Ronnie Shields At Tight End....
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So says KSR..![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
Ouch. wonder if the owner will come on this site and tell us how good the coverage is and how hard they work now. Can you imagine basketball listing Darius Miller as a starter?
The problem for Matt is not being a football guy. Its about not even making the EFFORT to pay attention to almost anything FB related. Every day he says something ignorant about FB because he doesn't even try. People who say well matt admits he doesn't know much about football just don't get it. A CASUAL fan knows more about basic things about the program, and I'm not talking Xs and Os. He just doesn't bother enough to take FB seriously. His post game shows are embarrassing.
Matt, I know you will see this so do all of us a favor and put at least 3 minutes of prep before your shows about current events such as practice times and actual players on the roster. Its not that difficult.
Matt, I know you will see this so do all of us a favor and put at least 3 minutes of prep before your shows about current events such as practice times and actual players on the roster. Its not that difficult.
So says KSR..
Do people only listen to the show so they can come on board and laugh at an error?
Sorry but if your job was live taped hours a day I bet we could find some stuff to laugh about as well. Yes it was a blatant mistake ... but it happens. They also have covered a lot of good stuff, and coaches come on often.
I dont listen or read the site but he came on this site, and arrogantly started a new discussion about how good of a job him and his employees do covering footbal. Then go on air and state a starting tight end is a player no longer on the roster. To me that is karma and he deserves any and all ridicule he gets. He spares no mercy on the post game caller who makes an error.
He talked about a TE that isn't on the roster. Geesh that is a simple mistake that similar to what all of us have made on these boards at least a couple dozen times. I can't defend Matt for his on air treatment of callers. He nothing short of rude and arrogant. If you want to take issue with him the take issue with that. Bitching about simple roster mistake is silly.
If you guys are going to constantly make post pointing out facts KSR gets wrong, then you may need a separate board just for that.
I really like Matt's show. It's entertainment. It isn't meant to get everything right, or even to really care about accuracy. It is meant to entertain. He does the same thing for basketball. He constantly gets rosters of former teams wrong. I don't think it's because he doesn't care or isn't informed. It more likely has to do with the fact that he's speaking for 2 hours and taking calls with questions that come out of left-field. It's not easy to (and likely impossible) to speak for as long as he does with 100% accuracy. And even if you could, would a show like that be more entertaining?
I really like Matt's show. It's entertainment. It isn't meant to get everything right, or even to really care about accuracy. It is meant to entertain. He does the same thing for basketball. He constantly gets rosters of former teams wrong. I don't think it's because he doesn't care or isn't informed. It more likely has to do with the fact that he's speaking for 2 hours and taking calls with questions that come out of left-field. It's not easy to (and likely impossible) to speak for as long as he does with 100% accuracy. And even if you could, would a show like that be more entertaining?
At least they are covering football now...
In his defense, when he said Shields, I didn't even catch it.
In his defense, when he said Shields, I didn't even catch it.
The fact he is the mouthpiece of UK makes me hold him to a higher standard. Would he make the mistake and say Devin Booker will be starting for UK this season. No, that is just silly, but it is fine if it is about football.
Matt dumps on the message board football fan all the time, if he gets something wrong (even if it is minor) he should expect to get called out on it. He is the voice of UK sports at this point, and he does host a pregame and post game football show. Its not like he talks about football very often to begin with, and with all his screwups the last couple weeks the criticism on here is just going to snowball at this point so he should at least try to get something right moving forward.
Did he say Ronnie Shields was the starter? Honestly I didn't even catch that part today.
At any rate, it's easier to cover basketball and the current roster because there are far fewer players. Booker was drafted in the lottery. Ronnie Shields, I have no idea what he's doing now.
He has an entertaining radio show, I cant fault him for that. But the fact that he not only reads the criticism but responds to it either here or by talking about it on the radio only makes things worse in the end and the 'facts are optional' mantra isnt going to fly with the football people.
Well even the most distant casual observer of the program for damn sure ought to know what he is NOT doing now....and that is playing tight end for the University of Kentucky football program any longer
I'm fairly certain you could tell quite a few distant casual observers of the program that he is a TE for UK and they wouldn't know enough to dispute that. What an asinine comment.
Hopefully Shields is using his degree, something Booker doesn't have and probably never will. But that's OK, Booker's one Calipari can take credit for getting drafted.
I heard it too and believe he just misspoke and meant Long. He at least said something to the effect that the Vince Marrow thinks this year's 2 TEs will be better than what UK had last year.
What bothers me more is when Jones keeps saying UK had better ranked recruiting classes under Joker than they had ever had before. This just isn't true. In two full seasons, according to Rivals, Joker and UK had the 62nd best recruiting class in 2011 and 63rd best in 2012. In the season he took over for Brooks after the bowl game, UK had the 50th best recruiting class so there was a clear drop off.
Jones always gives Tee Martin a ton of credit for Joker allegedly having better classes than "UK had ever had before...." The fact of the matter is that Joker was a much better lead recruiter for Brooks than Tee Martin ever was for Joker. The recruiting rankings and the product on the field bear that out. It seemed like Martin just settled on whoever was easy to recruit and never really went after the big recruits. He's doing well at USC according to rankings but who can't recruit at USC.
What bothers me more is when Jones keeps saying UK had better ranked recruiting classes under Joker than they had ever had before. This just isn't true. In two full seasons, according to Rivals, Joker and UK had the 62nd best recruiting class in 2011 and 63rd best in 2012. In the season he took over for Brooks after the bowl game, UK had the 50th best recruiting class so there was a clear drop off.
