Serious Question: Is Wichita now preseason 1?
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Seen 2 rankings were like 8th in both certainly up there doubt #1 but for sure top 10. I told you guys how good they were no one really believed me until our game ended.
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I think everyone knew they were good. They were grossly underseeded. Much better team than 5 seed Minnesota.
They gave us a better game than UCLA did.
Wichita St was massively underrating. UCLA was overrated. As far as perception went anyways
Wichita St was massively underrating. UCLA was overrated. As far as perception went anyways
I don't recall anyone saying WSU was no good. Who are you referring to? All of us were jabbering about how we had the toughest 2nd round game. Only the biggest homers on here were pumping sunshine, but even they were worried.
To be fair, our guys gave a much better effort in the UCLA game than they did the WSU game.
Plus, WSU muddied it up to keep it close, UCLA let us play.
I think we looked worse against them because they were better defensively than ucla tho.
I just think people thought that bracket was so bad because we had to go through ucla and unc but really ucla was a typically 2-3 sweet 16 game. That 2nd round game vs a team that was so underseeded was ridiculous
no,
It's the same logic. It's not really about experience or potential talent. It's who do you have that is a game changer in each position. They'll be solid like this year. But at no point would they have the pieces that would make them leap to a top team in the nation.
It's the same logic. It's not really about experience or potential talent. It's who do you have that is a game changer in each position. They'll be solid like this year. But at no point would they have the pieces that would make them leap to a top team in the nation.
Yep . Most talented team in the country. People are undervaluing UCLA next season as well. IMO they will be top 10 team again . I doubt alford can win it all but you never know as there are some only slightly above average coaches who have done just that . cough Boeheim ...
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If I remember correctly, the entire board was bitching about how under seeded they were. I don't think anyone here thought they were not.
I think if Williams-Goss and Collins both go back to school the Zags are #1.
regardless of seeding we'll be put in their bracket along with Louisville and Wisconsin
I seem to recall a ton of people expecting a game pretty much exactly like the one that played out.
I wouldn't be that opposed to it. It's not Duke or Kansas, probably not UNC. Maybe Arizona if they lose no one else.
That said, if Kentucky grabs Bamba (or the off chance we get Knox), you almost have to give Kentucky the nod. It would be arguably the best class in history, the only one better being 2013.
That said, if Kentucky grabs Bamba (or the off chance we get Knox), you almost have to give Kentucky the nod. It would be arguably the best class in history, the only one better being 2013.
I guess that could happen but they would run the risk of not being in the NCAATWatch Berry, Jackson and Bradley all stay in Chapel Hill....
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I feel like Title runs push players out. It's the only silver lining for UNC winning.. You really going to come back if your Jackson?
Nearly impossible to repeat. And I doubt the NCAA has the fix in again..That was retribution for being beat on the buzzer last season.
Nearly impossible to repeat. And I doubt the NCAA has the fix in again..That was retribution for being beat on the buzzer last season.
It's never going to be the best class in history, Bamba or no Bamba, and it doesn't matter if it ends up with 8 five star players. I guess I shouldn't say "never", because we don't know how they'll all turn out, but if you want to call a class "the greatest" you need impact players, guys who are stars from Day 1. And I just don't see that here.
If I had to rate guys according to how certain I was they'd be stars in college, before they ever played, based on where they were rated in their class, how scouts (college and NBA) felt about them, and whatever I had seen, I would go like this:
1-Wall (probably overrated, because he had some issues with his game, but he seemed like Superman at the time, and ANYTHING seemed possible with him).
2-AD
3-MKG
3A-Free Enes (he was so awesome in the Hoop Summit I was sure he'd be a star)
4-Randle
5-Nerlens (might seem high, but he was such a freak athlete you knew he was going to be a dominant defender)
6-Cousins (seems low, but the attitude issues were always there, and in HS he wanted to float out to the perimeter all the time)
7-KAT (questions about whether he was an elite athlete)
8-Knight
9-Fox
10-Bamba
11-Monk
12-Murray (Hoop Summit performance, completely solidified by his Pan Am games performance)
If Bamba comes out and looks great in the Hoop Summit, maybe I adjust that. But even then, I think you go pretty far down the list before you get to the next most likely impact guy in this year's class, Diallo, who I think can reasonably be grouped with guys like Teague, the Harrison twins, James Young, and Archie Goodwin, or, from different positions but similar talent level, Terrence Jones, Alex Poythress, Trey Lyles, and Bam. Guys you know have big potential, but you're not quite sure how it will translate.
