second half offense

[kyjeff1]

Okay, it's been really bothering me. Our offense is so different in the second half. We always seem to play hard after the opening tip. Our guys are are all moving around and creating.
But then something happens and our offense turns into the easiest offense to defend.
Our guys just go to a spot and stand there. Nobody moves. Everyone is just looking at Tyler and Murray and waiting on them to do something.
If Murray doesn't light it up today this is a close game.
This also explains SOME of the lopsided officiating. How can the opponent collect fouls if we are just standing there as our guards take jump shots?
What's worse is even though our guys are perched near the paint we still get beat for a lot of rebounds.
What are your thoughts on the standing around that we are seeing on offense? I don't get why we are doing that, it blocks driving lanes.

 

[mdlUK.1]

I think our guys are just getting tired. Plus you can't expect to hit 60% both halves.

 

[kyjeff1]

I think our guys are just getting tired. Plus you can't expect to hit 60% both halves.

It doesn't look like they're tired, it looks to me like it's just the design of the offense.

 

[deplion]

We still haven't learned to value every possession yet. We take too many off, and it has already bit us in several games.

I see it gradually getting better, but we need to make sure we get it fully fixed before March.

Anyway, loved what I saw overall today. This could have been a close one, and we were never really threatened.

 

[hoodro]

I think our guys are just getting tired. Plus you can't expect to hit 60% both halves.

Nor can you expect to be +20 points in both halves.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

If Murray doesn't light it up today this is a close game.

If the Bulls didn't have Michael Jordan, they don't win 6 titles.

 

[chevyman 50]

Hump did a good job today, do not know why Cal do not play him more..

 

[kyjeff1]

We still haven't learned to value every possession yet. We take too many off, and it has already bit us in several games.

I see it gradually getting better, but we need to make sure we get it fully fixed before March.

Anyway, loved what I saw overall today. This could have been a close one, and we were never really threatened.

I knew our offense had some issues but I could never really understand why bit watching off the ball today it seemed pretty apparent why we struggled to score. I think when we are rolling everyone is moving.
I thought Calipari's calling card was the "dribble drive MOTION offense"? I'm not seeing a whole lot of motion or driving. This would appear to be a good team to run that style of offense with.

 

[kyjeff1]

Hump did a good job today, do not know why Cal do not play him more..

Yes he sure did. He would be much better by now if he had the opportunity to play more throughout the season.
Our bigs are in deep foul trouble every game, he will be needed eventually.
He had a nice block at the bucket in the second half today.

 

[kyjeff1]

If the Bulls didn't have Michael Jordan, they don't win 6 titles.

Thanks.
This isn't the pros.
We don't have MJ.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Okay, it's been really bothering me. Our offense is so different in the second half. We always seem to play hard after the opening tip. Our guys are are all moving around and creating.
But then something happens and our offense turns into the easiest offense to defend.
Our guys just go to a spot and stand there. Nobody moves. Everyone is just looking at Tyler and Murray and waiting on them to do something.
If Murray doesn't light it up today this is a close game.
This also explains SOME of the lopsided officiating. How can the opponent collect fouls if we are just standing there as our guards take jump shots?
What's worse is even though our guys are perched near the paint we still get beat for a lot of rebounds.
What are your thoughts on the standing around that we are seeing on offense? I don't get why we are doing that, it blocks driving lanes.

Part of the reason we do go into stall ball is exactly what you said. The fouls. Even today. Especially today. Poy is gone. Lee fouls out and Skal ends up with 4. This all in 62 possessions. If we went at the same pace we had in the first half........Lee probably fouls out a hell of a lot eariler and Skal does as well.

I think we play like this out of necessity.

Also up that large the only way UF is coming back is if the possessions increase. Cal is doing what he can to get wins. It might look ugly, it might not be popular, but what's popular isn't always right.

 

[jwhite123]

I knew our offense had some issues but I could never really understand why bit watching off the ball today it seemed pretty apparent why we struggled to score. I think when we are rolling everyone is moving.
I thought Calipari's calling card was the "dribble drive MOTION offense"? I'm not seeing a whole lot of motion or driving. This would appear to be a good team to run that style of offense with.

The problem with the dribble drive is you have to have effective big men to open the paint. Our bigs this year are unable to draw any attention so they just sag off and clog the paint.

