Stoops willing to help fund NIL. Interesting or Alarming
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Both.
Someone, somewhere, like Matt Jones, could do a lot by telling me where to mail a check today!!
Alarming.
We're on the edge of losing Stoops/Marrow
We're on the edge of losing Stoops/Marrow
It doesn’t get much clearer than this:
“However, if we don’t, then all that work I’ve done for nine years and am running 10 is out the window,” he said. “We are going to be blown away.”
Ouch!
It all starts at the top, Mitch needs to wake up or leave!
I really thought he'd end his career here until our failures at the NIL game became obvious.
Definitely alarming. There would be no need for a statement like this if he felt like he had total support from the administration, IMO. Some ppl point to Marrow’s positive comments about MB, to dispel any worries. But, what do you expect him to say to the media? He’s not gonna publicly criticize his boss, in that regard. But, they’ve continually made it clear that, at the very least, they are concerned about NIL & are possibly hinting that their hands might be tied, if you read between the lines.
And, I really don’t think Matt Jones would’ve gone all in on calling out MB unless he had a legit reason to do so. SOMEBODY had to have told him SOMETHING. When a coach resorts to saying he’d use his own $ to pay kids, it sure sounds like somebody who’s at the end of their rope & not getting the support they need. There have been way too many veiled comments & pleas for $ to not think that there is a rift somewhere, or, that something isn’t adding up. Could be aimed at boosters or businesses, I suppose. But, my $ is on MB, being the problem.
And, I really don’t think Matt Jones would’ve gone all in on calling out MB unless he had a legit reason to do so. SOMEBODY had to have told him SOMETHING. When a coach resorts to saying he’d use his own $ to pay kids, it sure sounds like somebody who’s at the end of their rope & not getting the support they need. There have been way too many veiled comments & pleas for $ to not think that there is a rift somewhere, or, that something isn’t adding up. Could be aimed at boosters or businesses, I suppose. But, my $ is on MB, being the problem.
Oh this is perfectly fine. It's all going great.
Our coach realizes UKs NIL approaches are so fine, he gives an interview offering to fund them himself. Barnhart's handcuffs are going so fine Stoops had to go on statewide radio begging boosters to do something....but he couldn't say what.
Yes, this is all fine, please cut copy & repast your same rerun defense of Barnhart. Y'all know who I'm talking about. Yup, all going just peachy keen.
Our coach realizes UKs NIL approaches are so fine, he gives an interview offering to fund them himself. Barnhart's handcuffs are going so fine Stoops had to go on statewide radio begging boosters to do something....but he couldn't say what.
Yes, this is all fine, please cut copy & repast your same rerun defense of Barnhart. Y'all know who I'm talking about. Yup, all going just peachy keen.
I heard part of Sankey’s speech today. He was clear that NIL was not intended for paying for recruits before arriving. Said he met specifically with FB coaches and told them, “Things will never be the same, but things do not have to be like they are today.”
I interpreted his speech as a hard line in the sand about paying for recruits. Now, it will be interesting to see how they enforce it. He’s wanting government and NCAA to help create parameters. They’re both useless in this new NIL mess. He doesn’t want SEC schools to be behind Big 10 and some other schools, but I think he’s putting pressure on schools to use NIL for current players on the current roster.
Adidas is propping up UL in their attempt to salvage an ACC school while hurting a Nike/in state rival.
UK fortunately has the roster depth to deal with this for ONE recruiting cycle. Stoops will not stick around long if he’s not on a level recruiting field with peers. (In-state and out of conference.) UK is the exact kind of program I think Sankey wants to protect. Adding another SEC school to the potential 5-6 programs in the conference that has chance to win 10 games on regular basis would be a feather in his hat. Sure, Okla and Tx are joining the conference. But, he would love for UK (or any historically bottom tier SEC program) to become a regular top 10-15 program with chance at SEC championship game once every 4-5 yrs.
Listen to Sankey’s speech today. He doesn’t like the way NIL is being used. What they do to protect SEC against other conferences while trying to get SEC schools to abide by spirit of the rule waits to be seen. TxAM & Tenn are starving to become relevant and passing out $ for recruits that won’t even be on scout team. TxAM is petrified of Tx getting back to relevance. Tn has been kicked by Ala for the last 12 years and live in fear of every SEC east team passing them. I doubt Sankey can prevent these boosters from printing free $, creating collectives and handing it out to recruits before they ever put on a helmet.
Mitch will have to make decision within one year whether to join the collective recruiting lottery or get passed up by the programs that do. The thought of congress or NCAA stepping in makes me snort my drink out my nose.
