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the win at all costs UL policies that UL has pursued since jurich has been there, and the endorsement by their fan base, at least the few that are honest about it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...ttended-parties-with-strippers-133402073.html

Lots of bad news, damaging testimony, coming out about the basketball program, and the football program was in much more desperate straits with not nearly the assets of the basketball program until recently-----until the hiring of hurtt, the NROTY at the U, to be more specific. Understandable at the U, in the middle of all that talent, with football NCs, with the beaches, and with their history of cheating. How in hell did he do it at UL? The same way IMO. Still amazed that this came out about their basketball program before the football program.

Pitino might have gotten away with this if he didn't have another strike against him, the tabletop paid abortion manipulation of the situation where he came out smelling like a rose (if you wipe the slime off first) because he can hire the best lawyers. And since the consensus is that he is responsible because he heads up the program, shouldn't there be the same reasoning with jurich, that has THRICE been guilty of covering up scandals and hiring/rehiring/retaining undesirable characters that reflect badly on any University, namely Slick Rick, BP, and hurtt------besides all his other sins, Willie, the Yum center, games on a regular basis any day of the week, etc etc. If the blame goes to the top, why should he be exempt, he is the one that created this cesspool.

And that would affect football, if it hasn't already, how can parents think their tactics are restricted to basketball?

But then money talks and with RPs lawyers there is a distinct possibility that the woman ends up in jail and Slick Rick gets all the royalties from the book, in which case he might end up promoting it instead of trying to suppress it-----LOL.
 
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It is a strange story being told for damn sure jauk11... City University has plenty of issues to deal with... Pitino has sex in a restaurant, gets a girl preggers, pays for it to be taken care of and the girl gets locked away for 7 years... My goodness, KARM is a bitch!!! They all be taken up for one another at UofL, because, like the mafia, they all be, "up-in-it".... All the while a once great newspaper is waiting to be told what the story is... I live in Louisville and on many many levels this is just not the proudest of times for this City... But I am not surprised...

So what's going to happen to the Pitino banner in Rupp now?
 
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RP lawyers are not going to get him out of this mess.
After all is said and done this will effect every aspect of UL.
This marks the end of any significance to UL in sports.

Many seasons to come for the FB and BB programs under .500
 
Jauk, you have been ridiculed around here for a long time for your steadfast insistence that UL is dirty to its core. You are a punchline on the UL boards. You're looking awfully smart today, kudos to you for refusing to buckle and speaking a lot of truths.
 
RP lawyers are not going to get him out of this mess.
After all is said and done this will effect every aspect of UL.
This marks the end of any significance to UL in sports.

Many seasons to come for the FB and BB programs under .500

It bad and the NCAA can look into other aspects of the Athletic Department.

The one thing Louisville did correct was hire Chuck Smrt to do their own internal investigation-(longtime NCAA investigator that handled the Sports Illustrated Hostess for Sex/Drug Test cover-up for them).

My guess is if they listen to him they will open up everything in regards to the Basketball program to the NCAA and let the chips fall where they may.

Long term even after Pitino step down their program will recover
 
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I have trust in Jurich's brain to figure a way out of this. The man is brilliant when it comes to putting his hypnotic spells over the UL/Louisville community and weaseling his way out of trouble.
 
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I have trust in Jurich's brain to figure a way out of this. The man is brilliant when it comes to putting his hypnotic spells over the UL/Louisville community and weaseling his way out of trouble.
It's not hard to cast a hypnotic spell over a people wanting to sleep....
People complain about the Herald Leader but you know they'd be all over this (and are probably digging) if this were happening in Lexington... And should be!
 
This is all over ESPN, even the football talk shows. On College Football Daily the former Oregon coach said that coaches know what recruits are doing the whole time they are on campus------and if that isn't true then looks like it should be, LOL. Also the question of whether jurich should be held responsible came up, and they seemed to think he should,. One basketball analyst tried to take up for Pitino, but he prefaces his defense by saying neglecting his previous problems------Hell, jurich recruiting Willie to UL would have been fine-----if his long history of criminal behavior were ignored. Now sentenced to life as a HABITUAL criminal.

And I still contend that football has a lot more to hide than the basketball program, and this should bring all of their programs under closer scrutiny.

The link above is pretty damaging IMO.
 
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I have trust in Jurich's brain to figure a way out of this. The man is brilliant when it comes to putting his hypnotic spells over the UL/Louisville community and weaseling his way out of trouble.
But how long does the reputation of the University keep taking these hits till the actual people of the University get tired of it?

There still is an academic side to the University that this stench affects, it probably shouldn't but it does reflect on the University as a whole....Hey I was born and raised in Louisville and proud of it.

