Some people just do not want Patrick to succeed... Proof

[brianpoe]

I pulled this from another thread but I think it deserves it's own topic.

I understand criticism of any football player. PT had some rough quarters. I was glad to see the true fans bounce back and compliment him when he did well.

But some will give the kid zero praise and make up excuses for what he did wrong. That is not right.



Checkout this guys post mocking those who were praising PT and HIS analysis of Pat's shortcomings:

Keep it warm till Miss St, UT and Georgia line up.

I think he still is missing open receivers and telegraphing his pass.

1st Q

11:25 Should threw to screen man with 3vs2 blocking in front of him
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10:20 3rd and 9 Baker was more wide open on the right - still locked into one receiver.

2nd Q

10:50 Conrad makes an outstanding leaping catch over a 6'3 LB coverage. Locked on him the whole way while receiver to his left was open on a curl.

8:10 Good pass protection, checks down to Boom while receiver came open on left curl.

I think his strongest point this game was his mobility to make plays

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Time for some football 101 for you. Here it is:


1st Q
11:25 Should threw to screen man with 3vs2 blocking in front of him.

Wow, this is horrible.

Your "screen man" was a decoy genius. We had FOUR receivers on that side.

This left our lone wr on the opposite side in 1 on 1 coverage with 8 yard cushion.

ONE step drop quick stick pattern to that wr. Again it was a quick pass, immediate release, it was never

intended to be anything other than what it was.


The play was a decoy, you fell for it.

10:20 3rd and 9 Baker was more wide open on the right - still locked into one receiver.

Really???? Baker looks absolutely covered when PT throws this. AND he is cutting across the middle with another defender underneath him sitting on top of Conrad!!!

PT makes a quick decision, which is a major complaint on this board, AND chooses the perfect target: The wr on the left hash has inside position cutting to the sideline. PT puts it outside so only wr or incomplete pass are options.

2nd Q
10:50 Conrad makes an outstanding leaping catch over a 6'3 LB coverage. Locked on him the whole way while receiver to his left was open on a curl.


YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS??????

Conrad had his man beat (a lber) by TWO steps.

Jessie Palmer quote "And an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT PASS by Towles"

HUGE PICKUP - great throw/great catch and DOWN THE MIDDLE to the TIGHTEND splitting the safeties!!!

8:10 Good pass protection, checks down to Boom while receiver came open on left curl.


I thought you might get one of these correct...but again NO.

PT was in the pocket 4+ seconds started left and looked at ALL receivers. Your "curl" was not open until PT

was getting rid of the ball.


Musberger quote "That is something we didn't see last week PT going through progressions."


You tell me, after >4 seconds in the pocket who would you throw to?

Boom wide open in the flat?

ket




I really almost took your word for it, but EVERY play you chose was absolutely wrong.


Absolutely one of the biggest FAILS I have seen here. You owe PT and the readers here an apology.

 

[JC CATS]

He is obviously not a UK fan.

 

[domino79]

I hate that we don't know the true identity of these people who said this about Patrick!

 

[domino79]

If there were only a screen name associated with these criticisms!

 

[brianpoe]

He is obviously not a UK fan.

I really think he is, looking at all of his posts. Unless he is a very good troll, he just does not like PT for some reason?

Maybe he is Drew's baby brother and that would make sense, otherwise no reason for this crap.

2 things are for sure:

1. He doesn't like PT
2. Has zero football knowlege.

 

[ukcatsfan2]

Wow! That's a lot of work for someone that probably doesn't exist

But it applies to other 10-15 so-called Nuts!

 

[brianpoe]

Wow! That's a lot of work for someone that probably doesn't exist

But it applies to other 10-15 so-called Nuts!

Yeah well I only intended on looking at the first one, I had the game up on the screen.

Besides, I rebuilt the Talbott Tavern after it burned down several years ago, many of you Booker Noe neighbors still owe me a drink or two!

 

[Anjiejo]

In all fairness, towles deserves praise for the game he played last night..he played great..he has all the physical ability to be a great qb..but thru out his career he has been very inconsistent and at times looked unprepared to qb his team to a win.. I very seldom get critical of a player simply because its hard to tell how good a player can actually be.. But for towles he deserved the criticism he got last week because he can play much better than what he did..Glad that he got it together and hope this is a new start to another level for his career..
But if his play continues to be like the last year (a great game with 4 bad games) there comes a point in where the staff will need to take a look at that position in order to be fair to the rest of the team.. Yes I think barker will be a very good qb,I prefer not to go thru another young qb development but if your starter isn't giving your athletes like juice,baker, bone,conrade boom, ect to be successful then there needs to be change..
Hope this is a wakeup call for towles to be focused every game...

