Every single player has a write up like that that shows their weakness because everyone has weakness. There is no perfect high school prospect that has nothing but strengths. A scouting report isn't about being flattering it's about being honest about a players pluses and minuses
Spot on scouting report on Knox by of course Draftexpress
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This right here, he will likely run the same run off screens for him like he did Monk even with him playing PF or SF
Seems to be either that or the sunshine, every players is perfect, 40-0 fans. For some reason it seems to be just so hard for some fans to just be in between and realistic
Hey man, Cal told the guy he would be filling Monks roll (SG), the kid likes the idea. If you want to disagree with Cal and believe some guys at DX that's on you. But look forward to your future post about how Knox is gonna be an all star a year from now (like you said about fox), after he's our leading scorer. I'm sure DX will change their opinion on him too. Can't. Wait.
Oh please oh wise one show me where I praise Duke? You can also go to the scout UK board (which I have been chatting on for years) and check OR check the Duke scout.com board (from which I was banned due to negative comments about Duke) last year and ask if I'm a Duke fan. OR you can check on here and see that I've put up scouting reports on pretty much every single recruit Cal has gotten. Hmmmmm. You sound like those fans that say Cal has cheated and pays players yet has zero proof, just like them you seem butt hurt anytime someone says anything you either don't agree with or that doesn't pump 100% sunshine or you sound like those coaches that think I'm bias when I don't give their players perfect scouting reports
It's better to be thought of as a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
It's better to be thought of as a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
I'm absolutely shocked that Jakari drops an article like that on the night that UK takes Knox from Duke.
Regardless of how much of it is true, the timing in posting this thread was very purposeful.
He claims to have no allegiance, but that's just not true. He's the first to praise anything Duke has going on, and the first to wet blanket whatever happens for UK.
I'm sure Knox will have some growing pains, but nobody is better than getting those immaturity-based kinks out than Cal is.
K certainly doesn't do it as well as Cal.
Look at how they finished with known selfish stars like Rivers, Parker, and half of the rotation on his invincible squad ("better than '15 UK") this year... mid major loss, mid major loss, round of 32 loss.
Jakari can stop his with his (genuine, earnest) concern for UK and be glad that the Devils missed out on this seriously overrated 6'9 hyperathletic wing.
The scouting report is what it is. The fans who act like DE wrote it up to piss off UK fans in advance are being silly.
But your angle, evident in your timing is just as easy to see as the UK fans' bias when they lash out at the report itself.
Your trolling is just ever so subtle - you see a scouting report that's 55% or 60% negative, leave that in the back of your memory... and then when UK gets the guy, while everybody is exuberant on the board, that's your moment to shine... come in and drop the blanket. You wouldn't have posted it on Duke's board if the situation had gone as expected- you know it, I know it, Stevie Wonder can see that fact.
He's not a sg but I agree he will likely fill that role as a come off he screen shooter (he's the only recruit right now who can do that other than baker but I don't think baker will be ready in year one)
Ummmm why would I put up a scouting report on him if he went somewhere else , in reference to timing, his scouting report conincides with the other scouting reports I put up on players who committed to UK OR when UK was likely getting them. You truly are reaching here.
I'm willing to bet you have said nothing about people who have wrote about him being able to play sg from day 1 even though not one scout, who has watched him way more than all of us, have said he could
Scouting reports aren't about negative or positive it's about TRUTH. What sense would it make to think "hmmmm let me try to get only 55% negative and put it up" lol. That makes no damn sense. I put THE WHOLE scouting report just like I did with other recruits/commits. And just like those I didn't leave any of it out. Did the exact same thing with Wenyen not having quick feet for sf but a high motor. You probably bitched and moaned about that one too
I'm willing to bet you have said nothing about people who have wrote about him being able to play sg from day 1 even though not one scout, who has watched him way more than all of us, have said he could
Scouting reports aren't about negative or positive it's about TRUTH. What sense would it make to think "hmmmm let me try to get only 55% negative and put it up" lol. That makes no damn sense. I put THE WHOLE scouting report just like I did with other recruits/commits. And just like those I didn't leave any of it out. Did the exact same thing with Wenyen not having quick feet for sf but a high motor. You probably bitched and moaned about that one too
It has nothing to do with the scouting report itself. It has everything to do with your timing - the subtle hint of that persistent low-grade trolling which lives within the margins of plausible deniability. You keep it there so that you can whip out the righteous indignation whenever you're accused, like a guy skimming a dollar from the offering plate every Sunday. You aren't the first troll of that stripe, and you won't be the last. No, I'm not going to comb through your 2000 posts to point it out to you. Our IQs aren't within 5 SD of each other, so don't concern yourself with evaluating foolishness.
I heard it's not so much of a lazy walk but that he scuffs his feet as he is walking........I am sure Cal can correct a "scuff walker" but you never know?
