The money says he'll get another year of mediocrity regardless. Only chance is if he departs willingly like Cal did.
So realistically what will happen?
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I think the oc we have is good we need to get rid of control freak stoops reminder it's no coincidence all the ocs that leave here really Excell stoops has got to go
To answer the question here is what is realistically going to happen. Nothing. We'll get a bunch of I'm mad, we gotta get to work, look at these good recruit, we're putting in the work, buy my bourbon, we've got a great team but we play in the SEC and the schedule is hard interviews. We get hopes up, win a couple cupcakes, get beat in the SEC rinse repeat.
I can not agree more Grumpy. I think UK's situation is now a lot like Georgia's was when Kirby Smart was hired. We all know the results of that change. Mark Richt did a good job at Georgia - but sometimes it's time for a change for the good of the program. Georgia had Kirby doing his thing at Alabama and made the right move. The closest thing we have to Kirby is Jon. It's time for UK to make the move - the goal line is just going to keep getting further and further away if we don't.
It will not be easy - and I remember the first year's of Kirby's at Georgia. Georgia is now a completely different team than the first couple of Kirby's teams. I hope and feel confident Jon would do the same at UK - with reasonable fan expectations.
Go Big Blue!
This is true.
Like Mark Richt, Stoops has some pretty good seasons, but as they recede into the rear-view mirror, they don’t mean near as much.
Stoops will get next year for certain: no way we pony up in excess of 35 million with the new revenue sharing likely to cost just as much, next season.
Chop about 18 million off the buyout, and it becomes far more likely, post-2025.
And the Smart hiring was of a young coach: he was 40 years old when hired.
Jon Sumrall is 42 years old, today.
Stoops has earn more than 1 losing season with no bowl game, if just going by that.
I do think we have a losing season, Auburn Loss, UT loss, Texas Loss, Murray win, Louisville Loss. We cannot score enough to win those games. Our defense might put us in close games but come up short. 4-8 is where we are right now. 5-7 would be the best we could do I think.
I do think we have a losing season, Auburn Loss, UT loss, Texas Loss, Murray win, Louisville Loss. We cannot score enough to win those games. Our defense might put us in close games but come up short. 4-8 is where we are right now. 5-7 would be the best we could do I think.
This and lack of discipline are massive issues.
This is what sets Saban and others apart. Saban had a philosophy issue at bama that didn't fit with their QB's last skill set. So what did Saban do? Decided to change his philosophy in the middle of the season and they won a title.
Stoops is too stubborn. Its sad.
Well, I'm repeating myself from another thread but I think we'll see a 4 or 5 win season this year and next year the offense will improve but the defense will suck and we'll win 3-4 games next year and then Stoops will be gone in some way. Nothing good will happen for UK football before the 2026 or 2027 season, and only then if Barny hires a better coach but he seems to prefer walking cliches instead of football coaches.
Well, whether earned, or necessitated by the huge buyout (and one could argue that is really the same thing), it ain’t going to happen post-2024.
In the meanwhile, I hope for at least a 6-6, not because it makes a huge difference. . . but with a 9 bowl game streak, I think Iowa stays in play for a golden parachute.
I think it is more like 33%, your 2 options and I’m going with the 3rd option of Stoops talking about changes but doing what he always does coaching wise. I think he is like Cal and doesn’t really know how to change things up, he thinks because we won 10 games a few times before he can do the same thing every year with different players.
So if we are this bad but don't pay a coach very much then it's okay? That seems to be your point. So let's just get a cheap coach.
Yes Hack - Kirby was 40 and Jon is the right age to make this move. We don;t want to hire a 60 plus year old guy who would be with us for 5 years or so. Jon, would more than likely be a decade to retirement type hire - if he was successful as most of us believe he would be. But lets think about this money thing a little bit. Buyout price and contract price COULD actually be two different things. Another thing could be paying $9 million a year while hiring a guy for $5 million is in reality not a 45 million buyout cost. What is the cost of money - $3 million income off from keeping 45 million in the bank. So, the net cost would be $6 million to buy him out per year long term. So, the net cost to hire Jon might be 6 million buyout cost plus 5 million to Jon, so total cost of coach becomes $11 million instead of $9 million. So, does 2 million a year seem like a reasonable deal to change coaches?
