]

UNC needs to get away from hiring within the UNC "family".

You would think they had learned that from Guthridge.

They have to keep it in the family. A jilted lover knows where all the bodies are buried

 

[K_TIME]

True hoping the grass is greener then Cal is a risk. But I’d hope Ky doesn’t fall into the same stupid mindset of UNC to only hire within their family is more their problem then the risk of the unknown new coach

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Let’s hope Scheyer has the same type of success/failure replacing the Rat at Duke.

Promoting an assistant to HC rarely works. To me it adds some light to how successful Joe B. Really was here being promoted from an assistant.

There is an important difference with Joe B. He was a head coach twice i think before coming back to UK as an assistant. He had important experience under his belt.

 

[blackcat714]

Pearl would do good at North Carolina.

 

[Ron Mehico]

How is it any different than the Scheyer hire at Duke? Pretty amazing and awesome that those 2 programs went with the hires they did.

 

[jameslee32]

Cheats this year. 👍
Dook next year. 👍

 

[Oldbluefart]

Yes but the media won’t roast UNC the way they did us.

100% correct

 

[TFCats11]

Pearl would do good at North Carolina.

And that will probably happen within the next 2 years. Watch.

 

[wcc31]

And that will probably happen within the next 2 years. Watch.

Have you ever paid attention to North Carolina? If so, this is a ridiculous take. If not, go research their history.

 

[*CatinIL*]

Maybe this is NCAA BB Karma. Since the NCAA didn't punish UNC...maybe the Universe decided to do it for them.

 

[downw/ball-lineD]

The Cheaters suffered another blowout loss to an unranked and ordinary Wake Forest team. It's starting to look like they may well miss the NCAA tournament. It's also looking like a steep decline for a program that has struggled for three years now. Hubert Davis looks overmatched as the head coach. And I don't see them being able to get rid of their first African American head coach, an honored former player with strong ties inside the Community of Cheater Hoops until at least year three.

It is hard to say how long they may struggle -- a couple more years? Through the next coaching transition? A decades-long Indiana type decline? No one thought that was possible for Indiana either in the early 1990s.

Some perspective: 12 years ago the Cheaters were all convinced they were going to supplant Kentucky - not just for all-time wins which they had held for years until the late 1990s -- but overall. After all, they'd actually won some championships, had the hottest coach in the sport, were in a celebrated conference with ESPN fawning over them as much as Duke back then, and were still living off Michael Jordan's legacy to a degree.

To me, this strongly suggests
1. You need to be very careful about coaching changes.
2. The ebb and flow of the sport plays out over years. UNC-Cheats was a much stronger contender to Kentucky's throne as the Greatest Program of All Time in 2009-10 than Duke heading into the Post-K era or certainly the Jailhawks, with their meager championship accomplishments, dirty, cheating reputation and second-rate conference affiliation.

Kentucky will be fine at the top, especially if Calipari has another half dozen good years and the transition to the next coach is handled right.

IMO, UNC can not lose enough games. Period. The entire program is And always has been a facade. Cheating POS program that held itself out as being a forerunner to integration, when in reality the cheated thousands of AA out of an education.

no sympathy. None.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Yes but the media won’t roast UNC the way they did us.

Agree 100%. If UK had done what UNC did with AFAM, the media would have buried us. But, Dean Smith U was barely touched because of a fake narrative that has been perpetuated for years that Dean was some great civil right champion.

 

[saxonburgcat]

BTW, I LOVE Hubert Davis and his "Billy G" not being tough enough excuses. He is the personification of "loser."

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

I really hope they keep Davis as their coach forever. I think he is doing a wonderful job.

 

[TheOtherGreatOne]

And that will probably happen within the next 2 years. Watch.

Pearl will not be coaching at North Carolina. They always hire in house. Personally I hope they keep Davis forever, he is going a wonderful job.