He does what many skilled athletes do on the H.S level (Monk did as well) where they are so much more athletic than other players that they don't push themselves all the time. Cal is great at getting them to push harder and have less episodes where they do that.
The good thing is Knox knows this or he probably would have picked Duke or UNC where he wouldn't be pushed in practice for minutes/starting like he would at UK vs PJ and Vanderbilt.
For those who watch other college basketball teams and good comparison for Knox is Tobias Harris (a recruit I really really liked in H.S)
The good thing is Knox knows this or he probably would have picked Duke or UNC where he wouldn't be pushed in practice for minutes/starting like he would at UK vs PJ and Vanderbilt.
For those who watch other college basketball teams and good comparison for Knox is Tobias Harris (a recruit I really really liked in H.S)
Exactly. In the same way that I don't walk into a baby shower and gasp in horror that the child has a lazy eye. You can raise practical concerns later, but then is not the time. If I were to do so, people would (rightly) question if I was trying to go at the parents intentionally.
Nobody cuts into the middle of that kind of atmosphere, night of the commitment, with the cold hard "just as many cons as pros" assessment, unless they're trying to stir something up.
Again, you're just like a low-grade fence-riding scammer who always has the "who, me?" indignation ready to go.
Maybe the least appreciated elite coaching skill of Calipari is his strategic ability to adapt his system every year to the talent on hand. Half our fan base probably still thinks we use the "dribble drive offense", and Calipari did use some "dribble drive" this year with Fox, Monk, Briscoe. But Calipari actually changes his offensive approach every year to fit his players. "Positionless basketball" is a recruiting pitch that has been effective with our elite talent, and there is no doubt that "positionless basketball" is the reason Kevin Knox is a Wildcat today. But "positionless basketball" is not an offensive doctrine. Calipari will not know his offensive approach for next year until he hears Bamba's college decision. No matter what the media says now, Kevin Knox is not a 2. "Hybrid" could be closer to the truth. But Knox is really a combo forward with the length of a 4 but the mentality and skills of a 3. Knox has Gabriel's body, more or less, but he is quicker and more skilled than Gabriel. Knox's superior quickness and current lack of lower body strength probably mean Calipari will use him mainly on the perimeter. But he is not a threat to Diallo. If Diallo returns, he has the 2 role. This is now a historically loaded class, not just #1 in the nation but also 1 of the best college classes in recent memory. In the ASGs, Vanderbilt outplayed Knox. Even if Vanderbilt is not healthy now, he probably will be by November. Knox knows he can be a lottery pick whether or not he shares a position next year, and he has talked about this in the past. The guy whose playing time is now in jeopardy is Gabriel.
He will play the role of a 2-3 for UK. he's closer to a 2 than he is a 4 for us and that's for sure. If we get Johnson/Diallo, Knox will still be on the other wing. No way in hell hes playing the 4 substantially. This is common sense. Cal didn't sell him on watching Monk just to get him to play the 4 or do occasional PP plays. This is common sense, which isn't common to some posters.
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Closer to a sg based on what? He struggles to guard sg or go past them. He's closer to a four because that's what he's been transitioning from. He only started transitioning from a a four to a three a couple years ago same way Wenyen is trying to transition to sf (Cal told him he would play sf).
Just because a coach tells you they want to play you at a certain position don't mean you can play it, college basketball just doesn't work that way. No different than a coach recruit a player thinking they will have a impact and then the player ends up not being ready ala SKJ or end up transferring ala Matthews. Common sense and taking he bias out of it and using you're eyes AND watching a player to know that they will need some work. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
Vanderbilt has a much better chance of playing sg than Knox since it is common knowledge that you can play any position that you can defend, if you can't defend the position you can't play it if it's not you're natural position
Just because a coach tells you they want to play you at a certain position don't mean you can play it, college basketball just doesn't work that way. No different than a coach recruit a player thinking they will have a impact and then the player ends up not being ready ala SKJ or end up transferring ala Matthews. Common sense and taking he bias out of it and using you're eyes AND watching a player to know that they will need some work. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
Vanderbilt has a much better chance of playing sg than Knox since it is common knowledge that you can play any position that you can defend, if you can't defend the position you can't play it if it's not you're natural position
I think what many of us see is that with JV and Knox on the floor together, JV guards twos but Knox plays more like a two on offense (running off screens, being set up for open threes, etc.).
I don't think any of us expect Knox to guard twos. Call it whatever you want.
I don't think any of us expect Knox to guard twos. Call it whatever you want.
Bingo, that's likely the plan. Vanderbilt will probably also take some of the ball handling role that a sg would as well like Briscoe did with monk playing sg, running off screens. Reason why Cal mention Knoxs having a monk role
I mean, call it a 2 or 4 or whatever you want, but I hope we play him the way we used Willis and Gabriel but with way more touches.
