Kentucky Head Coach Mark Stoops Undergoes Offseason Surgery
Following the conclusion of the 2024 Kentucky football season, head coach Mark Stoops had to go under the knife.
Stoops undergoes surgery
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Poor guy, hope he recovers to make another 9m per year
Read somewhere else that he was as having his head pulled out of his butt! Either way, I hope for a quick recovery! Go Cats!!!
Maybe they will inject some coaching ability into a vein and hope it takes.
Surgery of any kind is nothing to joke about. Whatever you think of Stoops" coaching, this is not the way to express it.
CMS makes 9.1m a year and that's a real sticking point with everyone. But at the time everyone wanted the big cintract with buyout because of concerns other programs coming after him. Been a rough couple years for sure, but his salary is an agreed amount and approved by UK administration. But ultimately CMS is to blame, he heard fans wanted a more offensive based team, more points that it wasn't happy winning game 17-10, it wanted higher scoring games and he gave in. If he had stuck to his guns would likely still be winning 8-10 games.
When they put those boots on your legs, hit you with that anesthesia, best sleep ever.
Thanks, Grumpy.
I posted this a couple of times on the HOB and will put it here:
Stoops signed this contract everybody is griping about on November 11, 2022.... one day before the Vanderbilt game. At the time, we were sitting at 6-3, expected to beat Vanderbilt and Louisville, and lose to Georgia to finish out the regular season.
The year prior, we went 10-3 with yet another bowl win.
Kentucky football fans have been griping for years that we need to "pay our staff like we are a football school!" That's what we did, especially the way Stoops was doing at the time of the contract.
Now that we have done and and have slipped some, the same Kentucky fans are blasting the contract.
In context (kind of an important aspect of discussing things), it was a great move at the time and when he signed it. For whatever reason, we go 7-6, 7-6, and 4-8 (which happens to align up with NIL... not saying NIL is an issue, but is it? Or is it just coincidence?).
Stoops is a hard nosed coach, and this catering to players when things don't go their way is hard to take with a mentality like that.If the players don't get their way, just go somewhere else. They don't like the money they are getting? Just go somewhere else.
The game has drastically changed since 2013 and that is precisely why we lost one of the best ever in Nick Saban. I remember NS saying, "It used to be when the season was over and you met with players, they would ask, 'How do I get more time, Coach?' Now it's, 'How do I get more money, Ccoach?'" So, we lost a legend.
It is not like Stoops forgot how to coach. I think what happened from my viewpoint is the NIL got to be overwhelming for him, the crazy changes, and he just wasn't able to adapt or handle it very well.
Would this have been a good time to leave? Possibly. Does he deserve another year to make it right? I believe so.
He's got the most wins per year on average than any coach we've ever had, as many 10-win seasons in 6 years than all of our coaches combined in our "illustrious" history, 8 straight bowl games, etc.
Please spare the "SEC was down" argument.... he still had to play the games and had to win. I remember sitting in Commonwealth with my dad in the early 80's and watched us get beat by Miami, OH. I was there in 2004 when we lost to Ohio. So the "weak" SEC argument doesn't really work for me. Just thought I would throw that in there before someone brought it up like they did on HOB. ;-)
"I got us into this, and I'm going to get us out of it." Coach Mark Stoops
I hope he's right as I will be behind the blue!
Winning games consistently in the 17 - 10 range was fine. I think the unhappiness started when we started losing those same games consistently in the 24 - 17 range.
There's paying your staff and then there's placing huge buyouts on the contract that hamstrings you. Stoops has never been a good x and o coach. He relied on "chip on our shoulder" attitude to win games. What has changed is UK admin was slow on NIL and Stoops didn't know how to lobby for it without insulting his current roster. I'll die on the hill that the roving band of OC's has certainly put one foot in the grave for Stoops at UK.Thanks, Grumpy.
I posted this a couple of times on the HOB and will put it here:
Stoops signed this contract everybody is griping about on November 11, 2022.... one day before the Vanderbilt game. At the time, we were sitting at 6-3, expected to beat Vanderbilt and Louisville, and lose to Georgia to finish out the regular season.
