Stallings getting heat today

[Skutt]

This is one ignorant post.

You must be about 16 years old.

What's wrong with it?

Stallings seems to love it at Vandy and it is a destination job for him. Even if you could pull a coach like Archie Miller, he'd be gone as soon as a better gig came along. Vandy has 2 sweet 16's in the last century. What makes you think you deserve better than stallings?

 

[G-PIP]

When talking strictly about the SEC, I think Vandy should be one of the premiere basketball programs in the league. I don't see any reason Vandy shouldn't be a top 3 program in the SEC. The league is a terrible fit for UK, and probably Vandy also, but the name of the game is money and they both cash huge SEC checks as a result of the only sport that really matters in the SEC - FOOTBALL. Other than UK, I think the next SEC schools with even a modicum of interest in basketball would, in order, be Vandy or Arkansas, and then maybe Missouri. So, I think you have the fan interest, school support and money at Vandy to build a sustainable quality basketball program. As we know, it is much easier to build a program in basketball than football.

 

[Doctor-J]

Well said.

I have always been in Stallings' corner, but he has done a TERRIBLE job with this team. Obviously, the total crap performance Saturday was bad, but what about the other 7 losses? We have played extremely soft all year and nervous. We have multiple players playing scared and that is a direct reflection of Kevin Stallings and what he is getting out of this team.

People that say this team doesn't have talent don't have a single clue of what they are talking about. This team has 3 1st round draft picks on it and is 11-8. That's disgusting.

If Stallings doesn't take this team to the NCAA Tourney, he needs to be fired.

People around here are sick of him and his poor performing teams.

-And yes, he's an elite x's and 0's coach, but results do matter.

Who are these 3 first round draft picks that you speak of?

 

[BBUK]

Who are these 3 first round draft picks that you speak of?

It takes brains, didn't you know that? A few well placed words mean things. If you state it enough it will be true...

 

[spotter34]

This is one ignorant post.

You must be about 16 years old.

Your close, I'm 52. What does my age have to do with my answer? If they haven't been a consistent top 25 program in my 52 years then I think it's pretty safe to say they won't any time soon. You're clearly a Vandy fan.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Who are these 3 first round draft picks that you speak of?

Damian Jones, Wade Baldwin IV and Luke Kornett.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

What's wrong with it?

Stallings seems to love it at Vandy and it is a destination job for him. Even if you could pull a coach like Archie Miller, he'd be gone as soon as a better gig came along. Vandy has 2 sweet 16's in the last century. What makes you think you deserve better than stallings?

I didn't say I think I deserve better than Stallings. I think he is a fine coach, but you can't go 11-8 with this team after pissing off half the fanbase and having those NCAA flops he had.

As for the job, we may be a stepping stone to about 10 programs, but there aren't many that can match our facilities and what we pay. it's just an ignorant take to say VU is a stepping stone, that's all. In football, yes.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Your close, I'm 52. What does my age have to do with my answer? If they haven't been a consistent top 25 program in my 52 years then I think it's pretty safe to say they won't any time soon. You're clearly a Vandy fan.

Kind of an ignorant take, figured you were a millennial.

 

[CharlieT71059]

Stallings always chokes

 

[brianpoe]

Kind of an ignorant take, figured you were a millennial.

Why?

The facts say you are blind and ignorant.

Vandy has ONE elite 8 appearance...and lost in 1965.

In the last 40 years Vandy has won the SEC ONE time, way back in 1992-93 and were still never ranked higher than UK at any time that season.

In the last 20 years Vandy has finished in the top 25 FOUR times, with a high ranking of 19.


@spotter34 was being nice to you. You guys have sucked pretty bad compared to perenial Top 25 teams.

 

[spotter34]

Kind of an ignorant take, figured you were a millennial.

Thank you. I take all of that as a compliment. If you weren't blinded by your Vandy bias you'd realize who looks ignorant in this discussion.