You can be a 4 and still play on the perimeter. In fact, nearly every NBA 4 does just that.
That's why Cal can sell it to kids that they'll play the 2 or 3 or whatever, because it's basically all the same.
I think the scouting report is great. It's accurate and fair. He's not even 18 yet, and DX looks at it from the NBA perspective. Very very few of these kids are even close to NBA ready at that stage. Doesn't mean he won't be fantastic for us.
You can be a 4 and still play on the perimeter. In fact, nearly every NBA 4 does just that.
That's why Cal can sell it to kids that they'll play the 2 or 3 or whatever, because it's basically all the same.
I think the scouting report is great. It's accurate and fair. He's not even 18 yet, and DX looks at it from the NBA perspective. Very very few of these kids are even close to NBA ready at that stage. Doesn't mean he won't be fantastic for us.
You are right, of course. Your explanation cuts to the demonstrable facts. I watched Knox in the ASGs. He is a very interesting player, but remains to be seen whether he can live up to all the hype. That's a big burden for all of our players to meet. In the ASGs, Knox was outplayed by Vanderbilt. That doesn't mean Vanderbilt is the better player, but Vanderbilt's skills astounded me. Most people were caught by surprise by Knox's unexpected commitment yesterday, and most are just overreacting to the hype today. Time will show that Knox is a combo forward with the length of a 4 and the skills of a 3. If Knox makes it in the NBA, he will have to be a 3 at that level.
Where are you getting this rule that you have to guard the exact position you are playing? Have u seen an nba game lately? James Harden is a pg, not once in the OKC series can I remember him checking Westbrook. Dude is only 6'9"(some have him listed 6'7.5") 205 . Not sure where other than in high school that equates to the 4 position. He's currently listed as a SF on all the databases I've seen. Not sure why you and DX think he needs to grow to a 4.
I think that's the key reason why he signed, he knows he needs to be on the wing next level.
First, Knox is not James harden. When you are elite like that you're called an exception.
Maybe DX say what they are saying because hey know more about basketball than you and me since they have been doing his scouting thing for a lot longer. Do you know why MKG could play sf in college? Because he could guard it, so you know why willis or Gabriel couldn't play sf, because they couldn't guard it.
One of the first things I learned when scouting for pro teams was that teams look at you position wise by what position you can guard. This is a universal rule on each level unless you are an exception due to being elite. Dennis Rodman AND Ben Wallace could play PF and C not because of their offense but because hey could guard those positions.
It's understandable for some to not understand this if they have never played at a high level or scout and they just go by watching as a fan therefore letting their fandom get in the way of learning things they don't know the comment of "I don't know why DX would etc" backs that up
Also in today's NBA he is perfect for PF not SF. Not sure if you watch the NBA or realize but it is transitioning to small ball stretch fours so you don't have to be super big or strong. DX and others saybehat they say because Knox has more of a impact on offense and defense when he is guarding and being guarded by PF. When he is guarded by a sf or has to guard a SF he has a much smaller impact which I'm sure you saw like the rest of us on the allstar circuit and read about during the practice that NBA scouts watched "in which they repeated what DX said"
Maybe DX say what they are saying because hey know more about basketball than you and me since they have been doing his scouting thing for a lot longer. Do you know why MKG could play sf in college? Because he could guard it, so you know why willis or Gabriel couldn't play sf, because they couldn't guard it.
One of the first things I learned when scouting for pro teams was that teams look at you position wise by what position you can guard. This is a universal rule on each level unless you are an exception due to being elite. Dennis Rodman AND Ben Wallace could play PF and C not because of their offense but because hey could guard those positions.
It's understandable for some to not understand this if they have never played at a high level or scout and they just go by watching as a fan therefore letting their fandom get in the way of learning things they don't know the comment of "I don't know why DX would etc" backs that up
Also in today's NBA he is perfect for PF not SF. Not sure if you watch the NBA or realize but it is transitioning to small ball stretch fours so you don't have to be super big or strong. DX and others saybehat they say because Knox has more of a impact on offense and defense when he is guarding and being guarded by PF. When he is guarded by a sf or has to guard a SF he has a much smaller impact which I'm sure you saw like the rest of us on the allstar circuit and read about during the practice that NBA scouts watched "in which they repeated what DX said"
WOW, JUST WOW. This is what you gathered from the player breakdown? That he would be our leading scorer? Sheesh man. This is what I'm talking about with our brainwashed fans. The report mentions multiple times that he is a 4. Yet you are comparing him to Monk and Murray. Unreal
I don't buy the so called experts no everything or more than than you or me since they've been doing it longer. Whole lot of experts told us Knox was not coming to UK 24 hours ago, even more experts told us Trump had no chance to be president. Those dudes get it wrong, a lot. Isiah Thomas will be on the floor in Boston at all times, nobody gonna tell him to play PG since he can't guard any SG in the league. Same for Steph, Beal, Jabari Parker, etc. Knox might not be able to currently defend the 2-3, but he ain't stopping any NBA 4s either.