 

[brianpoe]

In all fairness, towles deserves praise for the game he played last night..he played great..he has all the physical ability to be a great qb..but thru out his career he has been very inconsistent and at times looked unprepared to qb his team to a win.. I very seldom get critical of a player simply because its hard to tell how good a player can actually be.. But for towles he deserved the criticism he got last week because he can play much better than what he did..Glad that he got it together and hope this is a new start to another level for his career..
But if his play continues to be like the last year (a great game with 4 bad games) there comes a point in where the staff will need to take a look at that position in order to be fair to the rest of the team.. Yes I think barker will be a very good qb,I prefer not to go thru another young qb development but if your starter isn't giving your athletes like juice,baker, bone,conrade boom, ect to be successful then there needs to be change..
Hope this is a wakeup call for towles to be focused every game...

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But this thread is about those who are only able to be negative on the kid, even when he plays exceptional.

 

[Anjiejo]

There might have been unfair criticism last week,but there is also unfair praise!!! If you can praise a player then you should also be able to criticise a player if he flat doesn't bring it for a big game like Florida ...I think its fair to expect a player to play up to his potential for the most part..they all have bad games but he had to many to not be concerned...I see every other position getting called out for getting beat numerous times..QB should be no different... Jordan swindle is one that gets a lot of criticism, and it sort of unfair because he had his physical limits which are getting exposed..if a player is giving 100% (or close to that) that's all you can really ask for..Fred tiller is another one that comes to mind..its not his fault he can't cover sec WR.. There are others as well.if a position keeps getting beat then its on the coaches for not recruiting the players to play that position..
P.S. there is nothing wrong with pointing out where we got beat whether that's line play or qb play..
There is my rant Be consistent whether qb/ot. Or a point guard!

 

[Anjiejo]

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But this thread is about those who are only able to be negative on the kid, even when he plays exceptional.

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But this thread is about those who are only able to be negative on the kid, even when he plays exceptional.

I understand some always see the negative and dog a player..but there are also those who hardly ever let a poster point out a player isn't getting the job done...

 

[Poetax]

There might have been unfair criticism last week,but there is also unfair praise!!! If you can praise a player then you should also be able to criticise a player if he flat doesn't bring it for a big game like Florida ...I think its fair to expect a player to play up to his potential for the most part..they all have bad games but he had to many to not be concerned...I see every other position getting called out for getting beat numerous times..QB should be no different... Jordan swindle is one that gets a lot of criticism, and it sort of unfair because he had his physical limits which are getting exposed..if a player is giving 100% (or close to that) that's all you can really ask for..Fred tiller is another one that comes to mind..its not his fault he can't cover sec WR.. There are others as well.if a position keeps getting beat then its on the coaches for not recruiting the players to play that position..
P.S. there is nothing wrong with pointing out where we got beat whether that's line play or qb play..
There is my rant Be consistent whether qb/ot. Or a point guard!

I'm still under the belief that teams lose games not individual players. Towles didn't play well early but several factors came into play as well. We saw things this past weekend that we never saw before so maybe it's just as simple as the coaches getting used to the players.

 

[Anjiejo]

may be just as dumb as him!! Sorry didn't mean to hijack your thread...
The point I'm trying to make is the simple fact that as critical as he is of pt there are those that are as blind to the fact he really struggled in the last 8 games of his career for the most part..
Here I go and hijack your thread again..
Towles had a very good game and yes that poster should give him credit!!
P.s.again if I was disrespectful I apologize... I see a lot of disrespectful post on here and try to stay respectful to all other people..

 

[brianpoe]

I may be just as dumb as him!! Sorry didn't mean to hijack your tread...
The point I'm trying to make is the simple fact that as critical as he is of pt there are those that are as blind to the fact he really struggled in the last 8 games of his career for the most part..
Here I go and hijack your tread again..
Towles had a very good game and yes that poster should give him credit!!

I agree that he struggled. Very inconsistent. But you are a real fan, you have every right to voice an opinion and I agree with yours, before and after this past game.

But you also do not make up imaginary crap after the kid does well for no reason like this other guy.

 

[TheySoSensitive]

Towles deserved criticism for his first few games, he did not deserve the amount of criticism he got nor the viciousness of the comments.

If someone finds any negativity with his game against Mizzou then I seriously doubt their football knowledge. He hit on most of his throws, made multiple clutch plays and showed his ability as a runner when things broke down. It was an amazing performance against a very good defense with his job on the line...now that monkey is off his back he can relax and let the game come to him as he did last night.

