SDS: Cal is replaceable; Stoops is irreplaceable

[The-Hack]

Hard to argue with:

Hayes: Bottom line, Kentucky can replace John Calipari. It cannot replace Mark Stoops

UK AD Mitch Barnhart has only one choice: Publicly support Mark Stoops. Don't even take the chance that he might leave.

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[KYWC36]

 

[270Cat]

The only reason we couldn’t replace Cal would be because of the buyout. Pretty steep.

 

[IrishPokerDog]

The only reason we couldn’t replace Cal would be because of the buyout. Pretty steep.

We wouldn’t get rid of Cal, but if he has a hissy fit and flies somewhere, so what. He came away after 2015 broken, and went into CEO mode with Kenny as the main man. Once Kenny left, it’s not been good

maybe he pulls this team together this year, but until I see performance, and not meltdowns, I’m OK with him leaving if he decides he doesn’t GAF about UK anymore….. but Stoops on the other hand should be given any damn thing he wants to stay

 

[cathouse]

We wouldn’t get rid of Cal, but if he has a hissy fit and flies somewhere, so what. He came away after 2015 broken, and went into CEO mode with Kenny as the main man. Once Kenny left, it’s not been good

maybe he pulls this team together this year, but until I see performance, and not meltdowns, I’m OK with him leaving if he decides he doesn’t GAF about UK anymore….. but Stoops on the other hand should be given any damn thing he wants to stay

You could tell by the look on his face during the games in the Bahamas that Cal is not a happy man ( little boy) right now.

He didn't get his way and his little manipulation game backfired on him.

I would not be surprised if Cal's agent has not been on the phone since Friday.

I hope he is successful in making Cal happy again.

 

[The-Hack]

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I hope he is successful in making Cal happy again.

Maybe Memphus would take him back?

 

[Ed323232]

Everyone is replaceable

 

[vhcat70]

Why would anyone argue with it unless blinded by history?

BTW, did you post this on RR too?

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Nice article and one I enjoyed reading. Calipari is certainly replaceable and his candle is getting dimmer each year. If he left tomorrow I would bid him farewell. Somewhere out there stands a young winning, innovative coach who would love to take over UK.

But Stoops is certainly the most important coach at UK. He has improved the program like no one that came before him and he started at the bottom of the SEC barrel. Vandy was beating the Cats before he came and beating them bad. A lot of the credit for the football success can be traced back to the AD. I know UK only basketball fans hate him but he has supported the football program like no other AD in my lifetime and I go back to the Bernie Shively days. And I thank him for it.

I am not so sure UK couldn't replace Coach Stoops with a solid hire that would maintain or improve the program he has built. UK is a desirable football position now. The AD continued to support the football program when Stoops was struggling in the early years and people noticed. Many programs would have fired Stoops before year 3. Most football coaches would love to work with an AD like Mitch. The football program is on solid ground and people are noticing. Thanks to Mark Stoops and his staff and support from the AD.

 

[cathouse]

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Maybe Memphus would take him back?

I actually thought about that also. Cal still has a lot of fans in Memphis and FedEx has enough money to keep him and his players fat and happy.

I am pretty sure most Memphis fans would trade Penny for Cal today.

 

[Ed323232]

Marrow could replace stoops tomorrow

 

[HerrosHeroes]

Cal’s historic run of recruiting at UK, including next year’s mega class says otherwise.
Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Cal’s historic run of recruiting at UK, including next year’s mega class says otherwise.
Be careful what you wish for.

His historic run in recruiting is actually a negative for his career. He has landed the best talent at UK for more than a decade yet he has come up short in titles. He has passed Dean Smith as the coach to do less with talent.

His record in recruiting shows me he is not a sound X and O basketball coach. When you have a squad of high school superstars every recruiting class and can only take home one title in a decade are you really irreplaceable? Kentucky has only one NCAA title in over twenty years. Just one, even with putting more players in the NBA that any other school.