The year prior, we went 10-3 with yet another bowl win.
Kentucky football fans have been griping for years that we need to "pay our staff like we are a football school!" That's what we did, especially the way Stoops was doing at the time of the contract.
Now that we have done and and have slipped some, the same Kentucky fans are blasting the contract.
In context (kind of an important aspect of discussing things), it was a great move at the time and when he signed it. For whatever reason, we go 7-6, 7-6, and 4-8 (which happens to align up with NIL... not saying NIL is an issue, but is it? Or is it just coincidence?).
Stoops is a hard nosed coach, and this catering to players when things don't go their way is hard to take with a mentality like that.If the players don't get their way, just go somewhere else. They don't like the money they are getting? Just go somewhere else.
The game has drastically changed since 2013 and that is precisely why we lost one of the best ever in Nick Saban. I remember NS saying, "It used to be when the season was over and you met with players, they would ask, 'How do I get more time, Coach?' Now it's, 'How do I get more money, Ccoach?'" So, we lost a legend.
It is not like Stoops forgot how to coach. I think what happened from my viewpoint is the NIL got to be overwhelming for him, the crazy changes, and he just wasn't able to adapt or handle it very well.
Would this have been a good time to leave? Possibly. Does he deserve another year to make it right? I believe so.
He's got the most wins per year on average than any coach we've ever had, as many 10-win seasons in 6 years than all of our coaches combined in our "illustrious" history, 8 straight bowl games, etc.
Please spare the "SEC was down" argument.... he still had to play the games and had to win. I remember sitting in Commonwealth with my dad in the early 80's and watched us get beat by Miami, OH. I was there in 2004 when we lost to Ohio. So the "weak" SEC argument doesn't really work for me. Just thought I would throw that in there before someone brought it up like they did on HOB. ;-)
"I got us into this, and I'm going to get us out of it." Coach Mark Stoops
I hope he's right as I will be behind the blue!
We could have paid him without the big buyout.
I don’t know of any uk fan but Mitch that wanted that contract With the ridiculous buyout and extension. Those were Mitch’s words in your second sentence. Don’t blame the fans. We had nothing to do with it. He had just lost to Vandy and SC at home. Get outta here with that stuff Grumpy.
Earlier today I had a total knee replacement. Not the end of the world these days with the advancements in the area. Still, 2-6 weeks of pretty heavy recovery activities.
You failed to mention this "slide" also coincided with CMS personal problems.Thanks, Grumpy.
I posted this a couple of times on the HOB and will put it here:
Stoops signed this contract everybody is griping about on November 11, 2022.... one day before the Vanderbilt game. At the time, we were sitting at 6-3, expected to beat Vanderbilt and Louisville, and lose to Georgia to finish out the regular season.
The year prior, we went 10-3 with yet another bowl win.
Kentucky football fans have been griping for years that we need to "pay our staff like we are a football school!" That's what we did, especially the way Stoops was doing at the time of the contract.
Now that we have done and and have slipped some, the same Kentucky fans are blasting the contract.
In context (kind of an important aspect of discussing things), it was a great move at the time and when he signed it. For whatever reason, we go 7-6, 7-6, and 4-8 (which happens to align up with NIL... not saying NIL is an issue, but is it? Or is it just coincidence?).
Stoops is a hard nosed coach, and this catering to players when things don't go their way is hard to take with a mentality like that.If the players don't get their way, just go somewhere else. They don't like the money they are getting? Just go somewhere else.
The game has drastically changed since 2013 and that is precisely why we lost one of the best ever in Nick Saban. I remember NS saying, "It used to be when the season was over and you met with players, they would ask, 'How do I get more time, Coach?' Now it's, 'How do I get more money, Ccoach?'" So, we lost a legend.
It is not like Stoops forgot how to coach. I think what happened from my viewpoint is the NIL got to be overwhelming for him, the crazy changes, and he just wasn't able to adapt or handle it very well.