I interpreted his speech as a hard line in the sand about paying for recruits. Now, it will be interesting to see how they enforce it. He’s wanting government and NCAA to help create parameters. They’re both useless in this new NIL mess. He doesn’t want SEC schools to be behind Big 10 and some other schools, but I think he’s putting pressure on schools to use NIL for current players on the current roster.
Adidas is propping up UL in their attempt to salvage an ACC school while hurting a Nike/in state rival.
UK fortunately has the roster depth to deal with this for ONE recruiting cycle. Stoops will not stick around long if he’s not on a level recruiting field with peers. (In-state and out of conference.) UK is the exact kind of program I think Sankey wants to protect. Adding another SEC school to the potential 5-6 programs in the conference that has chance to win 10 games on regular basis would be a feather in his hat. Sure, Okla and Tx are joining the conference. But, he would love for UK (or any historically bottom tier SEC program) to become a regular top 10-15 program with chance at SEC championship game once every 4-5 yrs.
Listen to Sankey’s speech today. He doesn’t like the way NIL is being used. What they do to protect SEC against other conferences while trying to get SEC schools to abide by spirit of the rule waits to be seen. TxAM & Tenn are starving to become relevant and passing out $ for recruits that won’t even be on scout team. TxAM is petrified of Tx getting back to relevance. Tn has been kicked by Ala for the last 12 years and live in fear of every SEC east team passing them. I doubt Sankey can prevent these boosters from printing free $, creating collectives and handing it out to recruits before they ever put on a helmet.
Mitch will have to make decision within one year whether to join the collective recruiting lottery or get passed up by the programs that do. The thought of congress or NCAA stepping in makes me snort my drink out my nose.
Noone likes how it's used but unfortunately it doesn't change anything.
No way teams will stop. They can't. They can't beat the prisoner's dilemma because schools outside the sec would just continue.
I agree. That’s Sankey’s fear and why he wants congress or NCAA to step in. (Both are not interested or even capable or stopping this runaway train.)
I think Sankey’s last grasp will be to form an alliance with Big 10. Both conferences agree on NIL money, then break away from NCAA and have their own separate 10 - 12 team playoff. It would kill NCAA football and be a television gold mine. 9 conference games, 2 inner conference games, plus each school schedule 1 non conference game of their choice.
I don't think the NCAA can step in. The last ruling made it pretty clear they had no authority on this matter. Doubt Congress will do anything. At least they shouldn't because it really shouldn't be any of their concern. Of course through history they love grandstanding on sports issues, so they might.
I agree on the major conferences just telling the NCAA to piss off and forming their own new alliance. The NCAA is literally worthless right now other than to siphon money off the top on some major licensing deals. Still....don't know how the new alliance would have any more authority than the NCAA per the court ruling.
I think this is just it until/unless the market corrects itself.
Email these guys. They will tell you where to mail the check
Info@athleteadvantage.xyz
That is UK’s collective.
I think he SCourt statement was about “preventing players from being able to make money.” I don’t think NCAA/Conferences/Schools should prevent a player from making $ from their image or when they’re the reason schools are making millions from their television contracts.
I do think conferences can collectively bargain caps and when the money is paid. (Similar to NFL and other leagues.) I am not huge fan of college getting treated like pros, but that train left the station a long time ago.
Sankey doesn’t want to pay incoming recruits, but he doesn’t want to collectively bargain himself into position of being behind other conferences. SEC is the dominant and most lucrative conference. My fear is they put pressure on most AD’s to keep “spirit of NIL” while turning a blind eye to historically top 10 teams so SEC can maintain football dominance.
Someone is going to get slapped hard for paying for recruits to make example of them. We all know it will not be the big football schools.
I like MB and think he has done excellent job. (This will be only statement some people read ;- ). However, I do think he should give this thing until Nov to see how it plays out. After that, he needs to ignore Sankey and give Stoops/Marrow green light to play in the gray areas like many others. We have depth to one recruiting cycle and will still have a decent class this year. BUT, Stoops has proven he has ability and strategy to get UK to top of SEC east. He must have equal ground to sustain the program and help it continue current direction.
The dicta in that case was pretty clear that student athletes shouldn't be treated differently from non student athletes. That would include any restrictions or cap on earnings. It was the right decision because it really was unjust to hinder earning ability of only one set of students.
There can't be collective bargaining unless there is a union that every single athlete voluntarily joins. In pro environment, that's pretty easy because that's part of the draft paperwork. If they don't agree, they can't be drafted and won't be playing. For college, it just isn't possible.
