Maybe not "wealth" but they have money and the ability to print more at will. And the government spends billions and billions on an array of other things .
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Maybe not "wealth" but they have money and the ability to print more at will. And the government spends billions and billions on an array of other things .
You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want. You're not allowed to say you're for capitalism and then say there's too much money in something.
Thankfully we have ended quantitative easing. We are still running incredible deficits. There is no money.
That is actually what makes college sports appealing to me.
So- honestly discussing ... not trolling lol - should basketball and football players be paid less ? Like as a whole ? Bc the "company" they work for generates billions bc of said players . Ya know ? Should other professions be paid more ? Absolutely. 100%- but the salary of a fireman is the fault of the government... plus there's probably 1000x plus the amount of firemen , police
Etc than there are ball players who make a gaxillion $$ a year
I'm not really in the fireman subtheme. I simply think too much money is in pro sports. It's just a personal opinion.
Yes it is way too much, the common man is being priced out of the market to see games live. In the next 10;years I think all games of major importance will become pay for view. Owners cannot keep raising ticket prices to pad their bottom line and players cannot keep getting these contracts if they care anything about the fan. Advertisers are not going to pay millions for a 30 second commercial so pay for view is going to have to come into play. Athletes and owners are not the only people being overpaid, CEO's and Officers of major Corporations are overpaid as well.
How about where you mentioned that 'too much money flows into the league'.
And to quote you further, 'please keep up'.
That isn't a knock on capitalism. It is a knock on monopolies and cartels. Both of which function within capitalism but outside a true free market. Again, it's just my opinion.
Consumers drive the market. Without consumer demand, there is no market. That's where the money comes from. Not from unions or cartel dealings. From the people who like the product. The consumer wants it and is willing to pay for it.
Actually, advertisers drive demand. That is what advertising is all about. Without advertisers there is no big money. Consumers are the sheep in the middle.
Companies like Pepsi and Gatorade.
Tell me where they get their advertising dollars. And also why they want to buy advertisements.
We both know the answer. Pro sports are almost unique. The majority of their money comes from an indirect relationship with consumers. Consumers feed Pepsi and Gatorade, while Gatorade and Pepsi feed media outlets who then feed pro sports.
Sorry, I guess my fireman reference was to someone else who was saying out teachers , police , firemen etc should
Be paid more / as much as NBA / star pro athletes.
I agree I mean it is an insane amount of money.. but that's how much the NBA generates . A fraction of it actually . So with that being said ; if the NBA is indeed making that much ... isn't it fair to pay the best players in the world a nice chunk of that considering it's the Lebrons, Durants, currys, walls, , Hardens, A davis 'a etc etc that make up the NBA and make it as popular as it is ?
wonder how much Siva is making these days?........... just poking fun at the infamous Siva>Wall post from back in the day
You can go to a Pacers game for less than you can a UK or UL game and the players don't get paid at UK or UL.
These guys absolutely should get paid for their full value. Something that is often forgotten is that a lot of NBA players came from pretty rough backgrounds (not all of course). I think it is a great thing that people who grew up less fortunate are able to make enough money to not only support themselves but also put some of that $ back in to their communities where it is desperately needed.
I see stories all the time of pro athletes donating to high schools, community centers, etc. We need more of this kind of thing in this country. If you become rich go back and help the people that were just like you. When somebody like Wall gets a huge contract it means that the kids in his hometown will see some benefit both from the actual $ he puts back into the community and from being inspired by seeing success. It's a great thing that someone like him gets major bank instead of the top 1% (the owners) accumulating even more wealth that is not circulated in areas where it will make a huge difference in people's lives. The money is there, might as well go to somebody who will actually do some good with it.
This is part of the reason that I love what Cal is doing. He is putting guys on the path to success while also emphasizing that they should lift up their communities when they achieve that success. They're gonna be great basketball players regardless but by coming to play for Cal they are being taught how to make a positive impact on their hometowns and therefore on the country at large. He is teaching these guys valuable life lessons that will make peoples lives better. There are many universities where this type of thinking is an afterthought.
TL;DR These guys should get paid full value. The more $ they make the better position they will be in to help people that actually need it. Also Cal is great.
