Subjective But Kansas (MAYBE) Wins 4 SEC Titles From 2004-15

[dlh331]

And the SEC was probably the 4th strongest overall Big 5 conference

2004 UK was #2 in the nation and the overall #1 seed

2005 UK was better than KU

2006 and 2007 Florida was the NCAA Champ (and didn't win the SEC in 2006)

2008 Kansas would have been SEC Champ

2009 Kansas probably wins the SEC

2010 UK was better though KU was very strong

2011 Kansas wins SEC

2012 LOL at Kansas

2013 Kansas may have barely nosed out UF

2014 Florida was best team in the nation

2015 LOL at Kansas

IMO, their record in the ACC or Big 10 would have been even worse.

Darryl

 

[Xception]

I wouldn't concede anything to Kansas , they can hardly win a game against us .

 

[Ron Mehico]

Who cares?

 

[dlh331]

Who cares?

Who cares if you care?

Darryl

 

[MWes11]

(Maybe) they win 8, (Maybe) they win 1. Who knows. Amirite?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

SEC teams love to get up and play Kentucky.. Big12 teams, aside from like K-state, just rolls over for Kansas.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

And the SEC was probably the 4th strongest overall Big 5 conference


2006 and 2007 Florida was the NCAA Champ (and didn't win the SEC in 2006)
2015 LOL at Kansas

IMO, their record in the ACC or Big 10 would have been even worse.

Darryl

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=263290057
(No. 1 Florida forces OT but Kansas holds on for upset)

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

And the SEC was probably the 4th strongest overall Big 5 conference


2005 UK was better than KU


IMO, their record in the ACC or Big 10 would have been even worse.

Darryl

Do you realize that Kansas beat Kentucky in Rupp 65-59 in 2005?
We also beat Kentucky the following year (2006) in Allen 73-46 (27 points).

I think you should do some fact checking.

 

[CELTICAT]

Kansas isn't even the best team in Kansas.

 

[dlh331]

I suspect you are being too generous to Kansas. I won't dispute 2008 or 2009. In 2011, there were TWO SEC teams still playing in the NCAA tournament (Kentucky and Florida) when Kansas bowed out, and that's really the only way to measure head-to-head strength, success at the end of the year in the tournament. In 2013, Florida was in the midst of three straight Elite Eight runs, and had a team that went further in the NCAA tournament than Kansas.

I suspect Kansas would have won the SEC twice during its 'historic' dominance of the Big-12 (Minus Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M)

I like your thoughts better than mine.

Darryl

 

[.S&C.]

The only program to win every championship they have leaving or entering probation. I don't think people realize how crazy that is.


Kansas might have win a few, but the big12 is extremely overrated and weak. I couldn't believe watching teams like Oklahoma state have ratings at top 15 last year while looking no different than LSU. The big12 overcompensates for the media wanting to exclude the sec. It's as single as that. The conference itself is extremely overrated, making Kansas's domination of it overrated as well.

Oklahoma state - almost always overrated.
Texas - has been the most overrated in the country for a while now.
Oklahoma - give them three 4* players, and the polls give them top 10.

It's actually a conference that's below the SEC in power and depth IMO, But you won't hear that.

 

[khuff80]

SEC teams love to get up and play Kentucky.. Big12 teams, aside from like K-state, just rolls over for Kansas.

Really?!?!??!

OSU doesn't win practically every time in Stillwater?

Do you not remember KU BARELY surviving Texas Tech in Lubbock when Wiggins had to win the game in the final secs.?

ISU's been pretty succesful in Ames against them.

OU beat 'em in Norman 2 of the past 3 seasons.

UT ended that 70 or so home-court winning streak after KU went up 15 early that game after Thomas Robinson's Mom had passed.

WVU won that thriller last year where had Perry Ellis converted that breakaway lay-in KU would've won.

Baylor TROUNCED them a couple seasons back when Pierre Jackson lit them up.

 

[Xception]

Kansas isn't even the best team in Kansas.

Shut it down , turn it off .

 

[khuff80]

Shut it down , turn it off .

**Yeah, nice one.

UK would've ALSO been killed by Wichita State with the deplorable reffing in that one. Anything inside - tweet foul on Kansas - with UK being bigger and tougher would've been even more difficult for them.

Meanwhile, KU on offense? Go inside - get hammered - suddenly it's as if the whistle was f'in' SWALLOWED!

 

[hokie_jayhawk]

I suspect you are being too generous to Kansas. I won't dispute 2008 or 2009. In 2011, there were TWO SEC teams still playing in the NCAA tournament (Kentucky and Florida) when Kansas bowed out, and that's really the only way to measure head-to-head strength, success at the end of the year in the tournament. In 2013, Florida was in the midst of three straight Elite Eight runs, and had a team that went further in the NCAA tournament than Kansas.
)

Because postseason play is the best measure of regular season success?

