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Scott Drew is Calipari heavy

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Rebuttal to the other thread. He would be an awesome get depending upon what you believe the goal is for the Kentucky program. You want the 5 star freshman one and done? You want coaching that establishes a game plan and then during the game no adjustments. Do you want someone who doesn't study film, hasn't over-achieved with less talent, who has good players that don't return to the program, that doesn't hire good assistant coaches, who has the goal of only hoping to win at the end of the season, than keep Calipari.

Drew is a real college coach, makes adjustments, isn't one dimensional on defense or offense, and comes from a legacy of coaching with more knowledge of many situations. Our goal is to establish the program as a winner in the SEC, SEC tournament, and NCAA tournament. There are several coaches being named and all of them seem to share similar traits. Oats, Drew, Pearl, Hurley, all would be huge step ups and I hope the guy that really wants to coach here is the one that ends up here.
 
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The dude won a national championship at a baptist school in friggin Waco, after taking over a scandal-ridden dumpster program facing sanctions with no hoops tradition at all before he got there.

If he could win a title there, then why would anyone think he couldn’t do so at a premiere blueblood like UK?
 
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Exactly. He has much better qualifications today than Cal did when we hired him.

Would I rather have Hurley? Yes. But Drew is a home run hire in my opinion. Built a program from the ashes in an undesirable town with no resources into a national championship team and contender. Gets consistent #1 seeds (anyone see which seeds were playing for the title last night?).

On paper, he's a FAR better coach than Cal was when we hired him.
 
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stuway said:
I agree man. I was sour on Drew initially. If you stop, think and look at the facts, he'd be a very good hire. He would stop all the stuff we bitch about that Cal did.

The resources of UK with Drew would do very well. I have no fear. Whoever we hire will be an upgrade I'm positive
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Only 2 reasons im sour on Drew.
1. He is Barnharts good church buddy. Coaching is a cut throat game. Everyone is looking to bend the rules to gain any advantage. Barnhart holds us back with his choirboy, scared approach. Having a coach that shares his views in the SEC ( Win at all Cost Mentality) will probably fail.
2. Twenty One years at the same school. No one hired you away. Tells me you enjoy comfortable, fat and lazy. We just got rid of comfortable, fat and lazy.
 
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Jon Rothstein was just on a podcast for CBS sports. He’s well respected and has good connections. He thinks no way on Oats, Hurley and Donavan. He isn’t completely sold on Drew taking the job as the Drew family loves Waco. If Drew doesn’t take the job he thinks Mark Pope will be the safety net. 😮
 
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Jon Rothstein was just on a podcast for CBS sports. He’s well respected and has good connections. He thinks no way on Oats, Hurley and Donavan. He isn’t completely sold on Drew taking the job as the Drew family loves Waco. If Drew doesn’t take the job he thinks Mark Pope will be the safety net. 😮
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Not what Trilly Donovan is saying...
 
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As far as I can tell, all the names being seriously considered are clear upgrades to cal. Hopefully mitch can get the best of those mentioned, but if not We'll still be better off.
 
Good post and well said! We definitely want a high power coach that wants to be here no doubt it.
 
I’m fine with Drew with one caveat. I would need to know the big boosters want him and are willing to commit massive money to him for NIL.

I would worry the lack of excitement would translate to lack of NIL funding. If that lacks, I think it becomes a problem very quickly in the current landscape.

Also I assume we’re paying massive money for a salary. Please Mitch put a buyout of significance for the coach leaving us and a relatively smaller buyout for firing. We definitely don’t need to lock ourselves into a bad contract for Scott Drew.
 
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if it's scott drew I will support him.

But I'm not sold on him the least bit. I would just hope Kentucky can elevate him, but he already gets good recruits and transfers and still has a VERY HIT AND MISS record. I'm not sure what coming to Kentucky will do to elevate him.

When a dude stays in one place 20 plus years and never took a bigger job anyway that says a lot.

I don't even think Drew will want to come here, seems like he is comfortable with 20 plus years at baylor.

8 years of hungry Pearl would be better, he would be super motivated. I'd take sean miller over drew or tommy loyd
 
stuway said:
I agree man. I was sour on Drew initially. If you stop, think and look at the facts, he'd be a very good hire. He would stop all the stuff we bitch about that Cal did.

The resources of UK with Drew would do very well. I have no fear. Whoever we hire will be an upgrade I'm positive
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UK fans want Championships. Plain and simple so quit with all this talk about coaches. Coaching, recruiting, NIL it means nothing without not just winning but winning NCAA titles. That is the BBNs mantra. Win Championships, period. Thats why you pay 9 million a year for a coach. Thats what the boosters want, nothing else. If you think its about winning SEC games your naive.
 
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Look, I have very fond memories of Mark Pope, but if this happens we might as well all find a new sports team. It's the death knell of Ky basketball.
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Is ir death neal or death nail? Shit I posted death nail on another thread that I started. LOL SMH
 
Aside from the Covid year, can someone point out what else Drew has won or accomplished?