If you want to get rid of Stallings have at it. If you bring in a guy who gets you in the top 25 and you actually make it to a sweet 16, take a picture of him because he's going bye bye.

Thank you brianpoe.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Why?

The facts say you are blind and ignorant.

Vandy has ONE elite 8 appearance...and lost in 1965.

In the last 40 years Vandy has won the SEC ONE time, way back in 1992-93 and were still never ranked higher than UK at any time that season.

In the last 20 years Vandy has finished in the top 25 FOUR times, with a high ranking of 19.


@spotter34 was being nice to you. You guys have sucked pretty bad compared to perenial Top 25 teams.

Please list the schools with better facilities who pay more than Vandy.

I'll give you a hint, it will be a short list.

 

[spotter34]

I didn't say I think I deserve better than Stallings. I think he is a fine coach, but you can't go 11-8 with this team after pissing off half the fanbase and having those NCAA flops he had.

As for the job, we may be a stepping stone to about 10 programs, but there aren't many that can match our facilities and what we pay. it's just an ignorant take to say VU is a stepping stone, that's all. In football, yes.

Just for giggles; "stepping stone to about 10 programs"? Okay I'm going to say: (my take only on top 10 programs)

Kentucky
North Carolina
dUKe
Kansas
UCLA
Indiana
Louisville
Michigan St.
UConn?
Syracuse?

So no reasonable coach would leave Vandy for:

Arizona
Georgetown
Michigan
Florida
Wisconsin
Villanova
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Ohio St

None of the schools I listed outside the top 10 (and there are more) can compete with Vandy in facilities or salary?

Okay, continue.

 

[HipTer]

When talking strictly about the SEC, I think Vandy should be one of the premiere basketball programs in the league. I don't see any reason Vandy shouldn't be a top 3 program in the SEC. The league is a terrible fit for UK, and probably Vandy also, but the name of the game is money and they both cash huge SEC checks as a result of the only sport that really matters in the SEC - FOOTBALL. Other than UK, I think the next SEC schools with even a modicum of interest in basketball would, in order, be Vandy or Arkansas, and then maybe Missouri. So, I think you have the fan interest, school support and money at Vandy to build a sustainable quality basketball program. As we know, it is much easier to build a program in basketball than football.

Well, I think you are right on this. Which is the reason I think those on here saying Stallings ought to take some heat might have a point.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Thank you. I take all of that as a compliment. If you weren't blinded by your Vandy bias you'd realize who looks ignorant in this discussion.

If you want to get rid of Stallings have at it. If you bring in a guy who gets you in the top 25 and you actually make it to a sweet 16, take a picture of him because he's going bye bye.

Thank you brianpoe.

Another ignorant take.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Just for giggles; "stepping stone to about 10 programs"? Okay I'm going to say: (my take only on top 10 programs)

Kentucky
North Carolina
dUKe
Kansas
UCLA
Indiana
Louisville
Michigan St.
UConn?
Syracuse?

So no reasonable coach would leave Vandy for:

Arizona
Georgetown
Michigan
Florida
Wisconsin
Villanova
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Ohio St

None of the schools I listed outside the top 10 (and there are more) can compete with Vandy in facilities or salary?

Okay, continue.

Correct.

I think you are confusing football and basketball. Very different animals.

 

[spotter34]

Another ignorant take.

Wow, I feel sorry for Frieda.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

When talking strictly about the SEC, I think Vandy should be one of the premiere basketball programs in the league. I don't see any reason Vandy shouldn't be a top 3 program in the SEC. The league is a terrible fit for UK, and probably Vandy also, but the name of the game is money and they both cash huge SEC checks as a result of the only sport that really matters in the SEC - FOOTBALL. Other than UK, I think the next SEC schools with even a modicum of interest in basketball would, in order, be Vandy or Arkansas, and then maybe Missouri. So, I think you have the fan interest, school support and money at Vandy to build a sustainable quality basketball program. As we know, it is much easier to build a program in basketball than football.

It's nice to see a non potato post in this thread.