Would this have been a good time to leave? Possibly. Does he deserve another year to make it right? I believe so.
He's got the most wins per year on average than any coach we've ever had, as many 10-win seasons in 6 years than all of our coaches combined in our "illustrious" history, 8 straight bowl games, etc.
Please spare the "SEC was down" argument.... he still had to play the games and had to win. I remember sitting in Commonwealth with my dad in the early 80's and watched us get beat by Miami, OH. I was there in 2004 when we lost to Ohio. So the "weak" SEC argument doesn't really work for me. Just thought I would throw that in there before someone brought it up like they did on HOB. ;-)
"I got us into this, and I'm going to get us out of it." Coach Mark Stoops
I hope he's right as I will be behind the blue!
That is no coincidence.
I know his personal life is nobody’s business, but sure am curious what lead to that divorce and his wife and kids moving off to Colorado. I know the whole Stoops knocked up a coed garbage back a few years ago was rumor cooked up by some UT fans or something, but he was forced to address it as nonsense. His divorce wasn’t all that long after. So I do wonder if there was some infidelity on one or the others part that hasn’t been disclosed or if it was just not wanting the lifestyle and such being a coaches wife.
And pretty closely with the death of Schlarman and the departure of Sumrall.
Stoops and the program took a lot of hits from 2020-2022.
This surgery is the first success for Stoops since the Ole miss win.
The pay isn't even close to the problem, it's that monstrous buyout that allows him to fail without repercussion. That is on Mitch. Giving that kind of cushion to someone is a bonehead maneuver no matter what profession they are in. It takes away all of the incentive to perform, and the results are clear.
Does he deserve another year? No. Coaches get fired for less every year. Will he get one? Yes.
Also he did benefit from a down SEC and I cannot see any way that fact can be disputed. Look at the records and see the evidence for yourself.
Also this: Sorry folks. The numbers don't lie.
Does he deserve another year? No. Coaches get fired for less every year. Will he get one? Yes.
Also he did benefit from a down SEC and I cannot see any way that fact can be disputed. Look at the records and see the evidence for yourself.
Also this: Sorry folks. The numbers don't lie.
The fans wanted a more high power offense simple because the Georgias amd Bamas went to a high scoring offense.
UK would never ever be able to compete at the top of the conference with that ground and pound mentality.
Generational talents like Snell and Rodriguez helped uk climb to that 2nd level below the Bamas.
But if UK was ever going to acquire top level talent to compete, UK needs to a high power offense.
Stoops just can't fathom running this type of system.
No one cares about his contract amount. Everyone feels he is not earning it. One way or the other fans are paying that bill.
No one cares about him having a buyout. Everyone cares that the amount is 40 million dollars that again, the fans ultimately pay.
The worst part is when she yanks that catheter out, good luck.
It’s hard for me to believe anybody believes what you’ve just written. Your post is so out there that I won’t even argue.Thanks, Grumpy.
I posted this a couple of times on the HOB and will put it here:
Stoops signed this contract everybody is griping about on November 11, 2022.... one day before the Vanderbilt game. At the time, we were sitting at 6-3, expected to beat Vanderbilt and Louisville, and lose to Georgia to finish out the regular season.
The year prior, we went 10-3 with yet another bowl win.
Kentucky football fans have been griping for years that we need to "pay our staff like we are a football school!" That's what we did, especially the way Stoops was doing at the time of the contract.
Now that we have done and and have slipped some, the same Kentucky fans are blasting the contract.
In context (kind of an important aspect of discussing things), it was a great move at the time and when he signed it. For whatever reason, we go 7-6, 7-6, and 4-8 (which happens to align up with NIL... not saying NIL is an issue, but is it? Or is it just coincidence?).
Stoops is a hard nosed coach, and this catering to players when things don't go their way is hard to take with a mentality like that.If the players don't get their way, just go somewhere else. They don't like the money they are getting? Just go somewhere else.