But the City as a whole can't be proud of this revolving unethical cess pool behavior.
 
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Even if the NCAA drops the hammer on UL because of this, I just have this nasty feeling that Pitino and Jurich will claim deniability and throw as many assistants under the bus to placate the masses. I just don't underestimate the measures they take to protect Pitino.
 
UofL has always taken risky guys. In the late 80s, Coach Claiborne kicked the Gardner Brothers, Carwell and Donnie, as well as "Dee" Smith off the team at UK, then helped them land at UofL. The two programs didn't play each other back then, and Coach Claiborne was classy enough to help those guys even after he had to get rid of them. I believe Carwell Gardner even went on the have a decent NFL career. So, the point is that this is how the UofL program had operated for at least the last 30 years. It didn't just start with Petrino and Jurich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carwell_Gardner
 
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Did Donnie actually play for UL? IIRC, he got booted before his senior season, but don't remember him suiting up for the Birds. Either way, your point about UL still stands.
 
I thought Donnie played there as well, but that's been a long time. Dee Smith from Tilghman was a rising star at UK when he got booted. Carwell had on-field and off-field issues at UK. I remember Ralph Hacker raking him over the coals for a cheap shot personal foul penalty on the UK Radio broadcast once, and you almost never hear the UK announcers go off on one our own players like that.
 
It bad and the NCAA can look into other aspects of the Athletic Department.

The one thing Louisville did correct was hire Chuck Smrt to do their own internal investigation-(longtime NCAA investigator that handled the Sports Illustrated Hostess for Sex/Drug Test cover-up for them).

My guess is if they listen to him they will open up everything in regards to the Basketball program to the NCAA and let the chips fall where they may.

Long term even after Pitino step down their program will recover

PE I thought you weren't interested in this story or Louisville basketball for that matter. I just peered over on your Louisville boards and couldn't believe what I read over there. The vast majority of the fans sill think this is all made up and that Louisville will get out scot free. I've got news for you, UL is going to be dragged thru the streets on this one. NCAA has too much evidence and it is a great way for them to regain their relevance after all the poorly investigated incidents the past few years. This very well will impact football recruiting as well.
 
I thought Donnie played there as well, but that's been a long time. Dee Smith from Tilghman was a rising star at UK when he got booted. Carwell had on-field and off-field issues at UK. I remember Ralph Hacker raking him over the coals for a cheap shot personal foul penalty on the UK Radio broadcast once, and you almost never hear the UK announcers go off on one our own players like that.

Hacker's rant was during/after a Rutgers game up there. Said he(Carwell) shouldn't be allowed on the plane! Lol
 
PE I thought you weren't interested in this story or Louisville basketball for that matter. I just peered over on your Louisville boards and couldn't believe what I read over there. The vast majority of the fans sill think this is all made up and that Louisville will get out scot free. I've got news for you, UL is going to be dragged thru the streets on this one. NCAA has too much evidence and it is a great way for them to regain their relevance after all the poorly investigated incidents the past few years. This very well will impact football recruiting as well.

For me as of right now this still is a "Basketball Matter" but I did say in the other thread the NCAA with this kind of mess could very well "Audit" the entire Athletic Department from Womens Softball to Football...yes I am one of the few in the Commonwealth that actually doesn't care for College Basketball...waiting for a week from Thursday the start of the NBA Regular Season

The main thing I said in this thread is the one thing Louisville is doing correctly is having Chuck Smrt handle their internal investigation....he has a very good reputation with the NCAA and he will make them open up everything before the NCAA...
 
It is a strange story being told for damn sure jauk11... City University has plenty of issues to deal with... Pitino has sex in a restaurant, gets a girl preggers, pays for it to be taken care of and the girl gets locked away for 7 years... My goodness, KARM is a bitch!!! They all be taken up for one another at UofL, because, like the mafia, they all be, "up-in-it".... All the while a once great newspaper is waiting to be told what the story is... I live in Louisville and on many many levels this is just not the proudest of times for this City... But I am not surprised...

So what's going to happen to the Pitino banner in Rupp now?

What Rick Pitino did at Louisville in no way affects what Coach Pitino did at Kentucky. I've always separated the 2 that way because they're both very different people, regardless of how you feel about Louisville as a program.

While you can watch this unfold and remember all of the things Rick did at Louisville, never forget what he did for Kentucky. To me, that trumps anything the man ever did.
 
For me as of right now this still is a "Basketball Matter" but I did say in the other thread the NCAA with this kind of mess could very well "Audit" the entire Athletic Department from Womens Softball to Football...yes I am one of the few in the Commonwealth that actually doesn't care for College Basketball...waiting for a week from Thursday the start of the NBA Regular Season

The main thing I said in this thread is the one thing Louisville is doing correctly is having Chuck Smrt handle their internal investigation....he has a very good reputation with the NCAA and he will make them open up everything before the NCAA...
PE, honestly just lay down the UL garb and join on to the BBN.