What's his overall tournament resume like? How many F4's, E8's, SW16? How many times in the past 12 years has he been past the sw 16? How many times in the last 5 tournaments has he been out of the 2nd rd?

How many conference tournaments has he won? What about conference titles?

What does he record against top 25 teams look like? What does his head to head look like against other top coaches, like, say Bill Self?

I know, I know, someone is going to say, "bUt hE's aT bAyLoR!" In the last 15 years, what resources has Baylor and the Big 12 had that we haven't? They're a talent rich state, far more so than KY. They have wealthy donors, including oil money, far moreso than UK. They have invested heavily in their athletics program, including heavily in Drew and Baylor Basketball. So, what advantages have they not had in order to compete much better?
 
BluesDaddy said:
Aside from the Covid year, can someone point out what else Drew has won or accomplished?

What's his overall tournament resume like? How many F4's, E8's, SW16? How many times in the past 12 years has he been past the sw 16? How many times in the last 5 tournaments has he been out of the 2nd rd?

How many conference tournaments has he won? What about conference titles?

What does he record against top 25 teams look like? What does his head to head look like against other top coaches, like, say Bill Self?

I know, I know, someone is going to say, "bUt hE's aT bAyLoR!" In the last 15 years, what resources has Baylor and the Big 12 had that we haven't? They're a talent rich state, far more so than KY. They have wealthy donors, including oil money, far moreso than UK. They have invested heavily in their athletics program, including heavily in Drew and Baylor Basketball. So, what advantages have they not had in order to compete much better?
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His title wasn’t “the cOviD year”.

And you are partially right. But who else do you suggest if Hurely, Donovan, Wright and Oats all say no ?( as it seems they have/will).
 
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His title wasn’t “the cOviD year”.

And you are partially right. But who else do you suggest if Hurely, Donovan, Wright and Oats all say no ?( as it seems they have/will).
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Norlander said Mitch hasn't even talked to anyone until the Cal deal is official.
 
uk78 said:
Rebuttal to the other thread. He would be an awesome get depending upon what you believe the goal is for the Kentucky program. You want the 5 star freshman one and done? You want coaching that establishes a game plan and then during the game no adjustments. Do you want someone who doesn't study film, hasn't over-achieved with less talent, who has good players that don't return to the program, that doesn't hire good assistant coaches, who has the goal of only hoping to win at the end of the season, than keep Calipari.

Drew is a real college coach, makes adjustments, isn't one dimensional on defense or offense, and comes from a legacy of coaching with more knowledge of many situations. Our goal is to establish the program as a winner in the SEC, SEC tournament, and NCAA tournament. There are several coaches being named and all of them seem to share similar traits. Oats, Drew, Pearl, Hurley, all would be huge step ups and I hope the guy that really wants to coach here is the one that ends up here.
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I would take Drew over Calipari but right now I would take half the coaches in the SEC over Cal. Cal has not done a thing since Robic left. Robic was the brains, Kenny Payne was the heart, Cal was the promoter.
 
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Norlander said Mitch hasn't even talked to anyone until the Cal deal is official.
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You’re most likely correct in the “official” sense but I’m willing to bet feelers and back channel type stuff has occurred already.

I guess we will find out soon (Cal is officially gone now with his video message).

I hope for the best and I also think if we don’t get one of the big hires (which i don’t see happening) like Wright (pipe cream) Hurely (borderline pipe dream) Donovan or Oats then I think that kind of says a lot. Unfortunately.

I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
 
All those years he has in the big 12, how many conference championships had Kansas won in a row. Now houston is in and Kansas does not dominate.

Drew is a good coach. Is he one that takes us to the next level, maybe. Can he handle the pressure here (because he has no pressure at Baylor), No I do not think so. I think he flames out quicker than Cal. I say he has a 4 year run in him maybe at best.

If he is the choice, then I hope I am as wrong as anyone could ever be about this, I am ready to get back to winning SEC titles, SEC tourney Titles, NCAA Regional Titles and National Championships.

I still say Billy the Kid and Dan Hurley are the 2 that can get us there. I also say neither are likely to leave and come here.
 
MrHotDice said:
UK fans want Championships. Plain and simple so quit with all this talk about coaches. Coaching, recruiting, NIL it means nothing without not just winning but winning NCAA titles. That is the BBNs mantra. Win Championships, period. Thats why you pay 9 million a year for a coach. Thats what the boosters want, nothing else. If you think its about winning SEC games your naive.
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Where in the world did he/she say all they wanted to win was SEC games. Huh?
 