 

[Bungalow Bill]

It doesn't look like they're tired, it looks to me like it's just the design of the offense.

It definitely looks like they get tired and that's when we stagnate offensively and just hope Ulis or Murray can make a play.

 

[Aike]

Thanks.
This isn't the pros.
We don't have MJ.

But we do have Murray.

 

[kyjeff1]

Part of the reason we do go into stall ball is exactly what you said. The fouls. Even today. Especially today. Poy is gone. Lee fouls out and Skal ends up with 4. This all in 62 possessions. If we went at the same pace we had in the first half........Lee probably fouls out a hell of a lot eariler and Skal does as well.

I think we play like this out of necessity.

Also up that large the only way UF is coming back is if the possessions increase. Cal is doing what he can to get wins. It might look ugly, it might not be popular, but what's popular isn't always right.

That would make sense if we were talking about our defense.
Standing around on offense isn't going to prevent us from collecting fouls, in fact, I think it promotes over the back and reach in fouls.

 

[The_Answer1313]

That would make sense if we were talking about our defense.
Standing around on offense isn't going to prevent us from collecting fouls, in fact, I think it promotes over the back and reach in fouls.

The less possessions on offense we get means the less possessions on defense as well.

 

[kyjeff1]

But we do have Murray.

Yes but do we really want to depend on that? Don't you think it's smarter to involve the entire team?
Also, don't you think moving our guys around MIGHT open up some driving lanes?
Seems defenses always clog the paint against us.
I'm starting to believe our own guys are the ones clogging the paint.

 

[nookam]

We have to play "winning basketball" both halves. We get flat when we start burning clock.
It seems Murray could have easily gotten 40 had we kept the burners turned up. What a game between him and Tyler.

 

[catben]

Briscoe not being able to make WIDE OPEN jumpers is killing our offense. Teams aren't even guarding him. He missed a ton of shots in the 2nd half.

No post Game is also a problem when you run the half-court, milk the clock offense.

One thing that bothered me during the UF comeback today was Ulis not passing the ball to a wide open Wills on more than one occasion. Tyler was great today, but he he sometimes tries to do too much at the end of games.

 

[The_Answer1313]

In conference games we have scored 1.14 points per possession. And that was before the 1.30 we put up today.

The next team is A&M all the way down at 1.07.

So our offense is pretty good.

Ranked 25th in offensive efficiency but 50th in defensive.

The stall ball I believe it mainly to limit possessions so that our entire team doesn't foul out.

And I believe that's how we have to play

 

[Aike]

Yes but do we really want to depend on that? Don't you think it's smarter to involve the entire team?
Also, don't you think moving our guys around MIGHT open up some driving lanes?
Seems defenses always clog the paint against us.
I'm starting to believe our own guys are the ones clogging the paint.

I believe you play the cards in your hand. We will probably need a hot Murray this year to make a run.

 

[kyjeff1]

Briscoe not being able to make WIDE OPEN jumpers is killing our offense. Teams aren't even guarding him. He missed a ton of shots in the 2nd half.

No post Game is also a problem when you run the half-court, milk the clock offense.

One thing that bothered me during the UF comeback today was Ulis not passing the ball to a wide open Wills on more than one occasion. Tyler was great today, but he he sometimes tries to do too much at the end of games.

Tyler probably feels he needs to do so much because everyone is just standing around while the opponent makes a huge comeback.
Yeah, Briscoe had a 7 footer in the lane, airballed it by at least 2'.

 

[The_Answer1313]

For our offense to go, Murray and Ulis need to score.

We are reliant on those two guys

 

[Aike]

In conference games we have scored 1.14 points per possession. And that was before the 1.30 we put up today.

The next team is A&M all the way down at 1.07.

So our offense is pretty good.

Ranked 25th in offensive efficiency but 50th in defensive.

The stall ball I believe it mainly to limit possessions so that our entire team doesn't foul out.

And I believe that's how we have to play

I mentioned this to you earlier, but we were 29th in defense prior to the Kansas game. Back to back games of the opponent shooting way too many free throws did a number on our numbers.

But you're right. We have slipped to 50th. Hopefully we are heading back the right direction.

 

[mdlUK.1]

That would make sense if we were talking about our defense.
Standing around on offense isn't going to prevent us from collecting fouls, in fact, I think it promotes over the back and reach in fouls.