In what world does that make sense?

 

[dlh331]

Personally, I think regular season success means a lot and that is why I don't consider UConn in the upper tier programs of this decade (2010-15). I would rank KU as the 3rd most successful program of this decade behind #1 UK and #2 Duke.

Darryl

 

[Tampa_cat54]

**Yeah, nice one.

UK would've ALSO been killed by Wichita State with the deplorable reffing in that one. Anything inside - tweet foul on Kansas - with UK being bigger and tougher would've been even more difficult for them.

Meanwhile, KU on offense? Go inside - get hammered - suddenly it's as if the whistle was f'in' SWALLOWED!

Did you just say that Wichita State would have killed us last season?!

 

[dlh331]

Did you just say that Wichita State would have killed us last season?!

I seriously worry about Kansas fans. The dust out there must cause irreversible brain damage; dumbest bunch as a group
one could imagine......well, except for the UL idiots.

Darryl

 

[MSU129]

I seriously worry about Kansas fans. The dust out there must cause irreversible brain damage; dumbest bunch as a group
one could imagine......well, except for the UL idiots.

Darryl

I'm not sure how bad WSU beat them, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't by over 30 which we did.

 

[Alumni Gym]

Kansas fans talk about history all the time, but then they lose to a mid-major in the 1st or 2nd Round of the NCAA Tournament.

And here's a little reminder for the Kansas Trolls:

Kentucky holds an all time series advantage over Kansas in Allen (Wonder Bread) Fieldhouse. Plus, the game this season will be held in January, not November. I guess, in a way, that might be good for you, as we seem to spank your redleg ass in November (see last year). Let's all hope you won't just run out of time. That would be tragic.

22-6

8-3

 

[At least 23 Ws in 22 of past 35 seasons_UK 1980-81]

And the SEC was probably the 4th strongest overall Big 5 conference

2004 UK was #2 in the nation and the overall #1 seed

2005 UK was better than KU

2006 and 2007 Florida was the NCAA Champ (and didn't win the SEC in 2006)

2008 Kansas would have been SEC Champ

2009 Kansas probably wins the SEC

2010 UK was better though KU was very strong

2011 Kansas wins SEC

2012 LOL at Kansas

2013 Kansas may have barely nosed out UF

2014 Florida was best team in the nation

2015 LOL at Kansas

IMO, their record in the ACC or Big 10 would have been even worse.

Darryl

Can't disagree too much with your assessments there, although 2007 Kansas actually beat 2007 Florida on a neutral court, and, as outstanding as 2010 Kentucky was, imo, 2010 Kansas was quite a bit better offensively, and about the same defensively. 2010 KU played a statistically tougher schedule than 2010 UK, and KU's offense and overall KenPom score was ranked higher than UK's (and their offense was ranked quite a bit higher). 2010 Northern Iowa, in the ncaa tourney vs ku, had two dudes play absolutey out of their minds (even the 270 lb center was raining threes) (sorta like the "three-raining" UCLA did in 2007 to beat KU, in front of a home crowd -- when KU, as a 1-seed, for some reason, had to go to all the way to california to play 2-seed ucla). (ps, UK's 3-pt. follies vs WVU were nearly identical to KU's vs. VCU.)

Note:

Ku: 20 of 25 (missed 5) reg-season conf. 'ships, btw '91 and 2015, including 11 in-a-row, and 13 of past-14.

Uk: 20 of 26 (missed 6) reg-season conf. 'ships, btw '32 and 1958.

Uk: 17 of 25 (missed 8) reg-season conf. 'ships, btw '62 and 1986.

Uk: 9 reg-season conf. 'ships, in-a-row, btw '44 and 1952.

 

[Alumni Gym]

Can't disagree too much with your assessments there, although 2007 Kansas actually beat 2007 Florida on a neutral court, and, as outstanding as 2010 Kentucky was, imo, 2010 Kansas was quite a bit better offensively, and about the same defensively. 2010 KU played a statistically tougher schedule than 2010 UK, and KU's offense and overall KenPom score was ranked higher than UK's (and their offense was ranked quite a bit higher). 2010 Northern Iowa, in the ncaa tourney vs ku, had two dudes play absolutey out of their minds (even the 270 lb center was raining threes) (sorta like the "three-raining" UCLA did in 2007 to beat KU, in front of a home crowd -- when KU, as a 1-seed, yet for some reason, had to go to all the way to california to play 2-seed ucla). (ps, UK's 3-pt. follies vs WVU were nearly identical to KU's vs. VCU.)

Note:

Ku: 20 of 25 (missed 5) reg-season conf. 'ships, btw '91 and 2015, including 11 in-a-row, and 13 of past-14.

Uk: 20 of 26 (missed 6) reg-season conf. 'ships, btw '32 and 1958.