I have a few questions that I know some of you will have a better idea about than me:
(1) Is Drew considered a good X and O coach, with a specific gameplans for each opponent?
(2) Does Drew run a good offense and employ analytics?
(3) Do the players seem to play hard for him? and
(4) Does Drew have a reputation of being able to identify core building high school talent and recruit the portal well?
 
uk78 said:
Rebuttal to the other thread. He would be an awesome get depending upon what you believe the goal is for the Kentucky program. You want the 5 star freshman one and done? You want coaching that establishes a game plan and then during the game no adjustments. Do you want someone who doesn't study film, hasn't over-achieved with less talent, who has good players that don't return to the program, that doesn't hire good assistant coaches, who has the goal of only hoping to win at the end of the season, than keep Calipari.

Drew is a real college coach, makes adjustments, isn't one dimensional on defense or offense, and comes from a legacy of coaching with more knowledge of many situations. Our goal is to establish the program as a winner in the SEC, SEC tournament, and NCAA tournament. There are several coaches being named and all of them seem to share similar traits. Oats, Drew, Pearl, Hurley, all would be huge step ups and I hope the guy that really wants to coach here is the one that ends up here.
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I think he would be a great hire. Let’s just hope he doesn’t turn us down too then where do we go from there?
 
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I've been adamant all along that Drew would be an upgrade from Cal and that it makes perfect sense to bring him here as long as Jay Wright, Dan Hurley, Billy Donovan, Brad Stevens, and Nate Oats (at a minimum) all turn down official, detailed, formal, high-dollar offers delivered on glossy UK letterhead first. I don't think he's the ultimate hire even in that situation. I think Pitino would probably do better, for example. But opinions will vary and I'm cool with that. Offer Drew over Pitino. Just don't offer him over freaking Billy Donovan.
 
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I’m fine with Drew with one caveat. I would need to know the big boosters want him and are willing to commit massive money to him for NIL.

I would worry the lack of excitement would translate to lack of NIL funding. If that lacks, I think it becomes a problem very quickly in the current landscape.

Also I assume we’re paying massive money for a salary. Please Mitch put a buyout of significance for the coach leaving us and a relatively smaller buyout for firing. We definitely don’t need to lock ourselves into a bad contract for Scott Drew.
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Mitch won’t fire Drew even if it’s needed. The bromance will be too much of a factor. If Drew is hired, better hope it works out cause he will be here for a long time.
 
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My goodness a man of faith who prays a lot won't be a good coach! Those kids don't have to sign. How good will any player be if they are undisciplined. And these kind of bad boys may develop
into great,successful men with someone who has high expectations for them.
 
uk78 said:
Rebuttal to the other thread. He would be an awesome get depending upon what you believe the goal is for the Kentucky program. You want the 5 star freshman one and done? You want coaching that establishes a game plan and then during the game no adjustments. Do you want someone who doesn't study film, hasn't over-achieved with less talent, who has good players that don't return to the program, that doesn't hire good assistant coaches, who has the goal of only hoping to win at the end of the season, than keep Calipari.

Drew is a real college coach, makes adjustments, isn't one dimensional on defense or offense, and comes from a legacy of coaching with more knowledge of many situations. Our goal is to establish the program as a winner in the SEC, SEC tournament, and NCAA tournament. There are several coaches being named and all of them seem to share similar traits. Oats, Drew, Pearl, Hurley, all would be huge step ups and I hope the guy that really wants to coach here is the one that ends up here.
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I always thought homer drew was over rated and the other drew was awful at vandy. Not impressed with that lineage
 
Sejonesy said:
Jon Rothstein was just on a podcast for CBS sports. He’s well respected and has good connections. He thinks no way on Oats, Hurley and Donavan. He isn’t completely sold on Drew taking the job as the Drew family loves Waco. If Drew doesn’t take the job he thinks Mark Pope will be the safety net. 😮
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Speaking of never been outside of the first round… Pope has never been outside of the first round. I would be pissed if we hired him. I think this Pope talk is all 90s nostalgia talking
 
uk78 said:
Rebuttal to the other thread. He would be an awesome get depending upon what you believe the goal is for the Kentucky program. You want the 5 star freshman one and done? You want coaching that establishes a game plan and then during the game no adjustments. Do you want someone who doesn't study film, hasn't over-achieved with less talent, who has good players that don't return to the program, that doesn't hire good assistant coaches, who has the goal of only hoping to win at the end of the season, than keep Calipari.

Drew is a real college coach, makes adjustments, isn't one dimensional on defense or offense, and comes from a legacy of coaching with more knowledge of many situations. Our goal is to establish the program as a winner in the SEC, SEC tournament, and NCAA tournament. There are several coaches being named and all of them seem to share similar traits. Oats, Drew, Pearl, Hurley, all would be huge step ups and I hope the guy that really wants to coach here is the one that ends up here.
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Hard pass on drew until it’s been evident Mitch has gone after Hurley and oats are minimum. There are about 4-5 better fits than drew. He would be a legit roll of the dice. Low ego coaches tend not to be successful at UK. I don’t like his closeness to Barney either. That screams nepotism. I have to see Barney make a play for a Kelvin Samson for instance or even sweaty Bruce. They are older guys who can get a former wildcat ready to take the job or another young and up and comer
 
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