Maybe.
You want to be in the top 20 in both ideally. OU is the only team that's close to that.
But in a year where there really isnt any dominant teams, they may all be in pretty good shape.
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Maybe.
You want to be in the top 20 in both ideally. OU is the only team that's close to that.
But in a year where there really isnt any dominant teams, they may all be in pretty good shape.
i thought before duke last year (they didn't guard anything) every title team was top 40 in both offense & defense?
was it actually top 20?
was it actually top 20?
I think every single championship since efficiency stats been around has been in top 20 in both with the exception of one of the Uconn teams.
Right now these teams fit that criteria
Iowa 6th/16th
And that's it lol. Goes to further illustrate the point not any dominant teams in college basketball.
Right now these teams fit that criteria
Iowa 6th/16th
And that's it lol. Goes to further illustrate the point not any dominant teams in college basketball.
i thought duke was like 80th in defensive efficiency last year?
if they weren't, they need to adjust the model, because they were terrible
if they weren't, they need to adjust the model, because they were terrible
Last year they were 12th.
Your probably thinking of the other years tho as they have been terrible on that side of the ball for awhile now
2012 = 81st which is the year they got upset in the first round I believe. Not too shocking.
2013 = 31st
2014 = 116th
2015 = 12th
2016 = 144th
Obviously anything could happen, but the odds of 3 big 12 teams in the final four are slim. I don't know if this guy gets the memo, but when tourney time comes around, you never depend on teams from the big 12 going far. That league has the most teams that choke when it comes to March than any league in the country and it's not close. If Kansas is one of those "expected" big 12 teams to make it to the final four, i'll just LAUGH OUT LOUD and end my comment. Out of all the teams in the big 12, the Sooners are the only team that will not prove to be overrated when the tourney is upon us. Those guys for real and their 2 guard is one of the best, if not the best player in the country. I know Simmons will be a beast in the Nba, but if we're talking college basketball, their shooting guard has a nice case for national player of the year this year!
they were 12th in defensive efficiency with okafor standing under the rim and occasionally sticking an arm up in the air
yeah, college basketball is great
yeah, college basketball is great
they were 12th in defensive efficiency with okafor standing under the rim and occasionally sticking an arm up in the air
yeah, college basketball is great
lol
Efficiency stats are just really the same as points per game but factoring in tempo.
So 2015 Duke did something different than what they been doing lol.
Ya know looking at it tho it is kinda interesting......overall Duke was 12th in defensive efficiency.
However, in conference games they only ranked 7th out of 15 teams
So they must have done real well out of conference for that number to be that high lol
However, in conference games they only ranked 7th out of 15 teams
So they must have done real well out of conference for that number to be that high lol
no, i understand what the models are based on, for the most part
just hard to believe that between the half-assed zone they dicked around with and okafor's total lack of effort that teams had that much trouble against them
jones wasn't a great defender, either
More likely he is thinking of earlier in the season last year. Duke had been much lower until the latter part of the season. Very similar to what UNCheat has done this year. They were in the 60s and 70s for much of this season, but now they are in the 30s, and will be probably be in the 20s by tourney time.
In the tournament?
So seven teams made it. Lets look in terms of seeding and expected wins.
Texas was an 11 seed and lost to a 6. So they did as expected.
Oklahoma St. was a 9 seed and lost to Oregon. Again that's a 50/50 game but they were the worse seed.
WVU was a 5. They knocked off the 12 and the 4. They did better than expected. (tho I have to say Maryland was seeded too high to begin with)
Baylor was a 3. Got upset in the first round. So definitely worse.
Iowa St was a 3. Also got upset in the first round. So definitely worse.
Oklahoma was a 3. Upset in the second round. Again definitely worse.
Kansas was a 2. Upset in the second round. Definitely worse.
So I count two teams did as expected, one did better and four definitely worse.
That being said in a one and done type tournament, anything can happen in a small sample. But were they over seeded, perhaps.
Answer, the B-12 has underperformed for years. Last non-KU team to make the FF was OK State in 2004, which was the year before KU began their run of conference wins. I've been fair to them this year, as I think the yearly B-12 praise is more justified than in past seasons, but if any other Big 6 conference went that long with only one team making the FF, I don't think we'd get the same enthusiastic rantings about how they were the best conference in the game year in and year out.
Agreed. The conference itself has under-performed for some time now when it comes to the tournament and their better seeded teams definitely didn't show up last tournament.
It always seems to be something the media does. I remember when the Big East had a ton of teams and the media pumped that conference. Drove me nuts to watch a Big East game.
Alot of these conference strengths are based on non conference games that take place in Nov/Dec. When your in conference, those numbers don't change. Things can change from Nov to March. I always take these conference strength things with a grain of salt.
Interesting OU #'s. Here's the scenario. If they get it over the half line, they don't drive but shoot and make three's . hence.no rebounds, no free throws but excellent offensive efficiency.
Definitely makes sense.
Their distribution of points is 39.7% on 3s (which is 9th), 43.4% on 2s (329th) and 16.9% free throws (320th).
It's a good thing they rank 1st in 3 pt FG% lol
Ya know......they aren't really reliant on the 3 ball tho. They get the majority of their points from three but that's because they shoot the ball so well from down town, not the volume of shots they take.
3PA/FGA the average is usually 35%. OU is around 38% so they take more threes than the average team but it's not terribly higher. They rank 92nd. It's not like they are Villanova who take 45% of their shots from 3 lol
If anything maybe OU should take more threes. 48% for the year. That's equivalent to shooting 70% on twos lol.
3PA/FGA the average is usually 35%. OU is around 38% so they take more threes than the average team but it's not terribly higher. They rank 92nd. It's not like they are Villanova who take 45% of their shots from 3 lol
If anything maybe OU should take more threes. 48% for the year. That's equivalent to shooting 70% on twos lol.
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maybe they trotted that triangle out for ou later on
the statistics seem to suggest you should at least be faceguarding hield
the statistics seem to suggest you should at least be faceguarding hield
they overwhelm teams that can't handle their ball pressure (fouling), especially at home
then they start making 3s and the game gets faster and looser
they don't get down and compete for 30 seconds and fight at the rim
i hate them
Or, they could be gone the first weekend. If I were a gambler I'd bet on it. Which one(s) is the question. I wouldn't be surprised to see only one in the final 8.
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