Why on earth did they even go to this in the first place is beyond me. They need to go back to the Jump ball on tie ups. I hate this rule.....GO CATS!
The alternate possession rule needs to go bye bye..........
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I'm not sure it does. At least now its a 50/50 on possession, either its yours or not. If its a jump ball, it rewards the taller player about 90% of time, why do that? If Tyler Ulis ties the ball up 10 times in a game, we get 5 of those now. If Tyler Ulis ties a ball up and its a jump ball we get 0.
You and Dick Vitale agree. The rule was changed because officials were doing a poor job of tossing the ball up. I just watched part of the 1975 game with Indiana and the problem was obvious in that game.
I actually like Dick Vitale (so sue me) but I gotta go against him on this one. I think the possession arrow (along with that whole fouling by the trailing team at the end of a NCAA Tournament game) gives an added element of strategy and helps make the college game more distinct from the NBA. Ironically, the doubling cube in backgammon has both shot clock and possession arrow elements.
I like it because of height differences, and it takes the human referee element out. Want to get rid of something? Scrap the 1 and 1 free throws.
The Jump ball/alternate possession call has become a bail out call for refs....90% of the time a jump ball situation is a FOUL on one player or another. The refs should be calling fouls instead of jump balls.
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You make a good point. But it's not always going to be Tyler Ulis. It could be Alex,Marcus,Derek,Jamaal etc....
I don't have any clue how you'd do it but I think the defense needs to be rewarded more for tying the ball up, but I guess it's as fair as possible now. Off topic but I loved how Kentucky basically forced two turnovers on one play when they tied the ball up in the backcourt against Louisville, possession arrow switched to Kentucky to start the second half and then they gave the ball right back to us because the 10 second count didn't restart. A great twofer.
It won't always be Ulis, but it makes the point of why arbitrarily reward the taller team. Why not just let them wrestle for it, strongest guy gets it, like football, just as arbitrary as jumping it.
I am fine with the rule as is. Giving to Def every time would be better than jumping it. Might force refs to call more fouls on tie ups than they do.
No thanks to that rule change. That would slow down games that are already plagued by too many fouls being called, commercials and other game delays. Statistically, the jump ball is 50/50 to begin with, and over time it just isn't worth the extra amount of time it would take to figure out who is jumping...lining up the players (jockying for position) and tossing the ball correctly so as not to advantage one player over another in the toss up. The current rule is good and fair.
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As has been stated the rule changed because the officials refused to learn how to toss the ball when the jump ball situation occurred. If you watch the opening tipoff of each game you will see that they still cannot do the job and most of them refuse to enforce the rules about hitting the ball on the way up so there is no way they could ever go back to the old rule. Putting it bluntly, the officials are simply too inept for it to work.
They tried that after we won the title in 98 because of the Padgett tie up with the Stanford player. Refs had to determine if defensive player made play causing the tie up. Don't want to give refs more discretion.
And always giving it to defense it just as bad.
This is exactly the reason it's always irked me when vitale would start his nonsensical babbling about how the defense wasn't rewarded for their hard work when the possession arrow's pointing toward the offense. If it's a guy Tyler's size on defense, then the alternating possession is the only way they'll be rewarded for forcing the jump ball, because they sure aren't going to be winning any tips. It makes me mad at his partners for not once ever calling him out on this...
Agreed! At the very least let each coach pick a player presently on the court to do the honors.
LOL they're showing the presser on ESPNU during the halftime of KSU/WVU
this is going to be plastered everywhere - Pitino is going to lose it worse than he already has
this is going to be plastered everywhere - Pitino is going to lose it worse than he already has
A little off topic but about a rule change, can someone explain to me why they don't allow coaches to call timeouts anymore? I don't recall any of the announcers talking about why that change was made.
Not sure, but probably because many times coaches are trying to call timeout and the refs don't see them, which leads to complaints leveled at them by said coaches. This way, they don't have to worry about seeing or hearing the coach.
Thanks. I could see that rule hurting a team that was behind in the last few seconds of a close game where the coach is trying to communicate to one of his players to call timeout and the players don't see him and precious seconds tick off the clock.
Alternate possession already benefits the defense. If you tie them up and have the possession arrow you get the ball automatically regardless of your size or jumping ability. If you tie them up and they have the arrow, you now get the arrow and they keep the ball that they already had.
the 50 50 rule takes away from the game. One team Vs another team is how it is suppose to go. 50/50 is not game.
You all make some interesting points and I appreciate it. I just don't like the rule but that's just my opinion. GO CATS!
Then we would spend 10 minutes at the monitor trying to decide who had possession before the tie-up. Let's see...UM player shot the ball. UK got possession after a battle and then gets tied up. Who was playing D when the tie-up occurred?
I guess I can see this being quite an ordeal.....
that one from yesterday where he melted down, contradicted himself, admitted there was "wrong doing"
It wasn't the whole thing, but enough.
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