And with all of this talent Calipari has seen Kansas overtake UK as all time win leader and UNC and Duke close in on total championships. Villanova has more NCAA titles than UK since Calipari arrived. I am not convinced UK would take a hit in Caliapari left Lexington. If they do the program is not as solid as we are being led to believe.

Kentucky is going to get talent with or without Calipari. FIVE coaches have won titles at UK. One of them won four. Even the current coach at Highpoint won a title for UK.

 

[YaketySax]

UK basketball can get just about anyone to replace Cal. CBB’s equivalents to Dabo, Saban, and Day like Few, Beard, Pearl, and others. UK basketball prob can’t get the coaches at Duke, UNC or Kansas but only because those are lateral transfers.

UK football would be hard pressed to get anyone better than Stoops. They can’t poach a coach at any of the 7-10 blue blood schools.

 

[The-Hack]

BTW, did you post this on RR too?

I’ve had my fill of the place, for the time being.

Feel free to post the link over there.

 

[cathouse]

Marrow could replace stoops tomorrow

Interesting take.

Do you also think Orlando or Chin Coleman could replace Cal tomorrow???

 

[The-Hack]

UK is a desirable football position now.

I see what you are saying, but I think we need ten more years from Stoops to have firmly planted the notion that UK is solid in football.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

I see what you are saying, but I think we need ten more years from Stoops to have firmly planted the notion that UK is solid in football.

I whole heartedly agree. I do not want Stoops going anywhere except to the best bowl game. I am 100% in his corner.

 

[NamelessOne]

Cal’s historic run of recruiting at UK, including next year’s mega class says otherwise.
Be careful what you wish for.

No one cares

 

[Ed323232]

Interesting take.

Do you also think Orlando or Chin Coleman could replace Cal tomorrow???

Maybe. Orlando didn’t have success as a HC but UK is a different animal. Marrow has been here as long as stoops and arguably more popular. And a football head coach is more of a manager unless they call plays themselves. I think 100% Marrow could do the job.

 

[billoliver40]

Everyone is replaceable, but it would certainly be more difficult to replace Coach Stoops for the very thing he said...the program was not born on third base, and it as yet does not have the name appeal in football circles that the basketball program has....although Calipari DID have to jumpstart the program when he arrived.

Be careful when you say someplace is a 'basketball school'....that tends to attract high level candidates.

 

[vhcat70]

I’ve had my fill of the place, for the time being.

Feel free to post the link over there.

I fully understand, and, no thanks. LOL.

 

[vhcat70]

Everyone is replaceable, but it would certainly be more difficult to replace Coach Stoops for the very thing he said...the program was not born on third base, and it as yet does not have the name appeal in football circles that the basketball program has....although Calipari DID have to jumpstart the program when he arrived.

Be careful when you say someplace is a 'basketball school'....that tends to attract high level candidates.

As much as Stoops has done, I'd say we've only reached 2B while looking for chances to steal 3rd. And that's way above continual K's.

 

[cathouse]

Maybe. Orlando didn’t have success as a HC but UK is a different animal. Marrow has been here as long as stoops and arguably more popular. And a football head coach is more of a manager unless they call plays themselves. I think 100% Marrow could do the job.

I think there would be a steep learning curve for Big Dog, just like it has been for CMS.

Going from assistant coach or coordinator to head coach is a huge jump.

I heard Vince say in an interview that he wasn't even interested in the OC position because of the pressure of that position.

I love Big Dog. The players would run through a wall for him, no doubt.

But there is so much more to the HC position than what happens on Saturdays. Until a coach has actually held that position, there is almost no way to know whether they will be successful at it.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Everyone is replaceable

Thats one of the dumbest sayings.