Many other approaches to consider and what the actual net affect of the buyout would be. If we keep Stoops and lose 10, 000 fans in the seats for 7 home games - how much is that cost? I would say at least $1 million per game! The loss of 10,000 tickets would pay the entire buyout cost!
Plus maybe Stoops is getting tired of all of this and realizes he can go out a legend and a hero. What is that worth to him long run in terms of other potential good will and income? Anyway - we can all come up with our opinions - these decisions are not in anyone's hands but UK's administration. The decision needs to be based on what is good for UK long term - not short term! Short term thinking is why our football program has lost $100's of millions of dollars over the last 50 years!
If you don;t think I am correct then look at the other schools with the huge stadiums filled up with fans paying double what UK charges? Fans will pay to see a winner. Here's a fact for you. I sat in the end zone of Florida's 90,000 seat stadium this weekend - game was listed as a sellout - last weekend. Those tickets, purchased thru UK, were $125 each. My UK season ticket price on the 30 yard line are $56 for the Auburn game. HMM - now take 30,000 extra seats at $125 per game and that is $ 3,75 million for one game! Then add in 60,000 tickets at $70 more = that is $4.2 million dollars. That's almost $8 million per home game more money just from ticket sales! Plus all the concession money! Keeping it simple - that is about $60 million a year in lost ticket revenue! If UK had just committed to football decades ago how much money would the program have to make changes and do things differently? This is why you can;t think short term! If you know you are going to make a change - you don't wait - waiting cost even more money and creates more bad feelings as well!
Go Big Blue!
Just got in from some errands. Has Stoops resigned yet? 🙏🙏🤞🤞
For Stoops to resign that would be an offensive move on his part. He has no idea how to generate offensive move. He is defensive minded. He is waiting to be fired, he knows how to handle the defensive side. lol
In my opinion Stoops is back next year. Beyond that who knows. I think Hamden needs to go and we need to go get a high profile OC, with a clause that gives that person full control of the offense.
I think Wolford needs to go as OL as well.
We need to go hit the portal very hard for several OL. No offense to the current players
I don't believe Vandergriff or Wimsatt will be back.
Either give Boley a 100% chance next year or go get a high profile QB.
I just think that Hamden is not adapting or making any adjustments to help. He's way over his head.
After hearing of the death of Stoops mother this morning, I think that may have been a big part of the problem too. I've been thru that with both of my parents, and was very hard on me and my siblings. It took away my focus from other things in my life.
If he fails in 2025, no doubt it's time for a change.
I know I was all for Stoops being fired, but after calling down and looking at the overall picture , I think he deserves 1 more year.
We also need to make coaching changes on the defensive side. Mike Stoops and Buffalo need to go.
I read the article about Woodyard the other day.
Would be a great hire. He seems to my age the same passion and allegiance to UK as our new head basketball coach.
Maybe reassign Marrow to a full-time recruiting coordinator as well.
Bring on Conrad as the tight end coach, he also seems to have the passion for UK.
I know he, and Woodyard are inexperienced, but
they would bring a certain passion, desire back. And I think that's what we need.
Let's finish this season strong, and build a great future.
Sorry for the ramble
Just my humble opinion as a long time UK football fan.
GI BIG BLUE
PS. As I type this I watching Paul Finebaum listening to all the AL fans that want their coach
fired. It's brutal.😂😂😂
I think Wolford needs to go as OL as well.
We need to go hit the portal very hard for several OL. No offense to the current players
I don't believe Vandergriff or Wimsatt will be back.
Either give Boley a 100% chance next year or go get a high profile QB.
I just think that Hamden is not adapting or making any adjustments to help. He's way over his head.
After hearing of the death of Stoops mother this morning, I think that may have been a big part of the problem too. I've been thru that with both of my parents, and was very hard on me and my siblings. It took away my focus from other things in my life.
If he fails in 2025, no doubt it's time for a change.