Quality take, not that hard to understand either.

 

[brianpoe]

Please list the schools with better facilities who pay more than Vandy.

I'll give you a hint, it will be a short list.

What?

Facilities do not make you a perennial Top 25 team... results do.

You guys have sucked horribly in meeting that level of success.


As to facilities your home gym sucks.

Built in 1952.

Barely seats 14k.

And the interior walls were unpainted cinder blocks until just a few years ago.



Are you seriously trying to win this argument?

 

[Friedas_Boss]

What?

Facilities do not make you a perennial Top 25 team... results do.

You guys have sucked horribly in meeting that level of success.


As to facilities your home gym sucks.

Built in 1952.

Barely seats 14k.

And the interior walls were unpainted cinder blocks until just a few years ago.



Are you seriously trying to win this argument?

There are a few reasonable posters in this thread that you may want to read.

This is not football where history, tradition and MONEY can make for a huge uphill climb. VU has everything the blue bloods have to compete for national titles minus the history. The history does matter to recruits competing to go to those top 10 or so schools, but after that, VU is in the next group of about 25 who can offer lots of money, great facilities, the NBA, great educations, etc...

I'm not trying to argue that VU is the 11th best job, just trying to explain to you and @spotter34 that nobody is leaving VU for a lateral job in this day and age.

If Stallings were to have been awesome early in his career here, he might have left for KU or UNC, but not for tOSU (he was offered that job) or Michigan or any of the other in that next tier of non blue blood jobs. They don't provide anything more than what VU can provide.

Again, not football.

 

[spotter34]

Well, I think you are right on this. Which is the reason I think those on here saying Stallings ought to take some heat might have a point.

Yeah I'm not necessarily taking up for Stallings but for Vandy fans to think they are going to bring in a Brad Stevens and he takes them places they've been to maybe once or twice in their history and that he's going to stay there? This is evidence of Vandy fans "over-inflated ego". What have you ever done in college basketball to warrant such expectations? Don't get me wrong, every program aspires to greater heights but I think you're risking a lot of stability for the hope of having everything you've wanted for 3-4 really good years, and that's if you hit a home run in your next hire.

 

[brianpoe]

There are a few reasonable posters in this thread that you may want to read.

This is not football where history, tradition and MONEY can make for a huge uphill climb. VU has everything the blue bloods have to compete for national titles minus the history. The history does matter to recruits competing to go to those top 10 or so schools, but after that, VU is in the next group of about 25 who can offer lots of money, great facilities, the NBA, great educations, etc...

I'm not trying to argue that VU is the 11th best job, just trying to explain to you and @spotter34 that nobody is leaving VU for a lateral job in this day and age.

If Stallings were to have been awesome early in his career here, he might have left for KU or UNC, but not for tOSU (he was offered that job) or Michigan or any of the other in that next tier of non blue blood jobs. They don't provide anything more than what VU can provide.

Again, not football.

My comments were in support of @spotter34 's remark about you guys not being a perennial Top 25 and you saying it was ignorant.

He said you are not Duke.

He is absolutely correct.

Your team has done nothing to prove it is a Top 25 program. Zero, zilch.


Your take that only KU or UNC could pull a Vandy coach is comical.

Vandy has had one coach take them to the sole top spot in the SEC once and he immediately left the next year for SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!



Just like Loretta, you need to get back Frieda.

You have no substantive evidence for your argument.

 

[Bkocats]

I sincerely hope that Vandy keeps Stallings for a long, long time

 

[TNCatfanforever]

Vandy could be the SEC's version of Duke in basketball if they got the right coach. Their fans would fill Memorial gym for a winner. I have lived here over 30 years and when they have had great teams tickets cannot be had. Archie Miller would be a homerun for them. A winner here would be paid well enough to stay. Just look at the baseball coach who is the best in America.

