Tennessee
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That won’t happen. If you actually read the entire notice you will see how Tennessee was actually lauded in how they responded once they became aware of some violations.
The recruiting department was wiped out, coaches were fired, and the Vols entered last season with 65 scholarship players. They still aren’t up to the full scholarship allotment.
In light of today’s NIL programs, a total $60,000 in cash being given to recruits is a laughable amount.
I would like to think otherwise, but it seems that with NIL coming to fruition that people who are in and around programs throughout the country are acknowledging more freely how money has been paid for years anyway.
regardless, I would not be surprised to see the NCAA come back and not administer any additional penalties to Tennessee. A main reason for that is how Tennessee responded so aggressively and conducted an internal investigation, reporting back what they found to the NCAA (additional violations
Compare that with LSU basketball who had a coach who clearly was caught on tape paying players and they did nothing about it. They let the guy keep on going while the investigations dragged on.
NIL aside, the fact is that Tennessee violated NCAA rules that were in place at the time. Accordingly, they should be punished for having done so. But I think for those who are aware of the response from Tennessee and the penalties they have already incurred with reduced scholarships and an NCAA cloud Hell against them on the recruiting trail that they have already paid a sufficient price for the past actions.
Check out my post above a few minutes ago. Their actions hardly speak to an outlaw administration…just the opposite.
look, I get it. College fans across the country never think that their teams ever cheat. They always think that when player X chooses another team over theirs, then Money must have been involved. Right? Some Tennessee fans think that way too about certain programs in certain sports.
This is a Kentucky message board, so I understand a funny picture of a guy in a Tennessee hat. And I really got a laugh out of that one.
But when reading through some of these responses ITT it’s also funny to see all the misspelled or incorrectly used words. What do they say about glass houses?
Again, did you read the entire notice of allegations which included information on Tennessee’s response? Going into a season with 65 scholarship players like Tennessee did last year was more than just a slap on the wrist. That is division 1AA
I was not one of them, but many Tennessee fans were angry with the administration coming out with such a scorched earth policy regarding the football program. What at how Tennessee responded compared to LSU, North Carolina basketball, and other situations where the institution drag their feet.
honestly, I was surprised that the amount was only $60,000. Based on some of the reporting hearsay one would’ve thought that it was in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Of course that doesn’t make $60,000 OK. It’s not.
UT fans outside the Tennessee program are not fully aware of how much that NCAA cloud has harmed the football program. They are also not aware of the huge sums of money (over a million $) that UT paid to outside counsel during an internal investigation. Tennessee hired an outside law firm to do the investigation because that firm was familiar with NCAA in fractions and had a great amount of credibility with the NCAA based on past performance. The UT attorneys were also engaged.
Based on how Tennessee responded so aggressively And based on how Tennessee has been crippled to date it is difficult to see the NCAA doing anything more significant than what Tennessee has already experienced with the restrictions placed on themselves.
Tennessee cheated, I don't care what the NCAA does. They have had terrible seasons paying people before the NIL and IMO karma always wins, it has so far and will continue to do so until they clean thier act up. Now they can legally pay players and they are already pushing the rules on that.
They will basically do whatever it takes to win and karma is winning everytime, the player that takes money like this are the ones that very rarely work out.
Living in TN I can tell you they beat thier chest over a win against us last season, now my response is - well you cheated and not once but EIGHTEEN times.
They will basically do whatever it takes to win and karma is winning everytime, the player that takes money like this are the ones that very rarely work out.
Living in TN I can tell you they beat thier chest over a win against us last season, now my response is - well you cheated and not once but EIGHTEEN times.
And here comes the vol to claim UT to be a model of how to run a clean program. Will this one claim Pruitt learned to cheat at Bama and UGA too? Clearly he was new at it and didn't know how to cover his rear. Everyone else in the conference believes he was following Fulmer's orders to do what it took to get players like he did. But if Pruitt was winning and 8-2 the whistle blower would have been the one sent packing along with anyone else who wanted rid of him.
Regardless of how it went down its still the trashiest program in the conference, all you have to do is go back to the OM game when the fans covered the field in garbage, after a correct call by the officials. And any administration that would tolerate the action of a coach and the the vols put on the field this year should be fire. No one believes you turned yourself in because it was the right thing to do, you did it to save 23m dollars.
Regardless of how it went down its still the trashiest program in the conference, all you have to do is go back to the OM game when the fans covered the field in garbage, after a correct call by the officials. And any administration that would tolerate the action of a coach and the the vols put on the field this year should be fire. No one believes you turned yourself in because it was the right thing to do, you did it to save 23m dollars.
Tough deal calling out Karma as your friend against a team that has dominated Kentucky, even when historically at a low point.
Do you have any idea how many people believe that the one and done basketball profile of Kentucky has caused other fans to laud them as cheaters? Such a system lends itself to others thinking that Kentucky cheats.
I don’t know about all of that, but it has been reported that Calipari and Barnes are good friends, and I think that speaks well for Calipari as I know Barnes is a fine man. So I just don’t assume your guy cheats
I understand that you love your team as you should. But do you really think Kentucky is pristine in the world of recruiting in all sports? Certainly UT was until they were reported on by a disgruntled employee.
With NIL all that stuff is off the table, and coupled with the one time transfer deal I predicted bad things would happen in college sports. Time will tell how all of this works out, but the current environment is creating unintended consequences, including some that have not yet manifest themselves.
certainly some college athletes will benefit, but they’re also going to be crash and burn stories along the way too.