You're here all the time, just come over to the good side you will be well accepted.

Come on my Big Blue brother :raised_hands: Hell I'll buy your first UK tee shirt.
 
Even if the NCAA drops the hammer on UL because of this, I just have this nasty feeling that Pitino and Jurich will claim deniability and throw as many assistants under the bus to placate the masses. I just don't underestimate the measures they take to protect Pitino.

Well they better or they are gone for good.
 
Did Donnie actually play for UL? IIRC, he got booted before his senior season, but don't remember him suiting up for the Birds. Either way, your point about UL still stands.

Donnie got booted from Senior Day against the Vols in 1987 for a curfew violation sometime during the week of the game.
 
Hacker's rant was during/after a Rutgers game up there. Said he(Carwell) shouldn't be allowed on the plane! Lol

Carwell basically cost us the game by committing a personal foul penalty on a 4th down play that extended the Rutgers eventual game-winning drive. The penalty occurred many yards away from the actual play, making it even more egregious.
 
. Dee Smith from Tilghman was a rising star at UK when he got booted.

It's truly a shame that Smith got kicked off the team, but IIRC there were drugs involved, and there was no way Coach Claiborne was going to look the other way on that, regardless of who it was. Smith was undeniably a great talent.
 
Does this mean Barnhart can tear up the contracts with them so we don't have to wallow in the bile anymore?
 
I think we fans should dress in drag for the UL football game and the band play strip tease songs. A school announce "Drag Out" would be great.
 
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I figured I would roll on over to the OTIS board and see how miserable they were, and they were doing something only Tard fans could do ... blaming everyone but U of L. Unbelievable lol
 
There's a reason turtleneck kept Hurrt on the payroll after the NCAA investigation.
 
The things going on at UL reflect badly on all of college sports,it makes us look at the underworld of big time college athletics a bit differently. Is it worse,better or the same as handing out fake grades and fake degrees for 20 years or 50$ handshakes in the 70's and 80's?

The NCAA is way to busy worrying about a plate of pasta in Oklahoma,a tattoo in Ohio or a female college golfer using a university hose and water to wash her car.

We (on this board) have all had a great time with this because it is UL,but when I think in terms of the big picture I wish things like this didn't happen in college sports.
 
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Hacker's rant was during/after a Rutgers game up there. Said he(Carwell) shouldn't be allowed on the plane! Lol
It was late in the RutGirls game and either third or fourth (whichever, but RutGirls was going to have to punt the ball away) and Gardner hit the guy out of bounds which kept the RutGirls drive alive from which they scored the winning points. Ralphie was PISSED !
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Ul will suffer if he stays. He will have to completely ratchet everything down on recruiting. He won't be able to recruit good kids. Good luck with all of the future Chane Behanans, Kevin Wares, etc.

Meanwhile, Bobby p must be excited that Rick is dragging his name through the mud again.
 
If this happened at UK there is no doubt the athletics Director and Coach would be fired and maybe the President or at least forced to resign! just going by past experience
 
RP lawyers are not going to get him out of this mess.
After all is said and done this will effect every aspect of UL.
This marks the end of any significance to UL in sports.

Many seasons to come for the FB and BB programs under .500

I know a lot of people won't agree. They will expect Jurich to wave a magic wand, bribe someone, and make everything go away. But I think Jurich and Pitino are finished. Only a matter of time now. This scandal may take down President Ramsey too. Ramsey had his 1 shot to get out ahead of it and demand resignations, but he covered for Jurich instead. That will cost him in the end. At this point, knowing what we already know, the outcome you are predicting is the most likely. Sooner or later, they will have to clean house, and some booster relationships might be effected before it's over. Depends on where the money came from. If the NCAA doesn't backtrack the money trail, an ambitious prosecutor almost certainly will. This is a criminal matter. Misappropriation of funds, malfeasance, contributing to the delinquency of minors, trafficking in prostitution. Maybe more. The biggest remaining question is whether their football program is also involved, but that certainly seems likely.
 
Pitino's not going anywhere. Like it or not.
He is done. The best he can hope for is a chance to resign at the end of this season without admitting to anything. That's the best case. It can get much worse than that.
 
He is done. The best he can hope for is a chance to resign at the end of this season without admitting to anything. That's the best case. It can get much worse than that.

We'll see. The end of the season thing is a plausible scenario. Right now, I've seen zero indication the people that matter at Louisville are anything other than 100% in Pitino's corner.
 
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