 

[brianpoe]

Vandy could be the SEC's version of Duke in basketball if they got the right coach. Their fans would fill Memorial gym for a winner. I have lived here over 30 years and when they have had great teams tickets cannot be had. Archie Miller would be a homerun for them. A winner here would be paid well enough to stay. Just look at the baseball coach who is the best in America.

I agree with the compensation point.


However, Vandy will never be Duke, IMO.

Vandy has ONE elite 8 appearance.


Duke
NCAA Tournament champions
1991, 1992, 2001, 2010, 2015
NCAA Tournament runner-up
1964, 1978, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1999
NCAA Tournament Final Four
1963, 1964, 1966, 1978, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1960, 1963, 1964, 1966, 1978, 1980, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2013, 2015

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Yeah I'm not necessarily taking up for Stallings but for Vandy fans to think they are going to bring in a Brad Stevens and he takes them places they've been to maybe once or twice in their history and that he's going to stay there? This is evidence of Vandy fans "over-inflated ego". What have you ever done in college basketball to warrant such expectations? Don't get me wrong, every program aspires to greater heights but I think you're risking a lot of stability for the hope of having everything you've wanted for 3-4 years, and that's if you hit a home run in your next hire.

Holy mackerel, kingfish, it's a grouper!

Who said that?

 

[Friedas_Boss]

My comments were in support of @spotter34 's remark about you guys not being a perennial Top 25 and you saying it was ignorant.

He said you are not Duke.

He is absolutely correct.

Your team has done nothing to prove it is a Top 25 program. Zero, zilch.


Your take that only KU or UNC could pull a Vandy coach is comical.

Vandy has had one coach take them to the sole top spot in the SEC once and he immediately left the next year for SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!



Just like Loretta, you need to get back Frieda.

You have no substantive evidence for your argument.

You are too potato to communicate with, brah. What you are saying is nothing close to what I've said.

As for the highlighted part, if you were willing to have a reasonable discussion, I would explain, but you and I both know you're not.

Paul Houlihan is long gone, as is Joe B. Wyatt (thank God!).

 

[Friedas_Boss]

Vandy could be the SEC's version of Duke in basketball if they got the right coach. Their fans would fill Memorial gym for a winner. I have lived here over 30 years and when they have had great teams tickets cannot be had. Archie Miller would be a homerun for them. A winner here would be paid well enough to stay. Just look at the baseball coach who is the best in America.

Nice to see a few reasonable posters stick their heads in this thread.

 

[spotter34]

Holy mackerel, kingfish, it's a grouper!

Who said that?

I'm talking about Brad Stevens when he took over at Butler and made a name for himself, not the Brad Stevens with the Celtics. That's the kind of hire you're talking about, when Butler got him, and I'm sorry he would be gone after a few seasons of success.

I used to think Vandy was on the verge of becoming consistently relevant and they still can be but you just have to have a lot of things line up and go your way. I've never said you can't win there. You clearly can. Where I differ from you is can it be sustained like at dUKe. Nobody saw coach K turning into arguably the best college basketball coach in the country and on top of that settling down at that school for over 35 years, ignoring opportunities with more prestigious, at the time, places. That's lightning in a bottle. It can happen but chances are it won't. Good luck!

 

[Friedas_Boss]

I'm talking about Brad Stevens when he took over at Butler and made a name for himself, not the Brad Stevens with the Celtics. That's the kind of hire you're talking about, when Butler got him, and I'm sorry he would be gone after a few seasons of success.

I used to think Vandy was on the verge of becoming consistently relevant and they still can be but you just have to have a lot of things line up and go your way. I've never said you can't win there. You clearly can. Where I differ from you is can it be sustained like at dUKe. Nobody saw coach K turning into arguably the best college basketball coach in the country and on top of that settling down at that school for over 35 years, ignoring opportunities with more prestigious, at the time, places. That's lightning in a bottle. It can happen but chances are it won't. Good luck!

I never said Vandy could be Duke, not even close. I do think we can compete at the highest level, but that's not exactly a stretch, especially with the right coach.