 

[BBBLazing]

Towles deserved criticism for his first few games, he did not deserve the amount of criticism he got nor the viciousness of the comments.

If someone finds any negativity with his game against Mizzou then I seriously doubt their football knowledge. He hit on most of his throws, made multiple clutch plays and showed his ability as a runner when things broke down. It was an amazing performance against a very good defense with his job on the line...now that monkey is off his back he can relax and let the game come to him as he did last night.

I agree Patrick played great. I also agree with Angelo that you all need to be consistent, just like Patrick does. If he can be praised for good games, he can be criticized for bad games, and while he was fantastic last night like we all know he can be, he has been fantastic less than he has been bad. I believe he is our quarterback and hope he continues to play as he did last night. I also hope UK fans quit talking out of both sides of their mouths. This post I'm quoting talks about Missouri having a very good defense. All week leading up to this one, this board criticized Missouri's defense and the teams they played and how they were no where near as talented as Florida. We can't have it both ways. They don't suck until we beat them and then they are good. I've been criticized on this board quite a bit about my opinions and all I can say is that what I want is a Kentucky team that competes and Kentucky fans that are honest about our team and players....and quit saying that the refs always make calls against us because we are Kentucky. Someone earlier said we get bad calls because we were a border state in the civil war. That is embarrassing as a UK fan.

 

[Anjiejo]

If I may I would like to make another post!
No problem... Far as that poster he shouldn't post if he gets bent out of shape thruout a game...I usually try not to post when I'm frustrated..effects my judgement... He may be a towles hater,or just be a fan who let his emotions get the best of him..That is if those post were when mizz took the lead..if they were after the game then no excuse..

 

[brianpoe]

I agree Patrick played great. I also agree with Angelo that you all need to be consistent, just like Patrick does. If he can be praised for good games, he can be criticized for bad games, and while he was fantastic last night like we all know he can be, he has been fantastic less than he has been bad. I believe he is our quarterback and hope he continues to play as he did last night. I also hope UK fans quit talking out of both sides of their mouths. This post I'm quoting talks about Missouri having a very good defense. All week leading up to this one, this board criticized Missouri's defense and the teams they played and how they were no where near as talented as Florida. We can't have it both ways. They don't suck until we beat them and then they are good. I've been criticized on this board quite a bit about my opinions and all I can say is that what I want is a Kentucky team that competes and Kentucky fans that are honest about our team and players....and quit saying that the refs always make calls against us because we are Kentucky. Someone earlier said we get bad calls because we were a border state in the civil war. That is embarrassing as a UK fan.

Again, this is about posting false facts not general criticism.

We do have some folks that go to extremes both ways no doubt.

As to the border state comment, consider the source...

 

[TheySoSensitive]

You must be quoting the wrong person because I've never made a comment about Mizzou not being good, nor did I say anything about the refs.

I think a lot of the knee jerk reactions are from people who may not be as knowledgeable about football and rank our opponents based upon what they read in box scores.

 

[brianpoe]

If I may I would like to make another post!
No problem... Far as that poster he shouldn't post if he gets bent out of shape thruout a game...I usually try not to post when I'm frustrated..effects my judgement... He may be a towles hater,or just be a fan who let his emotions get the best of him..That is if those post were when mizz took the lead..if they were after the game then no excuse..

We all post frustrated during the game, but he was very specific as to his criticism. Maybe he just doesn't understand football?

 

[TheySoSensitive]

Again, this is about posting false facts not general criticism.

We do have some folks that go to extremes both ways no doubt.

As to the border state comment, consider the source...

Agreed. Towles deserved to be criticized for the way he has played. He did not deserve some of the attacks that were made towards him. Reminded me of the Matt Jones hate that comes from these boards. Sometimes it takes a game like that for things to 'click'...

 

[buckkiller]

UF game PT deserved to get dogged but this Last game he deserves the praise. If he played as half as good against Florida as he did Mizz HELL we would be 4-0 no doubt. He sucked a huge fat one against UF. Like it or not he killed us in the Florida game.

 

[Levibooty]

Fact is the only person who can shut the critics up about Patrick Towles play is Patrick Towles. That is what Towles did against Mizzou but he needs to continue to play well to put to bed the criticism of lack of consistency. I hope he does just that.

 

[brianpoe]

UF game PT deserved to get dogged but this Last game he deserves the praise. If he played as half as good against Florida as he did Mizz HELL we would be 4-0 no doubt. He sucked a huge fat one against UF. Like it or not he killed us in the Florida game.