Uk: 17 of 25 (missed 8) reg-season conf. 'ships, btw '62 and 1986.

Uk: 9 reg-season conf. 'ships, in-a-row, btw '44 and 1952.

8-3

22-6

End of debate, KU troll.

 

[Xception]

**Yeah, nice one.

UK would've ALSO been killed by Wichita State with the deplorable reffing in that one. Anything inside - tweet foul on Kansas - with UK being bigger and tougher would've been even more difficult for them.

Meanwhile, KU on offense? Go inside - get hammered - suddenly it's as if the whistle was f'in' SWALLOWED!

We beat Witchita State when they were undefeated and good , we beat Kansas whenever the touch we feel like it .

 

[DickintheHam]

Who cares?

Agreed, but you don't understand how obsessed the OP is with Kansas.

 

[JohnBlue_]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=263290057
(No. 1 Florida forces OT but Kansas holds on for upset)

"Just 10 days after losing to Oral Roberts -- and 24 hours after struggling to beat Ball State"

 

[reddickulis81]

Do you realize that Kansas beat Kentucky in Rupp 65-59 in 2005?
We also beat Kentucky the following year (2006) in Allen 73-46 (27 points).

I think you should do some fact checking.

Here is a fact. This is a kentucky board.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Do you realize that Kansas beat Kentucky in Rupp 65-59 in 2005?
We also beat Kentucky the following year (2006) in Allen 73-46 (27 points).

I think you should do some fact checking.

Do YOU realize that we clean your clocks just about every time we play??

And that we're 7-4 all time in Allen, and 7-1 against KU all-time in Rupp?

 

[reddickulis81]

Do YOU realize that we clean your clocks just about every time we play??

And that we're 7-4 all time in Allen, and 7-1 against KU all-time in Rupp?

Dayum! Now that's another fact. Hell ya good point man.Kansas smh!

 

[Federal Cat]

Would like to see them have some competition in their conference on a regular basis, it's a cakewalk for them to win their conference title every year, not for long with Texas new coach and the Shockers success the last couple years

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

"Just 10 days after losing to Oral Roberts -- and 24 hours after struggling to beat Ball State"

Ouch.

 

[Hoskins91]

Are we replacing Kentucky with Kansas, or just adding Kansas to the SEC?

I understand that for Jayhawk fans, admitting that actually winning in the NCAA tournament is crucial to a program's prestige would be to acknowledge your program's persistent failures, but to the rest of the world it matters more than regular season wins over Texas Tech and Kansas State or Helms Banners awarded 25 years after the fact.

That's still not a good indicator of who is actually a better team unless they actually played each other in the tournament. If a team has a significantly worse regular season record but made it an extra round or two in the tournament, I don't think that is a clear indication of superiority.

 

[Hoskins91]

Are we adding Kansas to the SEC, or are we replacing Kentucky with Kansas?

 

[Xception]

I look for a condiment company to retroactively award Kentucky every Big 12 title , we will not hang a banner for them but if we did it would say Heinz on the touching thing .

 

[IL Wildcat]

I have no problem giving Kansas credit for what they've done in their conference. It's a big deal and should be respected. But a quick look at how many Big12 teams have made the Final Four since the expansion of the tourney (1985) and how many SEC teams have done the same will tell you that the SEC has been more successful in the modern era. Even looking at the last 10 years is very telling. Looking at championships will lead to the same conclusion. The SEC has been a better conference than the Big12 all along, and still is.

Since the expansion of the NCAA-T in 1985, who has the most Final Fours?
ACC-26
SEC- 20
P12- 16
B12- 14
B10- 11
BigEast- 10
AAC- 10

What about the last 10 years?
ACC- 8
SEC- 8
B10- 8
PAC12- 5
B12- 4
AAC- 4

Who has the most titles since 1985?
ACC- 10
SEC- 6
AAC- 6
B10- 3
B12- 2
PAC12- 2
BE- 1

Who has most titles in last 10 years?
ACC- 4
SEC- 3
AAC- 3 (UConn)
B12- 1
B1G- 0
PAC12- 0
Big East- 0

If the NCAA-T has any bearing on this argument, these numbers should matter. The SEC has 6 more Final Fours since 1985 and 4 more in the last 10 years. (that means that the gap may be widening) The SEC has 4 more titles since 1985 and 2 more in the last 10 years. No matter how you look at it, if postseason success means anything (and it's the ONLY thing that means anything in college basketball- Final Fours and Titles), then to think that the Big12 champ would just roll through the SEC every year is not supported by the data. I'm certainly not saying that Kansas wouldn't have won the conference a couple times, but from a statistical standpoint the case is difficult to make.

Also, I'm wondering if we're assuming UK is out of the SEC for this hypothetical or not? If UK is still in the league, it would make a huge difference in several of those years.