 

[Dddjdd]

Marrow could replace stoops tomorrow

No chance. Marrow is the salesman not a head guy. A necessary component but he couldn’t replace Stoops

 

[Dddjdd]

Two angles here and both are important. Which coach is more valuable to UK and which coach values being at UK more. I think it’s reasonable we should value Stoops more, but I think Cal needs us more than Stoops does. This doesn’t mean we should keep Cal around because he needs us, it just means he might have less incentive to make a move on his own and not sure we can get rid of him.

 

[Ed323232]

I think there would be a steep learning curve for Big Dog, just like it has been for CMS.

Going from assistant coach or coordinator to head coach is a huge jump.

I heard Vince say in an interview that he wasn't even interested in the OC position because of the pressure of that position.

I love Big Dog. The players would run through a wall for him, no doubt.

But there is so much more to the HC position than what happens on Saturdays. Until a coach has actually held that position, there is almost no way to know whether they will be successful at it.

You hit on what I think was Stoops biggest weakness when he got the job but has improved a lot. His first few years he still had the defensive coordinator mentality. Fired up all the time, chewing refs asses, not being able to let a bad call go. As HC you have to manage the game, let the coordinators call the plays, with some input from the HC. And be ready to make the big decisions, fourth downs, field goals, ect.

 

[Ed323232]

No chance. Marrow is the salesman not a head guy. A necessary component but he couldn’t replace Stoops

He knows football, loved by the team, loved by families and fans. He would leave the game calling up to his coordinators and manage the game. I think he could do it.

 

[The-Hack]

He knows football, loved by the team, loved by families and fans. He would leave the game calling up to his coordinators and manage the game. I think he could do it.

Frankly, I think Coach Marrow could do the job.

But I do not believe he’d want the headache, quite honestly.

 

[maysvilleky]

So does this rift cause UK to lose Stoops, Cal, or Barnhart? Or will this get smoothed over? What’s everyone think?

My gut says this will be Stoops’ last year at UK if Cal stays.

 

[Jumpercat]

I wonder what kind of reception Cal would get from the crowd if he would show up on the sidelines at a home football game this year. I have seen him at a home game before on the sideline.

 

[WildCard]

I see what you are saying, but I think we need ten more winning years from Stoops to have firmly planted the notion that UK is solid in football.

Hack, I often find merit in your posts. I have added one "small" addition to this one. I'm not sure a .500 record over the next 10 years will "get the job done".

Marrow could replace stoops tomorrow

Maybe, but that would be his first HC job. His actual coaching history has been Tight Ends. And (except for goal line and short yardage situations, that is a position that has been diminishing in today's game.

All JMO

Peace

 

[jca4446]

Hard to argue with:

Hayes: Bottom line, Kentucky can replace John Calipari. It cannot replace Mark Stoops

UK AD Mitch Barnhart has only one choice: Publicly support Mark Stoops. Don't even take the chance that he might leave.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Drugs are bad for you. Get off the drugs.

 

[JHB4UK]

So does this rift cause UK to lose Stoops, Cal, or Barnhart? Or will this get smoothed over? What’s everyone think?

My gut says this will be Stoops’ last year at UK if Cal stays.

Huh? Why?

Of the 3 men, Stoops won. Stoops looked the best, hasn't backed down or called himself an idiot. And most importantly his promised indoor practice facility upgrades are on track - while bball gets nothing, nada, zilch.

 

[YaketySax]

No chance. Marrow is the salesman not a head guy. A necessary component but he couldn’t replace Stoops

Agree. Head coach position requires management skills and Marrow is a very good salesman.

 

[sieken]

Mediocre football coaches are irreplaceable now?


Stoops own wife and kids didn't find him too irreplaceable. 🤣

Created an account just to stir the pot? Nice! Do you get in trouble for being on your phone when the teacher is handing out snacks?

 

[know1]

The sooner UK finds a way to replace Cal the better.

But we better hold on to Stoops like grim death...

 

[bthaunert]

Congrats @know1 @YaketySax and @billoliver40 !

 

[YaketySax]

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Congrats @know1 @YaketySax and @billoliver40 !

pretty reasonable if i do say so myself ha