Jones always gives Tee Martin a ton of credit for Joker allegedly having better classes than "UK had ever had before...." The fact of the matter is that Joker was a much better lead recruiter for Brooks than Tee Martin ever was for Joker. The recruiting rankings and the product on the field bear that out. It seemed like Martin just settled on whoever was easy to recruit and never really went after the big recruits. He's doing well at USC according to rankings but who can't recruit at USC.
I know this is bringing up old battles but I have always felt that way about that way about Tee's recruiting. I always thought he was overrated. Going purely off star ratings Tee's classes looked good but it seemed he recruiting a lot of high risk low reward type players that did nothing more the bump up our overall rankings. Signing a bunch of moderate 3 star kids that were almost certain to not make academically just to say we signed 3 star kids did nothing for us. This is another thing I have always been at odds with Matt Jones about. He keeps saying that Tee recruited well but Joker didn't develop players. Go back and look at those classes after the unspeakable levels of attrition that was predictable at the time and then tell me how good those classes really were. How many 3 star players did we resign in 2 or 3 separate classes while we were waiting on them to qualify year after year. All of that for players that were just 3 star kids that were just marginally higher rated than the 2 star kids that Brooks signed. That's not good recruiting to me.
For most of the media (in Kentucky) they look at UK football kind of like one of us football-first guys would look at UK baseball or UK women's basketball..we care about them because they're representing the university and state that we love, and we might actually start following them somewhat closely if they have a really good team every once in a while, but it's not going to ruin our weekend if the women's basketball team loses..the media in Kentucky are about as emotionally invested in UK football as one of us is invested in UK baseball..we could easily brush off a loss..we (somewhat) care about the UK baseball & women's basketball players, but we aren't going to actually spend time analyzing the roster and following the practice reports and getting excited about the upcoming women's basketball game..if we ran a UK website we would hire someone to cover those sports for us
[that were just 3 star kids that were just marginally higher rated than the 2 star kids that Brooks signed. That's not good recruiting to me.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree that Tee was completely overrated. I suspect Jones touts him because he leaked a lot of information to Jones. I really thought Tee was probably good at self-promoting but not a good recruiter or a coach (with the infamous "I never played the position" comment on the WRs he coached). UK really recruited poorly overall when he was here and much worse than what UK did when Joker was the lead recruiter for Brooks. It seemed like every year we were getting excited about a recruit who was committed to another SEC but had lost his offer from that SEC school. I don't remember any of those players really working out at all. Tee's classes weren't ranked high and they did not overproduce their rankings either.
Completely agree that Tee was completely overrated. I suspect Jones touts him because he leaked a lot of information to Jones. I really thought Tee was probably good at self-promoting but not a good recruiter or a coach (with the infamous "I never played the position" comment on the WRs he coached). UK really recruited poorly overall when he was here and much worse than what UK did when Joker was the lead recruiter for Brooks. It seemed like every year we were getting excited about a recruit who was committed to another SEC but had lost his offer from that SEC school. I don't remember any of those players really working out at all. Tee's classes weren't ranked high and they did not overproduce their rankings either.
Tee Martin's best recruiting accomplishment at UK was pumping up the resume and reputation of Tee Martin. Actual good recruits he got to sign on the dotted line & play football for the University of Kentucky? Pretty awful. But hey, he got looked at for a job by Bama & then actually landed one at Southern Cal, so mission accomplished on his part.
We need to understand Martin had a total of ONE year college coaching experience before he came to UK. New Mexico I think where he came from. He had coached(volunteer?) in HS in Georgia for a while previously. I think he was on the staff, again maybe a volunteer position, at the HS Matt Roark attended. Anyway, he was just starting his college coaching career when he was at UK. I think we all knew he was just passing thru. But his UK time turned out to be much ado about nothing. A lot of us, me included, gave him much more credit than he deserved. His ultimate signees were beyond ordinary. Nevertheless he learned something, he's recruited fairly well at USC and managed to piss off UT people by turning them down so that's a plus.
I'm pretty sure it was made clear to Tee Martin that he wasn't actually in the running for the job. My guess he was interviewed to appease the UT fan base. Butch Jones likes to surround himself with who he wants, not who the fans want (see Mike Debord). Tee Martin did alright by himself though, he's one of the few from that staff that is at a big-name school.
Matt should just replace Ryan with Freddie and let Freddie do all of the talking during football season. Matt would never hire someone more knowledgable than him to be his cohost though. Matt would rather hire a goofy punching bag yes man figure that he can ridicule and make jokes about. That way Matt is never challenged on air when he's blowing hot air and falsehoods. It's aggravating to hear constant slaughtering of our players' names and mistaking recruits and players for other recruits and players. The casual fan hears all of those mistakes and repeats them to others then we have a bunch of misinformed fans. It would be less annoying if Matt was capable of admitting when he was wrong and correcting himself on air. Instead he skips over it and hopes no one noticed
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So I went back and listened to that segment. A caller called in and asked if we are going to see an improvement at Tight End because we haven't had a good one since Dicky Lyons Jr. Matt said Dicky didn't play TE, to which the caller said he thought he did because he was so big. Dicky Lyons Jr is/was 5'11" and #190.
So yeah. I think you are greatly underestimating the capacity of our casual fans.