I know I was all for Stoops being fired, but after calling down and looking at the overall picture , I think he deserves 1 more year.
We also need to make coaching changes on the defensive side. Mike Stoops and Buffalo need to go.
I read the article about Woodyard the other day.
Would be a great hire. He seems to my age the same passion and allegiance to UK as our new head basketball coach.
Maybe reassign Marrow to a full-time recruiting coordinator as well.
Bring on Conrad as the tight end coach, he also seems to have the passion for UK.
I know he, and Woodyard are inexperienced, but
they would bring a certain passion, desire back. And I think that's what we need.
Let's finish this season strong, and build a great future.
Sorry for the ramble
Just my humble opinion as a long time UK football fan.
GI BIG BLUE
PS. As I type this I watching Paul Finebaum listening to all the AL fans that want their coach
fired. It's brutal.😂😂😂
Our group was planning on making it to a couple of games, but after the South Carolina beat down, we've decided to do other things. Was so optimistic like every other year, but then we played 🤮
So to answer the question what happens, obviously nothing until the end of the season if then. Stoops continuing here as head coach will most probably depend on how the season finishes both w/l wise and on-field performance, and how the fans base, donors and administration react to that. In short if Stoops limbs to the finish line with 4 or maybe 5 wins, and receives a cold reception going forwarding knowing the fan support, funding and NIL will be reduced significantly, then the most likely thing is a negotiated buyout. But again it depends on how the season finishes if he can pick up the pieces and show some significant progress maybe beating a UT or Texas on their home turf, then there is no way he heads for the exits.
As much as fans would like to know the future now, at this stage it's just speculation.
We don’t need a tight ends coach. The o line coach can teach them to block. They never get passes. Stoops just needs to go and it doesn’t matter how he leaves. My group will not be going to another game until he is gone. This has been a severely disappointing season.
I love WW as much as any Cat fan does, and would hope he could join our staff.
But when you have an experienced option or two who have proven their chops as a Head Coach, I do not think Woodward will be considered for the top spot.
I liked Richt, I think hexwas one of the best men in college athletics. He was intense and fired competitor his first 5-6 years, then his wife become sick and his priorities noticeably changed. Really have to admire his dedication to his family. His last couple years he just looked tired, turned out he had Parkinson's. Good man, got dealth some bad cards, but he had lost the fire and SEC head coach has to have. Kirby was a big gamble, he made some mistakes, but learned pretty quick. UK will be making a big bet too if it changes, but the rewards can be pretty sweet if you win.
After thinking on it I believe there is a real good chance Stoops will want to leave after this year if he gets an offer. He has to know his defense will go downhill a lot next season and he'll likely have a bad year and get bought out. So maybe he'd want to coach somewhere easier to win...
Not much hope really. His salary is a problem obviously but the biggest thing is the perception of UK in the SEC. People (and I mean top recruits) just don't view UK as a destination, trust me I've coached several of them. Best outcome would be for The Iowa or FSU coach to resign and one of those schools come after him. He is a good coach that has hit his ceiling here and will do well at either of those schools.
Stoops had this program on the rise until the portal and NIL really kicked in. There’s no good data immediately available as far as I know. But is UK football really competitive at an SEC level with NIL? It’s probably not going to matter a whole lot who the coach is if the answer to that question is “no”.
He may not like it or be good at it or want to participate. And I’m sympathetic with his point that his ad doesn’t really help him much with it. But to look up and see Vandy and Indiana and such doing fine by making staff changes I’m not throwing up any white flags to nil. I mean sc doesn’t have tons of nil they’re reasonably young this year by todays standards and mauled us.
I’ll admit I really don’t know squat about Indiana. But are you telling me they’ve gone from 3-9 to 8-0 without significant upgrades to the roster?
Yeah they’ve had a ton of turnover but they aren’t rolling out gobs of nil and none of their guys were big time portal guys. A few of the coaches guys came from jmu in the sunbelt and other guys weren’t some obvious studs in the portal. Which is an argument for why people shouldn’t be scared when a change does come. Only fear it if we don’t get a competent coach.