I am not saying we are pristine, but I can only go by what has been discovered. And as of now 18 times, shoving cash in a Mcdonalds bag and over 60k. We could assume everyone is dirty, but we could also assume everyone is a murderer or rapist but we could only go by what has been founded and the governing body has told us.
You may have done well against us, but we have never been a football school and against those you should measure yourself against you have been humiliated - Florida-Bama-Georgia and more.
And who knows TN may have been clean up until the last decade or so and it explains the karma, heck we had not beat you in 25 plus years but we now have 3 wins against you one included stomping you at your own place (which I would have never dreamed would happen).
You could just take a humble approach and say we did some things we shouldn't and hopefully we have the right administration to clean things up instead of doing your best to say "well others are not so clean either". You cheated, own it. Same thing happened to us in basketball several years ago and it took a decade or more before returning to power. Like I do not understand the reasoning to come here and say cmon guys it's not that bad?
I encourage you to look up my other posts, especially where I say that in spite of NIL UT broke the existing rules at the time…which was wrong. I’m just not going to repeat the same thing over and over again in the same or different posts.
I also mentioned in a post how the UT administration responded once they became aware of allegations, including doing an internal investigation and hiring outside counsel to head things up.
You will see in the notice from the NCAA that UT did, in fact, respond in an exemplary manner which did not indicate a lack of institutional control.
Trust me, many fans of UT were upset how aggressively the Administration acted once they learned about something being out there. I never understood that, But there was frustration over things like the North Carolina academic scandal and the LSU coach continuing on as he did in light of the allegations that were out there.
Still, I have never made excuses for bad behavior because someone else may have behaved worse, and I did not say that here either. I can only control my actions and that is what I’m accountable for. What someone else may do is on them, but is a contorted mind that thinks they are ok because someone has done the same bad deed or worse.
I won't disagree with the North Carolina and LSU coaching situations being
worse or at least as bad, but this is not the ony thing that has been quite a bit of a stink for UT. The rape allegations and a hostile sexual environment for female students come to mind that were conveniently swept under the rug and throw in the Bruce Pearl BBQs. All these things point to lack of institutional control and what esle was the administration going to do after the fact, they acted as fast as they could so they would only get a slap on the wrist.
I feel like you do a mass search on forums for anything daming to your program and you come and sooth it the best you can incase maybe the NCAA is lurking. This has been an ugly looking program for some time now and most likely the NCAA does nothing, but if they do it is probably deserved. If not you can deal with Karma.
You seem well spoken and at least admitting to some things, but let's not just act like this is just a misdomeaner, it is 18 of them with a history of issues to go along with it. Eventually a judge has to come in swing a gavel.
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The rape allegation and others you speak to are just that, allegations. Any title 9 stuff was far from swept under the rug if you actually followed that stuff at all. I don’t know why you would as a Kentucky fan, but you do you.
If you followed the rape allegation you would know that the football player was found innocent, for good reason.
So what happened to Pearl? he lied about a bbq at his house. The bbq was laughable as far as infractions go, but also frowned upon. Pearl’s problem was lying to the NCAA.
Seriously, you “feel” that someone would do a mass search for something negative about a university and then attempt to smooth it out on message boards?!?! Hahahahahahahaha. Now that would be a patented loser in my book, and I could not even imagine someone who would do that. I truly hope you aren’t exposing what you would do as a KY fan!
As an outsider here, even I think you are insane to come here and say this with a straight face.
Tennessee broke rules trying to gain an advantage. It is *IRRELEVANT* that the rules have changed. Bags of cash are still illegal, are they not?
Sure, NIL is "bags of cash" made legal, but at least now you have to disclose it.
I don't know what should be done. I honestly don't think anything will. I also don't think simply firing people and doing an internal investigation absolves the school of the rules broken.
Yet here you are, in a KY forum. One of us belongs and the other doesn't.
He won't tell tou this, but one of their highly regarded transfer in was also accused of domestic violence, and yeah accuse not convicted, but enough evidence to get him dismissed from his 2nd school, UT will be his 3rd in a little over a year. And yes I am sure he is a model citizen and deserves a 3rd chance. The vols are an excellent choice, he will know how convict orange looks on him, not that he had many options, too many red flags, who pays when he hurts a UT coed?
Fair enough, but at least do a search of my posts today. I have NOT said that it was ok for UT to break rules. I have further said that NIL has nothing to do with what UT did.
The existence of NIL makes penalizing schools for paying players in the past seem a bit silly since legally there is a way to do that, but a violation is a violation.
I suspect that some of your fans would suspect you don’t belong either.
Regardless, you are welcome to search your board and the main board for all of my posts. Good luck with that! đź‘Ť
Your comments are unfounded, but I’m not going to assume all KY fans are like you. Bye.
You came to a Kentucky message board, what were you expecting genius. And Tennessee is universally the worse, you all hype yourselves up and end up finishing 6-6 or 7-5 each year, and your only bragging point is beating Kentucky
NIL was suppose to be for players already in school, specifically states not to be an incentive to attend a particular school. But that has nothing to do with what Pruitt and staff were doing. Pruitt, a rep for UTN was personally handing out cash, the school was paying for and hosting visitors while it wasn't allowed. Pruitt and the others did this while employees on UT. Now for the BS of no players there now were involved, fact is all the upper classes were Pruitt kids and involved except the transfers
Well Kansas just won a national championship when they should have been on probation but evidently other institutions are fine with it cause…………crickets.
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