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He's the closest thing to a Jordan-esque kind of impact that we've seen since everyone wanted to be like Mike. 
He may be better than mike. If MJ didn't have all those defensive awards. What a player wish he played closer to us.
Steph is the best shooter I've ever seen but he's not a better all around player as MJ. Now if Curry can sustain what he's doing right now for another 8-9 years and win a few more championships then we might have to rethink this.
I think some people have forgotten what MJ was like early in his career. He just routinely did things that weren't human.
I think some people have forgotten what MJ was like early in his career. He just routinely did things that weren't human.
I HATE MJ. Absolutely hated him growing up and hate him now.
But I've grown to respect him as a ball player. Steph is good but he couldn't deal with the bump and grind that was that game years ago and sustain what he's doing. He would have been laid out. Players today are protected in many aspects and they weren't then. Jordan played with the alphas of the game. Sorry young guys. It is what it is.
But I've grown to respect him as a ball player. Steph is good but he couldn't deal with the bump and grind that was that game years ago and sustain what he's doing. He would have been laid out. Players today are protected in many aspects and they weren't then. Jordan played with the alphas of the game. Sorry young guys. It is what it is.
Well if you discuss point in time, this year SC can not be stopped. I don't remember years where MJ couldn't be stopped like this.
You don't remember years where MJ couldn't be stopped?
What's your age? Lol.
Oh yeah, I remember when MJ couldn't be stopped. He won when he wanted to win and he pretty much scored what he wanted to score.
But the fact that Curry is in that conversation speaks volumes.
Curry is shooting like a crazed postal worker but did the NBA give a league wide cash handout to back off of curry and let him shoot?
I'd rather make the others beat me than Curry and Thompson
I'd rather make the others beat me than Curry and Thompson
I don't know what to tell you. I've never been a big MJ fan but I frequently remember teams not being able to stop him, and in his first 4-5 years he's all the Bulls had.
I remember teams but not all the teams and not the best defensive team in the league getting shredded. I saw plenty of MJ and at this point he would be goat but the last two years wow
Shouldnt Jordan have an * ? I mean he scored a good chunk of his points by an offensive foul kicking a knee up into defender's chests/stomachs.
Yep...
This could go on for a long time but the internet would run out of space...
Mike = GOAT
I don't disagree, but MJ was also severely protected...he probably scored half of his points from the foul line.
Looked it up. MJ 22% of points from line and Steph 15%. Not a surprising difference given how much more time MJ spent driving compared to Steph.
Because no one will ever have that type of physical advantage again.
Wilt Chamberlain was a unicorn, but the idea that he was the only one is just wrong. What he was was the 1st of the species. There have been others since, and if they had been first, they probably wouldn't have looked all that different from Wilt.
Why do I say this? Because of this fact: In Wilt's rookie season in the NBA, there were 5 guys in the league, TOTAL, listed at 6'10" or taller.
Wilt Chamberlain was like what would happen if you transported the best power hitter in baseball today to a league where the average fastball was 85 MPH. The numbers would be staggering, but they would give a skewed view of the actual greatness of the player.
Great job brianpoe... now find a picture of him in his signature move... the fade away
As you can tell, he kicked his knee out and anytime a player got close enough to actually be able to defend it..... they got kicked ...
Yes I know he's not actually fouling anyone in these pics but they don't have pics of every shot ever taken but these quick ones I found show his technique on his fade away.
As you can tell, he kicked his knee out and anytime a player got close enough to actually be able to defend it..... they got kicked ...
Yes I know he's not actually fouling anyone in these pics but they don't have pics of every shot ever taken but these quick ones I found show his technique on his fade away.
Great job brianpoe... now find a picture of him in his signature move... the fade away
As you can tell, he kicked his knee out and anytime a player got close enough to actually be able to defend it..... they got kicked ...
Yes I know he's not actually fouling anyone in these pics but they don't have pics of every shot ever taken but these quick ones I found show his technique on his fade away.
Try shooting a fade away yourself and tell me you can shoot it without kicking your legs out. It's not for kicking people who are guarding you and clearing space. It helps you maintain balance so you don't fall flat on your back after shooting the ball. Have you ever seen anyone shoot a fade away without kicking a leg out? Kobe does it worse than MJ did? They all do it on a fade away, some more than others.
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In 95/96, the Bulls went 72-10... 69-13 the next year. An LA team in the 70s and a Philly team in the 60s also went 69-13.
I don't get much out of comparing teams from different eras. But--wow--GSW is once again on pace with the greatest teams ever. Dominance like this isn't common.
Dude, they had a record of 72-10 one year.
To be fair, John Starks deserved to be kicked. Like a Mule. EVERY TIME. I wanted to run onto the court and kick him myself. Jordan = GOAT and it's not close.
I know its hard to shoot a fade away without putting your knee or leg out.... but I also know its an offensive foul if the player is getting kneed from it.... just like using an off arm, you aren't allowed to kick out to create space.
Steph is dominating right now. But anyone who thinks MJ didn't dominate just as much in his day is either under 25 or has amnesia.
To put it in perspective, the guy took four years off, came back at age 38, and still averaged over 20 points a game & was the best player on his team for two years.
To put it in perspective, the guy took four years off, came back at age 38, and still averaged over 20 points a game & was the best player on his team for two years.
Yep...
This could go on for a long time but the internet would run out of space...
Mike = GOAT
And half or more of those weren't even fouls. Lol.
Players are protected now. Some of these people are going to have to deal with the times. You want protection, pampering, and things given over and over? Then in the same breath want to pretend they are going just as hard.
Yup. 2016. Generation want it all.
I agree with you. I just don't think the kick is what is creating the space. I think the fade away shot in and of itself is what is used to create the space, the leg kicking out is incidental contact. Like I said, that automatically is going to happen when shooting that shot.
Imagine Jordan playing with the rules they play with in todays NBA. I don't think it's unreasonable to think MJ would average over 40 ppg.
Back in the day there used to be a ton of cheap shots and mostly started by a hand full of teams that loved playing rough. Today's game, you have teams like Chicago, San Antonio and Indiana trying to muck it all up just like teams did back then minus the cheap shots of course.
The leg is naturally going to kick some ... but many times when a defender actually tried to defend it and got close, Jordan kicked his knee all the way up to shield himself.
They never called leg kicks as offensive fouls back then... it wasn't until about 4-5 or so years ago they started calling Kobe for it and made it a point of emphasis .
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