He will do everything a 2-3 does for UK next season. The fact you think that is laughable (the exact word you used) that he plays the 2-3 is hilarious and I'm gonna remind you of it all 40 games we play next season when he's blowing up. Go big blue tho.
You continue to be ridiculous.
When you look at our roster composition, there is a wide open spot for a primary scorer, one who can be set up and run off screens like Murray and Monk.
Knox is the most obvious choice to fill that role, and that is clearly what Cal sold him on.
Doesn't mean he'll score 20 a game. Doesn't even mean he will succeed in that role. But he will get a chance.
Can't fit a square peg into a round hole. The player breakdown discusses him being a 4 over and over again. He's 6'8 for goodness sakes. I doubt he's going to be running off of screens and knocking down threes like Monk and Murray. If he does then he's LeBron James. Again, our fans are brainwashed. "Positionless basketball man!" Yeah, he's a 4.
I have to agree. Actually, FWIW, Vanderbilt outplayed Knox in the ASGs. Given that there are at least 6 5-star players on next year's team (potentially as many as 8), and given that Vanderbilt and Knox are similar in size and skills, it is unlikely that Knox will be our leading scorer. Until Bamba announces his college decision, and until we know about Vanderbilt's health, we won't even have a good idea who will start. However, Knox's commitment is big for several reasons. On the basis of talent, numbers, depth, we are now a legitimate NC contender no matter what Bamba decides. If Bamba comes, we and Arizona are probably the preseason favorites. It means Cam Johnson probably isn't coming, and Bamba is probably the only uncommitted player left on Calipari's recruiting board. It also means future recruits see what Knox decided and understand the narrative that Calipari is the quickest pathway from high school to the NBA, regardless of the rest of Kentucky's basketball roster.
We are brainwashed, Knox and his family are brainwashed, and you aren't a UK fan. Stop playing.
I actually never said he would be our leading scorer. I said Cal will try to use him on offense the same way he did Monk and Murray.
You have to have someone playing that way to draw the defense and open up drives.
If I were guessing right now, with incomplete information, I would say Knox will average around 15 ppg.
I don't know; I'm only guessing. The roster isn't even done yet.
But you might recall that you pitched a hissy fit at me last year when I said that Monk would be our leading scorer.
No disrespect intended - nothing is accomplished by personally attacking other posters. Knox picked Kentucky because he wants to be OAD and he thinks Calipari is the quickest pathway from high school to the NBA. Knox's own public statements strongly support this conclusion. All of us know Calipari does not promise anything except hard work and elite competition. If Knox was the kind of kid who needed to be sold on becoming a team's leading scorer as a freshmen, he would not be joining a Kentucky roster that will have at least 6 5-star players, and possibly as many as 8.
No I don't recall pitching a "hissy fit". I always believed Monk would be an elite scorer on an elite team. But that's old news. Why are you trying to create personal conflicts? This is only sports. How old are you?
I could pull up the thread, if you like. You were extremely condescending. Somehow you knew I was wrong.
Where are you getting this "leading scorer" stuff?
I never said that. He might be. Might not. I don't know enough about our team yet to make that prediction.
I've only said what Cal has obviously said. That he will try to use Knox as a 2/3 and try to use him like he used Monk.
Will that be a successful experiment? Your guess is as good as mine.
But Knox did shoot 35% from three last year on over 200 attempts. Shouldn't come as much surprise that on a team short of shooting, we might want to figure out how to get open looks for a player like that.
That's the point. How the hell can Cal use a 4 as a 2? You said yourself that he's more of a Trey Lyles than anyone else. I think that's accurate. Lyles couldn't be a 2 in any universe. This damn positionless basketball is bologna
He can be used as a primary offensive weapon. Run off screens, etc.
It's irrelevant whether you call him a 2, 3, or 4. He can be used similarly to Monk and Murray no matter what number you want to put beside him.
Kevin Durant is often the 4 on the floor, but he is still a primary offensive weapon, running off picks, shooting threes.
My guess is that he will be closer to Lyles. A 4/3 who is playing the wing because of our size. But we didn't need to set Lyles up for a lot of shots because we had Booker and Aaron, and KAT in the post.
At first glance, I think this team will need the scoring of Knox from the perimeter. So imagine Trey Lyles if we had worked hard to get him open looks.
Every team is different. And this one is still a work in progress.
Understood. Here is my view, regardless of the number you put as Knox's position, he just doesn't appear nearly quick enough or fluent enough to be running off screens around the perimeter. He seems just like Trey Lyles to me. Even without Booker and Aaron I couldn't see Lyles playing on the perimeter.
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