Fact is the only person who can shut the critics up about Patrick Towles play is Patrick Towles. That is what Towles did against Mizzou but he needs to continue to play well to put to bed the criticism of lack of consistency. I hope he does just that.

No doubts. And criticism is one thing, but if people are going to make false claims they should be called out.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

Great post, OP

I swear some "fans" would rather lose with Barmed than win with Pat

 

[secrules3]

I've been as critical of Towles as just about anyone I would guess but he had a great game.

Also, I'm really starting to see that man crush some people were talking about .

 

[Gary4UK]

There is one guy that I can't remember that calls Patrick, the hair, all the time.. I know the way that he writes his articles that they are asinine......

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

I don't get the Haye on his hair...it's not like it's 2 feet long.

 

[ukcatsfan2]

Yeah well I only intended on looking at the first one, I had the game up on the screen.

Besides, I rebuilt the Talbott Tavern after it burned down several years ago, many of you Booker Noe neighbors still owe me a drink or two!

Even Booker doesn't have the Power he used to have.... with the big Sell-Off a few years ago.

it ain't a family run business any more.....

But you come back to Bardstown and Look me up for a drink or two....

 

[JustthefaxMa'am]

OP is 100% wrong in his assessment. They do what him to succeed badly but are frustrated with his inconsistency. I think this is common when you have expectations this high. Inconsistency turns fans on you plain and simple. Happens in the NFL also. Btw if you are inconsistent, you are not a great quarterback. You can have bad games but not almost as many as good.

 

[Levibooty]

OP is 100% wrong in his assessment. They do what him to succeed badly but are frustrated with his inconsistency. I think this is common when you have expectations this high. Inconsistency turns fans on you plain and simple. Happens in the NFL also. Btw if you are inconsistent, you are not a great quarterback. You can have bad games but not almost as many as good.

Truth here.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

OP is 100% wrong in his assessment. They do what him to succeed badly but are frustrated with his inconsistency. I think this is common when you have expectations this high. Inconsistency turns fans on you plain and simple. Happens in the NFL also. Btw if you are inconsistent, you are not a great quarterback. You can have bad games but not almost as many as good.

How is OP wrong at all? He is sharply cticizing the statements another poster made about PT's performance. The other guy, sounds like he may be a buddy of yours, was proven wrong. It had nothing to do with fair criticism of PT. btw, there should have been absolutely zero criticism of PT's performance Saturday. If you were still criticizing him for that game, you need to realize you are more of a PT hater than a UK fan. Deal with it or change is all I can say.

 

[brianpoe]

I've been as critical of Towles as just about anyone I would guess but he had a great game.

Also, I'm really starting to see that man crush some people were talking about .

OP is 100% wrong in his assessment. They do what him to succeed badly but are frustrated with his inconsistency. I think this is common when you have expectations this high. Inconsistency turns fans on you plain and simple. Happens in the NFL also. Btw if you are inconsistent, you are not a great quarterback. You can have bad games but not almost as many as good.

Truth here.

Really Secrules?

I was one of the ones who said Drew should get snaps early this past game.

I also said if he is equal or better to go with the young guy.

So there is your man crush.


Fax and Levi,

I am be wrong in that the poster does not want PT to succeed.

We have all talked about PT's consistency, this isn't about that.

Little bit of reading comprehension here. I mentioned that he has had issues.

Fans turning on a player? Does that mean they have to make things up to prove their point?

His initial quote laughing off the praise and good game PT had was questionable.

The post was more about the specific examples he used.

Do you agree with him on those specific plays?

I would love to hear your opinion on those or you just hijacking another thread to provide your continued issues.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But this thread is about those who are only able to be negative on the kid, even when he plays exceptional.

You and a few other posters cant be objective enough to see that Towles really wasnt playing well. Then you take it to the next level and accuse reasonable posters with reasonable opinions of not wanting Towles to succeed. Its ridiculous.

Towles played ok vs ULL and SC. Bad against UF. Good against Mizzou. I dont understand why thats even up for debate if youre an objective fan. Even more, why are reasonable posters vilified by you and a few others, just because we dont proclaim every Towles' game to be a great game?

 

[brianpoe]

How is OP wrong at all? He is sharply cticizing the statements another poster made about PT's performance. The other guy, sounds like he may be a buddy of yours, was proven wrong. It had nothing to do with fair criticism of PT. btw, there should have been absolutely zero criticism of PT's performance Saturday. If you were still criticizing him for that game, you need to realize you are more of a PT hater than a UK fan. Deal with it or change is all I can say.