The game has drastically changed since 2013 and that is precisely why we lost one of the best ever in Nick Saban. I remember NS saying, "It used to be when the season was over and you met with players, they would ask, 'How do I get more time, Coach?' Now it's, 'How do I get more money, Ccoach?'" So, we lost a legend.
It is not like Stoops forgot how to coach. I think what happened from my viewpoint is the NIL got to be overwhelming for him, the crazy changes, and he just wasn't able to adapt or handle it very well.
Would this have been a good time to leave? Possibly. Does he deserve another year to make it right? I believe so.
He's got the most wins per year on average than any coach we've ever had, as many 10-win seasons in 6 years than all of our coaches combined in our "illustrious" history, 8 straight bowl games, etc.
Please spare the "SEC was down" argument.... he still had to play the games and had to win. I remember sitting in Commonwealth with my dad in the early 80's and watched us get beat by Miami, OH. I was there in 2004 when we lost to Ohio. So the "weak" SEC argument doesn't really work for me. Just thought I would throw that in there before someone brought it up like they did on HOB. ;-)
"I got us into this, and I'm going to get us out of it." Coach Mark Stoops
I hope he's right as I will be behind the blue!
But one question. Why do y’all always bring up that he’s the winningest coach in the programs history but never the fact that he’s also lost the most games and has a losing record? Just wondering.
The vast majority of UK fans I know are proud of having a top ten paid football coach.Thanks, Grumpy.
I posted this a couple of times on the HOB and will put it here:
Stoops signed this contract everybody is griping about on November 11, 2022.... one day before the Vanderbilt game. At the time, we were sitting at 6-3, expected to beat Vanderbilt and Louisville, and lose to Georgia to finish out the regular season.
The year prior, we went 10-3 with yet another bowl win.
Kentucky football fans have been griping for years that we need to "pay our staff like we are a football school!" That's what we did, especially the way Stoops was doing at the time of the contract.
Now that we have done and and have slipped some, the same Kentucky fans are blasting the contract.
In context (kind of an important aspect of discussing things), it was a great move at the time and when he signed it. For whatever reason, we go 7-6, 7-6, and 4-8 (which happens to align up with NIL... not saying NIL is an issue, but is it? Or is it just coincidence?).
Stoops is a hard nosed coach, and this catering to players when things don't go their way is hard to take with a mentality like that.If the players don't get their way, just go somewhere else. They don't like the money they are getting? Just go somewhere else.
The game has drastically changed since 2013 and that is precisely why we lost one of the best ever in Nick Saban. I remember NS saying, "It used to be when the season was over and you met with players, they would ask, 'How do I get more time, Coach?' Now it's, 'How do I get more money, Ccoach?'" So, we lost a legend.
It is not like Stoops forgot how to coach. I think what happened from my viewpoint is the NIL got to be overwhelming for him, the crazy changes, and he just wasn't able to adapt or handle it very well.
Would this have been a good time to leave? Possibly. Does he deserve another year to make it right? I believe so.
He's got the most wins per year on average than any coach we've ever had, as many 10-win seasons in 6 years than all of our coaches combined in our "illustrious" history, 8 straight bowl games, etc.
Please spare the "SEC was down" argument.... he still had to play the games and had to win. I remember sitting in Commonwealth with my dad in the early 80's and watched us get beat by Miami, OH. I was there in 2004 when we lost to Ohio. So the "weak" SEC argument doesn't really work for me. Just thought I would throw that in there before someone brought it up like they did on HOB. ;-)
"I got us into this, and I'm going to get us out of it." Coach Mark Stoops
I hope he's right as I will be behind the blue!
They are not currently happy with the ROI but the yearly salary is not the problem.
The problem is the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS buyout contract. No excuses in the world can explain that contract away.
Incentivize the hell out of the contract based on wins, bowls, recruiting, beating rivals, longevity, etc....
But a big blank check for just showing up on the sidelines every week for his weekly ass whooping by SEC opponents ain't where the fan base is at.
It's BS and we all smell it.