The faster we play, the more possessions. Including on the defensive end.

 

[rolaid]

To many guys can't score...Briscoe can't shoot a lick ...Matthews is beyond bad...No way that kid is a top 100 player. They won't pass the ball to Humphries on the block.

 

[crestcat]

That would make sense if we were talking about our defense.
Standing around on offense isn't going to prevent us from collecting fouls, in fact, I think it promotes over the back and reach in fouls.

Stall ball kills all momentum. You can't stand around on offense and expect an active defense. Fouls? 10 in the first half 8 in the second

 

[The_Answer1313]

I mentioned this to you earlier, but we were 29th in defense prior to the Kansas game. Back to back games of the opponent shooting way too many free throws did a number on our numbers.

But you're right. We have slipped to 50th. Hopefully we are heading back the right direction.

Yep. That's the main problem. I effective FG% defense still ranks 25th.
Four factors ranks 2015 vs this year
Eff FG% 1st vs 25th
Turnover% 45th vs 137th
Rebounding% 211th vs 204th
Free Throw Rate 64th vs 259th

It's really been the excessive fouling. And to a lesser extent not turning teams over as much.

 

[The_Answer1313]

More possessions = more chances for fouls to accumulate.

We got into foul trouble. If Skal and Lee foul out and Poy gone, we had nothing on the inside.

UF would have had a much better chance at coming back.

 

[Bungalow Bill]

Did we lose this game by 19? Poythress is out and we win by 19 and this is what some you guys want to do? Nit pick a great win.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Updated figures
UK - 17th in offensive efficiency, 50th in defensive

The offense has been really good.

Now in conference play we are scoring 1.15, We are 0.08 better than the next team (A&M)

Despite the huge log jam at the top of the SEC, it appears we are still the best team.

 

[kyjeff1]

Did we lose this game by 19? Poythress is out and we win by 19 and this is what some you guys want to do? Nit pick a great win.

It's not about this game.

 

[chroix]

Glad Humphries is coming along. Another big should help speed up the pace with the added fouls as mentioned above.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Yeah having Humphries give us anything and Poy coming back is gonna be huge.

 

[DwayneMeighan]

Did we lose this game by 19? Poythress is out and we win by 19 and this is what some you guys want to do? Nit pick a great win.

How it always works. Notice this is the one negative thread on today's game, yet it has the most replies by far. Some people just have to bitch and are never satisfied. Like a bunch of women.

 

[Lefty_O'Brian]

Mdl nailed it. We played fast on transition from def rebounds and takeaways in the early part of the first half. These team thrives when pushing the ball quick up the floor. Cal had to slow it down bc of foul trouble and to protect the lead in the 2nd. We struggle in the half court set.

 

[kyjeff1]

How it always works. Notice this is the one negative thread on today's game, yet it has the most replies by far. Some people just have to bitch and are never satisfied. Like a bunch of women.

Why click on the thread than? It was an honest question. Move along. It wasn't meant to knock the team.

 

[KyCatFan]

Coach Cal has always coached liked this here. He doesn't instill a killer instinct in our teams. He expects to get up big and milk it and maintain the lead. Unfortunately most of his teams are young and don't play as well when they have to slow it down and hold the ball until late in the shot clock. That has killed us the last 2 games. I think if we kept playing aggressive the whole game we don't lose those games.

It is much easier to defend a team that isn't attacking you until the last seconds of the shot clock. Florida nearly got back into this one with that terrible offense. We were lucky to hit 2 threes in a row at the end to put the game away. The one thing I always liked about Pitino here is that his teams went for the throat (one of the only good things I can still say about him). I think we have lost 3 games this year so far when we had a double digit lead that we probably should have won.

I think this has been Coach Cal's worst coaching job since he has been here. There is still time to turn it around, but we can't afford anymore loses after big leads and we would benefit from mixing up the defenses and playing more aggressive until the end of the game. We have to stop holding the ball until there is less than 7 seconds on the shot clock and forcing bad shots.

Ok prepare to start the bashing.

 

[The_Answer1313]

I don't think this is really that negative. I think the OP brings up good points.
It's not about this game but more importantly what will work during the rest of the season.

But I do think Cal has this right.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Yeah but they didn't.......i mean we maintained a double digit lead the entire time.

This game was never in doubt.