Running game

[Madison Cat]

Stoops wants to be able to run the ball but we still play as slow as an 80 year old trying to cross the street. The tempo that PSU is using is impressive. ND can’t even get lined up before PSU hikes the ball. I can’t stand Franklin, but this is a brilliant game plan. Hope CMS is watching and learning.

 

[TOMCATS1990]

Really like the Penn St offense defense nasty too

 

[FirewithFire]

Stoops is ball control first. Slow is what he wants. There is zero way he will implement an offense like that.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I guess whatever ND was doing was also pretty good.

 

[EliteBlue]

Stoops is ball control first. Slow is what he wants. There is zero way he will implement an offense like that.

Which is why we are better off running an offense that compliments that philosophy. Spread speed option and triple option concepts. It’s why our best seasons under stoops coincides with power football and even an emergency WR at QB switch in week 4 season sitting at a 1-2 record pre switch.

Trying to be balanced, pro style with a lean towards the pass while moving at a snails pace kills all tempo and rhythm…. We also don’t recruit well enough in this league to have a top tier pass blocking line for long developing pass plays. We either need tk go heavy run blocking or quick passes mike leach style…which is just an extension of the run game w screens, slants, quick outs, hitches. Snap and throw or no more than a 3 step drop routes mixed with a heavy dose of misdirection run

 

[gamecockcat]

Agree. A system like the Eagles run would fit our MO. RPO concepts, inside zone blocking, short quick passes off PA. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out since > 100 posters on this board have posted numerous times about the stupidity of trying to execute a traditional NFL system. Coaches, too often, overthink and this is one time of many that Stoops has done so.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Stoops is ball control first. Slow is what he wants. There is zero way he will implement an offense like that.

Yes, there is something to this. Stoops hires the OC. But the OC determines pace. I realize some here still don't get this, but that's really just a confirmation bias. Last year, Hamdan's first season, I noticed pace was varied situationally. Sometimes they went slow, sometimes they went uptempo. Personally, I would like to see more uptempo. But when your OL is committing 5-6 drive-killing IP penalties a game, assignment soundness becomes job #1. That's why nearly the entire OL is being turned over this offseason. So let's give Hamdan a little more time.

 

[FirewithFire]

Yes, there is something to this. Stoops hires the OC. But the OC determines pace. I realize some here still don't get this, but that's really just a confirmation bias. Last year, Hamdan's first season, I noticed pace was varied situationally. Sometimes they went slow, sometimes they went uptempo. Personally, I would like to see more uptempo. But when your OL is committing 5-6 drive-killing IP penalties a game, assignment soundness becomes job #1. That's why nearly the entire OL is being turned over this offseason. So let's give Hamdan a little more time.

Hamdan isn't my problem. It's the HC. Thing is, I like ball control offense. It is a proven winner but it requires an elite defense and a team that is disciplined. That last part is a serious problem for Stoops and his staff.

Stoops and Hamdan's philosophies aren't that much different really. Hamdan likes the pro form. He likes wheel routes and screen passes mixed between inside runs. That's basically ball control offense using passes.

He also runs the same play over and over but uses codes to switch the primary receivers, or toggle the run, so that it looks a bit different to the defense every time. That should have equaled an up tempo offense but it didn't.

As you say, the line was a sieve, but I also suspect Vandergrift and the WRs weren't able to learn the scheme quickly enough based upon the number of times they seemed completely disconnected.

Maybe if he gets a line and good running back he can duplicate his running success at BSU. idk. His pedigree and resume are better than any other OC we've had during Stoop's tenure except for maybe Gran. He's taken some hell on this board but I don't have a problem with him having another year or two in order to find out.

 

[Lost In FL]

Yes, there is something to this. Stoops hires the OC. But the OC determines pace. I realize some here still don't get this, but that's really just a confirmation bias. Last year, Hamdan's first season, I noticed pace was varied situationally. Sometimes they went slow, sometimes they went uptempo. Personally, I would like to see more uptempo. But when your OL is committing 5-6 drive-killing IP penalties a game, assignment soundness becomes job #1. That's why nearly the entire OL is being turned over this offseason. So let's give Hamdan a little more time.

Agree with a lot of this. Whether people like it or not, he and CMS have at least one more year. I'm hoping for the best.

 

[Lost In FL]

NM. Sorry