My main point of contention with you was saying that any decent coach we got would leave, I don't think this is close to the truth. If we got A hot young coach, the only way they are leaving VU would be for an elite/blue blood type of school imo. There is no reason to leave a school that pays you top 15 money with top 25 facilities unless you can get a true blue blood job. That was my point.

You were acting as if our basketball program is akin to our football program and it's not. We have really really good facilities, with a really nice gym and a historically good home fanbase, all the exposure you need, we place players in the NBA and we pay our coach well. Add to that, in basketball, you are measured by tournament success so you can win big at a lot of schools ( unlike football).

Regardless, I apologize for using the word ignorant.

 

[clevenger32]

In "theory" Vanderbilt is a basketball school with lots of tradition.

In reality they have been just good enough but to be great. Do you know how many NCAA Tournament wins Vanderbilt has all-time? 10. For comparisons sake Kentucky has 9 in the past two years.

Their fans are great in Memorial Gym. But play a game 10 minutes down the road and none of them go.

Vanderbilt does have a rich tradition and while it might not show up in all time NCAA wins, Vanderbilt has always cared about basketball.

While many people knock Memorial Gym, I have never enjoyed watching a basketball person more than at Memorial Gym except for UK's Memorial Coliseum.

During the era of Coach Roy Skinner ...Clyde Lee, Perry Wallace, Tommy Hagan, Dickie Keffer, and loads of other Kentucky and St. Louis kids that played there, that was the two games we played Vandy were the respect rival game. We dislike Tennessee. We have had our tiffs with Babe McCarthy and the Mississippi State Maroons, Dale Brown and LSU, Billy and the Gators...all were an irritation or dislike...Vanderbilt on the other hand was a competition of respect and a care for the game.

I was really excited this year that Vanderbilt was projected so high...some even to the final four...Losing Kornett for a month or so hurt the chemistry. Hopefully this last week of January and the month of February, they can get back to team I say play Baylor and Purdue. While those were road loses, their play in in both of those games was of the quality that on a neutral floor/NCAA tournament game, they most likely would have won both.

 

[spotter34]

Well I never intended to make the basketball program out to be the same as your football program. We're in the same shape as far as football goes. I know Vanderbilt has the potential to be a consistently good basketball program. I don't know about consistently in the top 25 but not far off.

I've been thinking about some college programs that Vandy could reasonably compare themselves to and I think a pretty good comparison would be Virginia. Bennett has come in there and really turned things around. He recruits well to his system and they have had a nice 2-3 year run of late. They still haven't had much success in the tourney but he has made them relevant. I can see somebody coming in and doing pretty much the same thing there. The concern is how long could you keep a coach like that, especially if he's a young guy. I think any of those top 10 programs I mentioned earlier would be able to get him if they wanted him, but who knows. Nashville is a nice place to live and Vandy does have money.

 

[CloverforkCat]

You must not follow baseball in the SEC. Vandy pretty darn good.

Go Big Blue!

Yeah, NC in 2014, and National runner up last season...... Pretty good !

 

[UKWildcats#8]

The Candy fan is delusional, nothing new on here.

 

[Friedas_Boss]

The Candy fan is delusional, nothing new on here.

Love you, brah.

 

[screwduke]

When talking strictly about the SEC, I think Vandy should be one of the premiere basketball programs in the league. I don't see any reason Vandy shouldn't be a top 3 program in the SEC. The league is a terrible fit for UK, and probably Vandy also, but the name of the game is money and they both cash huge SEC checks as a result of the only sport that really matters in the SEC - FOOTBALL. Other than UK, I think the next SEC schools with even a modicum of interest in basketball would, in order, be Vandy or Arkansas, and then maybe Missouri. So, I think you have the fan interest, school support and money at Vandy to build a sustainable quality basketball program. As we know, it is much easier to build a program in basketball than football.

Vandy should be something that they've never been?

 

[UKrazycat2]

Holy mackerel, kingfish, it's a grouper!

Who said that?

I remember Amos and Andy.