Being a coach is taxing. There’s a reason he’s the longest tenured coach in the league. Other than the truly exceptional ones, most can’t keep a program moving forward for 13+ years. I appreciate coach stoops. He’s shown it’s possible to win here. Time for something different tho
Remember when the fans were down in Joker we lost twenty thousand season ticket holders who mostly never cam back. We used to advertise 70 thousand strong . Then reduced capacity of the stadium to make it not look so bad . Say we only lose ten to fifteen thousand fans next season if he stays . What Is that worth when you consider extra contributions to Kfund . He must go .
I really don’t think it has anything to do with NIL. We kept our roster together more than just about any other team, and we brought in several players from big programs that we thought would be difference makers.
Where we screwed up is not putting more money into the O line/hiring a bad O line coach, and BVG and chip traynam being complete and total wastes of money. The money itself wasn’t the issue, we put it in the wrong areas and got very unlucky with where we did put it.
If lack of money was really a problem, we’d have lost deon or Maxwell or Barion or Dane. After this year though I could see money being a problem cause the donors certainly didn’t get any ROI.
Stoops isn't going anywhere unless he wants to. My opinion hasn't changed.
Gonna need a lot more NIL to compete in modern and expanded sec.
Indiana is a goofy comparison. They play their first top 25 opponent in game 11 this season. UK or any sec team has usually played 3 or 4 by then if not 5.
Gonna need a lot more NIL to compete in modern and expanded sec.
Indiana is a goofy comparison. They play their first top 25 opponent in game 11 this season. UK or any sec team has usually played 3 or 4 by then if not 5.
We have played 2 top 25 teams and we beat one of them lmao
Our schedule has barely been harder than theirs. We still have 2 more 30+ point beat downs coming. We are now 0-4 against unranked SEC teams, so your point doesn’t make a lot of sense regarding Indiana.
This is reality for the Kentucky Football program. Beat teams like Murray State, hope to get lucky, get luck to beat an awful SEC team which isn't given after tonight's dismal performance and upset a good school like Ole Miss once in a while.
We can judge teams by relating a team to other conferences but not coaches. I mean we recruit as well as we do because we are in the sec. We recruit like sec and play in the sec. They are t playing elite teams and they don’t have elite players by credential anyway. No, Indy isn’t having to play the highest end schedule but it’s not like he’s playing it with elite reputation players. Guys from jmu coming over, etc. so he’s playing against what he plays against with similar players. And that’s doing a good job. Whether those players could compete against the sec isn’t really relevant in assessing the job he does or not.
I'm not saying we can't go 6 and 6 or 7 and 5. My point is you aren't making the playoff and going 11 and 1 at UK. And UK will end up playing 4 top 10 teams this season.
IU is gonna go 11 and 1 and not beat a top 25 team.
No one is arguing Stoops needs replaced but barnie won't do it. I'm just saying the next guy won't win anything that matters. He should be able to win some sec home games and win 7 or 8 games some seasons.
its just not that simple. It’s not that Barnhart won’t do it, he got conned into signing another calipari contract and he can’t afford to pay him 44 million dollars to not coach.
The Vandy coach is playing in the SEC and all their games in the SEC has been respectable, even the ones they lost.
Yep. My point is we can’t say cignetti, or whomever, can’t do it in the sec with their curent team and use that to say that means they can’t build something sec
I don’t think CMS wants to be here anymore. His heart just isn’t in it.
He won’t be fired. I think something might be negotiated. Or he may just leave. As bad as this sucks for us, I can’t imagine it’s any better for him. He looks like a heart attack waiting to happen. He and his family are set financially. The money he would be walking away isn’t worth what another year of this would mean to his mental and potentially physical health. He should take a year or 2 to decide what he does want to do. I just really don’t think he will be back next season.
He won’t be fired. I think something might be negotiated. Or he may just leave. As bad as this sucks for us, I can’t imagine it’s any better for him. He looks like a heart attack waiting to happen. He and his family are set financially. The money he would be walking away isn’t worth what another year of this would mean to his mental and potentially physical health. He should take a year or 2 to decide what he does want to do. I just really don’t think he will be back next season.