The only possibility would be for individual leagues for each sport in hopes of getting schools to agree that each scholarship is contingent upon an acceptance of the membership of this union who collectively bargains on the student athletes' behalf. That is very likely either but at least it's a path forward
Pandora's box has been opened, NIL will destroy college football as we know it. They already had free housing, free apparel, preferential treatment and a free education and could leave anytime after 3 years. Not to mention a lot of other perks the common student will never see or get. Money and greed is the root of all evil.
I’m not an attorney. You sound more educated on the topic of NIL & contracts than me. @The-Hack and possibly others are contract attorneys. Your post reads like you also are very knowledgeable regarding contracts.
I’m a pragmatist, thus I think there has to be a legal way to enforce what NIL was intended to be. Ironically, I just heard Saban’s comments while driving. He used the phrase “some schools are using NIL to INDUCE recruits instead of REWARD current players.” He admits Ala is in position to do both, but doesn’t think NIL is intended to induce recruits. (I’m guessing he will do both until there’s clarity and punishment for using $ to induce recruits.) I’m also going out on a limb to predict Sankey will not punish Ala and use them as the poster child for what Not to Do!
I do agree with your assessment that decision will have to be made on conference level, thus making every recruit who commits to a conference school contractually aware of their potential income streams. Sankey won’t make this decision until he has another major conference ready to announce it on same day. (Has to be the Big 10) They then form their own alliance and break away from NCAA. (Just my guess, and I think it doesn’t happen until 2025) Tx and Okla are in SEC and I suspect ND will join Big 10 to be part of the 2 conference playoff system that will immediately surpass CFP.
that interview is over a month old... Stoops was on KSR a few weeks after those statements...
just not reported on or published
Thx for clarity. When Stoops made the statement is very important. I interpreted OP as him making the statement this week.
And the SEC/Big Ten will be in court facing Jeffrey Kessler .... That is a losing battle ... he is the best in the business and was the attorney that argued the Alston vs NCAA case that opened NIL 9-0 Ruling in his favor btw and right now on the NFL Level his work is going to get Cleveland Browns QB DeShaun Watson off with a much lighter suspension-(if he is suspended).
Not sure about BFE Tech but there are plenty of power schools that would scoop him up in a NY sec.
I think UK will get a hold on things soon enough but Im still unsure if BBN will be able to keep up with the major players of NIL. Im hopeful but only time will tell.
Not sure there’s any damage when limiting NIL for reward/pay for play. That is what NIL is intended to do. It is being abused by some as inducement to play.
No company can force employees to work for free. (That is gist of SC statement.) I agree with this decision for college players. However, SC cannot force any business to give out sign-on bonuses before work is performed. Inducements for recruits is similar to sign-on bonus. Rewarding existing players is like paying wages that are deserved.
I don’t dispute lawsuits are possible, but as long as existing players are able to earn money from their image then no damage is done to the player. Inducements are sign-on bonuses before any income is created.
Well reasoned, but here’s the rub.
Virtually all industries, at the very top, have lucrative contracts and sign-on bonuses.
So the question is not so much whether the SC can force any business to give sign on bonuses, but whether conferences/schools can prevent it, when it is a major force in most if not all industries.
Heck, colleges give similar benefits to the very top scholarship students and top professors (though not as lucrative).
Read Justice Kavanaugh concurrence on Alston vs. NCAA ... The NCAA or any Conference does not want that smoke. That was one of the reasons why Sankey went to Congress -(and got rebuff by them). Kavanaugh wanted to go even further than the initial ruling. He basically called College Athletics a walking Anti Trust Violated ... and what you’re advocating is a Anti Trust Violation
Fair point.
I like MB and think he’s doing a good job. I also assume he knows more about NIL than fans will ever begin to know. If there is not a realistic expectation that inducements are ending soon, then he needs to give green light to Stoops. Additionally, he needs to build a team of people who explore every creative possibility for a UK collective. Every school can create a collective, but states like Ky will require creative and out of the box ideas.
Again, I think existing football depth allows them some time to see how this shakes out. I also think this year’s class will be in the 20-30 range. But, decision needs to be made by early Nov if they’re going to join the inducement world of recruiting. This gives Stoops time to pull a couple surprises in Dec, or make decision to take another job. I’m guessing Stoops will make his decision to stay/leave by early Nov.
It’s all guesswork, but I think, at worst, Stoops will be here next season if he can still pull a Class ranked 20-30, and it looks like progress is being made on the NIL front during the Fall, Spring, and Summer leading up to ‘23.
I can see him leaving, but not in a knee-jerk fashion, unless we see a catastrophic loss of current players to the portal in search of NIL money.