The point is this: 5 guys play at a time. And if you tell me I can have the top 2 picks, then you get to pick 5, then I get the next 3, I'm probably going for it. If you tell me I can have the top 3 picks, then you get the next 7, then I get 2, I'm DEFINITELY going for it.
There's a lot to be said for having a huge collection of quality players, but you can't call something THE GREATEST unless it has a collection of the best players.
Was that not 2 of the worst seeding jobs of all time? Minnesota was more like a 7 or 8 and Wichita St was more like a 4 or 5 at worst. They did a terrible job there. I'm an IU fan and I thought UK got hosed with whom they had to play. I even said on this board UK would play really well and beat UCLA easily but then lose a close game to UNC due to it's hard to get up mentally for another big game right after playing one especially for a young team and they still about pulled it off.
I disagree. Basketball guys love to look crafty, and picking an unheralded bunch like WSU that the run of the mill fan barely knows will send that message. If you watched WSU this year and know that they're returning pretty much everyone--you know what they're doing.
I have a feeling this class will be very similar to the Randle class, one or two one and dones and several come back for their sophomore seasons and have great chance at title.
The thing about Wichita St is although they were highly ranked in computer systems and obviously better than a 10, they played no one and their resume was so awful.
So based on the criteria the NCAA uses to do the seeding, the committee did the right thing.
It just illustrates why we need to move away from that criteria.
If Kentucky adds Bamba & Cameron Johnson, they will be the preseason favorite and it will not even be close, IMO.
8 5* recruits and more than likely the best SF grad transfer available. A team capable of matching the extreme amount of depth on the 38-1 2015 Kentucky team if the majority can play up to their HS rankings this season.
Even the analysts and fans of other teams agree 100%. It doesn't take blue tinted glasses to see one of the most stacked teams put together in the modern area.
In what will be a down season in college basketball this year, there's no way that a team consisting of Green, Diallo, Johnson, Bamba, Richards, Vanderbilt, Washington, WG, Hump, SKJ, Shai, and another guard like Baker or Smith will not be the preseason favorite in the polls and in Vegas.
If you disagree SO strongly, I would be more than happy to make a wager on it. I will bet 2 tickets in the cheap seats at Rupp vs. UL to somebody who is that convinced of otherwise.
8 5* recruits and more than likely the best SF grad transfer available. A team capable of matching the extreme amount of depth on the 38-1 2015 Kentucky team if the majority can play up to their HS rankings this season.
Even the analysts and fans of other teams agree 100%. It doesn't take blue tinted glasses to see one of the most stacked teams put together in the modern area.
In what will be a down season in college basketball this year, there's no way that a team consisting of Green, Diallo, Johnson, Bamba, Richards, Vanderbilt, Washington, WG, Hump, SKJ, Shai, and another guard like Baker or Smith will not be the preseason favorite in the polls and in Vegas.
If you disagree SO strongly, I would be more than happy to make a wager on it. I will bet 2 tickets in the cheap seats at Rupp vs. UL to somebody who is that convinced of otherwise.
Just saw these rankings today. 5 SEC teams in top 25. Thank this guy does a pretty good job, has Duke at 3 pre Kennard leaving
http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...all-rankings-2018-way-too-early-top-25-040417
http://www.foxsports.com/college-ba...all-rankings-2018-way-too-early-top-25-040417
Think they'll be very good/tough come NCAA's but likely have more losses which will help them prepare as they'll face better competition. Could be a situation where they'll get a higher seed with worse record due to SOS.
What am I missing with Arizona? They will have Trier, Ayton and Alkins? Why are they preseason 1? I would say Mich St., Gonzaga.
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