The pay isn't even close to the problem, it's that monstrous buyout that allows him to fail without repercussion. That is on Mitch. Giving that kind of cushion to someone is a bonehead maneuver no matter what profession they are in. It takes away all of the incentive to perform, and the results are clear.
Does he deserve another year? No. Coaches get fired for less every year. Will he get one? Yes.
Also he did benefit from a down SEC and I cannot see any way that fact can be disputed. Look at the records and see the evidence for yourself.
Also this: Sorry folks. The numbers don't lie.
The longer he stays the worse this graphic is gonna look for him (like the one with cal vs other uk basketball coaches last 5 seasons).
Bear Bryant won 7.5 games per year. Stoops is at 6.4 wins per year.
understand what you're saying, but it is a factor. I enjoyed the wins too, but they stepped it up and Stoops needs to as well. If he doesn't step it up, he needs to leave.
Hope he is right as well.
I don’t have a problem with them paying him that much, at that time, because at that time everyone was happy with possibly winning 8-10 games (even though I thought it was ridiculously to much for him). The contract wasn’t bad but the length of the contract is what is the hang up for me. You wanna pay a man not to leave go ahead but enough with these career long contracts. It takes away their motivation and they end up in cruise control.Thanks, Grumpy.
I posted this a couple of times on the HOB and will put it here:
Stoops signed this contract everybody is griping about on November 11, 2022.... one day before the Vanderbilt game. At the time, we were sitting at 6-3, expected to beat Vanderbilt and Louisville, and lose to Georgia to finish out the regular season.
The year prior, we went 10-3 with yet another bowl win.
Kentucky football fans have been griping for years that we need to "pay our staff like we are a football school!" That's what we did, especially the way Stoops was doing at the time of the contract.
Now that we have done and and have slipped some, the same Kentucky fans are blasting the contract.
In context (kind of an important aspect of discussing things), it was a great move at the time and when he signed it. For whatever reason, we go 7-6, 7-6, and 4-8 (which happens to align up with NIL... not saying NIL is an issue, but is it? Or is it just coincidence?).
Stoops is a hard nosed coach, and this catering to players when things don't go their way is hard to take with a mentality like that.If the players don't get their way, just go somewhere else. They don't like the money they are getting? Just go somewhere else.
The game has drastically changed since 2013 and that is precisely why we lost one of the best ever in Nick Saban. I remember NS saying, "It used to be when the season was over and you met with players, they would ask, 'How do I get more time, Coach?' Now it's, 'How do I get more money, Ccoach?'" So, we lost a legend.
It is not like Stoops forgot how to coach. I think what happened from my viewpoint is the NIL got to be overwhelming for him, the crazy changes, and he just wasn't able to adapt or handle it very well.
Would this have been a good time to leave? Possibly. Does he deserve another year to make it right? I believe so.
He's got the most wins per year on average than any coach we've ever had, as many 10-win seasons in 6 years than all of our coaches combined in our "illustrious" history, 8 straight bowl games, etc.
Please spare the "SEC was down" argument.... he still had to play the games and had to win. I remember sitting in Commonwealth with my dad in the early 80's and watched us get beat by Miami, OH. I was there in 2004 when we lost to Ohio. So the "weak" SEC argument doesn't really work for me. Just thought I would throw that in there before someone brought it up like they did on HOB. ;-)
"I got us into this, and I'm going to get us out of it." Coach Mark Stoops
I hope he's right as I will be behind the blue!
No people did not want that. People seem to have forgotten the circumstances. He got a big raise and extension to 7.5 after 10 wins then they gave him another one mid year of the next year to the 9’s when he hadn’t really done anything new to deserve anything. He had his usual early wins over MAC schools and pulled off beating UF so he was given a raise really just because the AD wanted to try to appease him in case somebody did come knocking after the season. But nobody had done so at that point of the season. The season quickly faded as they started playing better teams and oddly enough they held the signing and contract extension announcement until late in the season announcing it after a home loss to Vandy. Literally nobody thought it made sense. They had just given him a raise less than a full season prior and he delivered the first of this stretch of subpar years and he got this ridiculous contract.
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