Kind of perplexing.

Either people are stupid or upset that PT actually made them look bad with his performance.

I, like many others was forced to eat some crow and I am glad to do it.

Others care more about being right than anything else I guess.

I would not be surprised if PT has an inconsistent game vs EKU, I do not think one great game will change the kid to Dan Fouts.

I still think Drew needs snaps, but hope PT can build on this game.

But damn, the examples the guy chose were so wrong I thought they should have been called out.

 

[brianpoe]

You and a few other posters cant be objective enough to see that Towles really wasnt playing well. Then you take it to the next level and accuse reasonable posters with reasonable opinions of not wanting Towles to succeed. Its ridiculous.

Towles played ok vs ULL and SC. Bad against UF. Good against Mizzou. I dont understand why thats even up for debate if youre an objective fan. Even more, why are reasonable posters vilified by you and a few others, just because we dont proclaim every Towles' game to be a great game?

This is not a debate about PT!!!!!!!

I was calling for snaps for Drew along with many others this game, I wasn't sure PT would ever get to the consistency we need.

This game, he was great and I was wrong.


Can you people not read?


This is about someone who did two things:


1. Refuse any praise for PT after that game.

2. Provided examples that PT did worse than we all thought.

My opinion:

It is pathetic a fan could not praise that game.

And his examples were absolutely wrong.


How about some of you be OBJECTIVE and read the post?



Do you think PT deserved praise THIS game?


Do you think this guys examples are correct based on basic football knowledge?



That is all this post is about, not you girls wanting to tell us that PT has had bad games in the past.

 

[Levibooty]

Brian Poe

Most all of our opponents don't want Towles to succeed. I just can't get close to your suspicions of our own fans wanting Towles to fail. To me that is taking things to far. On the internet you will come across a lot of different posters with different intentions but to rant about a single poster who may or may not be a member of BBN and hold that out as something to rant about repeatedly as an on going issue seems a bit "off the mark" to me.

 

[brianpoe]

Brian Poe

Most all of our opponents don't want Towles to succeed. I just can't get close to your suspicions of our own fans wanting Towles to fail. To me that is taking things to far. On the internet you will come across a lot of different posters with different intentions but to rant about a single poster who may or may not be a member of BBN and hold that out as something to rant about repeatedly as an on going issue seems a bit "off the mark" to me.

Repeatedly? I have not said this repeatedly. I agreed with many of your posts prior to this past game, remember?

I may be wrong in that it is more than just this guys who feels this way.

It is suspicious so that so many of you are so upset by me calling him out and them thinking I am talking about them...

You gave gave PT praise, I read that. So I wasn't talking about you.

There are many UK fans who are miserable asses no matter what.

And my rant, on this ONE post is about the examples he used. Not sure why so many of you cannot understand this, maybe I should do a better job in my wording?

 

[Levibooty]

Repeatedly? I have not said this repeatedly. I agreed with many of your posts prior to this past game, remember?

I may be wrong in that it is more than just this guys who feels this way.

It is suspicious so that so many of you are so upset by me calling him out and them thinking I am talking about them...

You gave gave PT praise, I read that. So I wasn't talking about you.

There are many UK fans who are miserable asses no matter what.

And my rant, on this ONE post is about the examples he used. Not sure why so many of you cannot understand this, maybe I should do a better job in my wording?

Yes Brian I think you try to have good conversations. Here is another example of where you start to lose me:
"WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO STUPID?"

You are usually above that. I think you should take a breath and realize you will be driven nuts if you take everything so seriously. Don't do that because you are a pretty decent poster here. I don't want to see that go south.

 

[brianpoe]

Yes Brian I think you try to have good conversations. Here is another example of where you start to lose me:
"WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO STUPID?"

You are usually above that. I think you should take a breath and realize you will be driven nuts if you take everything so seriously. Don't do that because you are a pretty decent poster here. I don't want to see that go south.

You are right about that.

It is frustrating when people say the OP is wrong and go off on a totally different subject to prove their point.

Wasn't about PT's consistency.

Wasnt about his bad game at UF.

Wasnt about a man crush.


I just gave the opinion that SOME people do want to see PT fail just so that they look right.

I think the guy I made the post about is a UK fan looking at his previous posts.

I think his denial that PT had a good game is questionable.

I think the examples he used were wrong.

This is all just my opinion.

And I rebutted this with facts regarding his examples.

Just my opinion I could be wrong.


Why can't some of you rebut with facts regarding THIS post instead of going off on tangents about PT's entire career and how frustrated you have been for so many games now?


My apologies to any one offended.