I see stories all the time of pro athletes donating to high schools, community centers, etc. We need more of this kind of thing in this country. If you become rich go back and help the people that were just like you. When somebody like Wall gets a huge contract it means that the kids in his hometown will see some benefit both from the actual $ he puts back into the community and from being inspired by seeing success. It's a great thing that someone like him gets major bank instead of the top 1% (the owners) accumulating even more wealth that is not circulated in areas where it will make a huge difference in people's lives. The money is there, might as well go to somebody who will actually do some good with it.
This is part of the reason that I love what Cal is doing. He is putting guys on the path to success while also emphasizing that they should lift up their communities when they achieve that success. They're gonna be great basketball players regardless but by coming to play for Cal they are being taught how to make a positive impact on their hometowns and therefore on the country at large. He is teaching these guys valuable life lessons that will make peoples lives better. There are many universities where this type of thinking is an afterthought.
TL;DR These guys should get paid full value. The more $ they make the better position they will be in to help people that actually need it. Also Cal is great.
They come from different communities than the posters on this forum, if you know what I mean. That's why they hate it. They don't talk about the millions golfers, tennis ,nhl ,or mlb players make, just basketball and football.
Sure they do they get tuition, books, food and lodging as well as Coaching and the use of facilities. I wish the University would have given me that 100,000 dollar incentive. And who would pay to see the Pacers anyway.
Only thing he is making is burgers at the local McDonalds.wonder how much Siva is making these days?........... just poking fun at the infamous Siva>Wall post from back in the day
I've seen you post some mind shatteringly dumb comments before, but this one takes the cake. I'm not jealous at all, I live comfortably and I'm happy that these guys get to make a lot of money. But to argue that our culture doesn't place too much of an emphasis on entertainment is incredibly short sighted at best and utterly ignorant at worst.
Teachers, police and fire fighters are not "heart string tugging" professions, they are vital professions. Teachers are those charged with educating the future leaders and policy makers and even more importantly the future voters. If you don't understand that they are more important, individually and collectively, then a ball player then we should stop the discussion right there. That's as basic as saying the world is round.
But sports is funded by cable revenues, merchandise sales and tax payer funded stadium deals. It doesn't come out of thin air. That money could be used to improve our education system, increase teacher's pay in order to attract better talent, and pay for a health care system that works. But instead it is spent on entertainment to distract folks from the deterioration of this nation and its populace.
I acknowledged that in my post, and that is exactly problem. The problem is that our society, through its spending habits, places a greater emphasis on entertainment than it does on education and healthcare. To simplify it, people will pay $150 a month for cable but balk at paying their health insurance costs. Kids on welfare still find a way to pay for $200 sneakers and licensed merchandise.
The problem isn't how much players make versus owners, the problem is that our society isn't smart enough to understand what is important. Unless you truly believe that hitting a jump shot is more than having an educated and healthy society.
I'm not saying that government should tell us where to spend our money, but I am saying that as society we should make better choices of where to spend our money. Or we can continue they way we are going and watch our country's education system (and global rankings in education) continue to deteriorate, among other things.
Really live in a fantasy world huh? You should perhaps study capitalism or move to Russia or France. Like you, those places think people are too stupid to make their own decisions. It's not working out to well for them. In your case, maybe they have a point. In any case, go nurse your guilty conscience elsewhere.
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It's not that you're totally incorrect, but what you seem to be arguing for is more money to go into areas such as governemnt ran programs. The people gave the government rights over the peoples education. You can dump as much money into that black hole as you like, it wont help. The DOE doesn't need more money, it needs better teachers; it needs to actually teach subjects that help students live in the real world, not total focus on ridiculous things such as "the war between France and Sparta 1414." Government controlled education is intended to make people stupid, always was, and it's working.
What NBA players make vs what our teachers and firemen make ... makes no sense to try and make a correlation. Completely different things.
I guess the same can be said for the NFL as well ? Baseball ... NASCAR , hockey ...
I'm arguing about citizens priorities when spending their personal dollars. I'm simply saying that yes, the market is responsible for the dollars that get funneled into pro sports and movies, etc but is that the right way to spend our money. The market is simply a term used to describe the collective citizens of our country, we make choices and those choices make a market. I'd argue that its a terribly dumb decision for us (the market) to value entertainment at such a high rate.
You say government controlled education is structured to keep people stupid, I'd say that the importance of entertainment (sports, movies, tv) in our culture has been orchestrated, to some degree, in order to keep people (upper middle class -> welfare classes) from focusing on the ruling class who control the system and make rule for their own benefit at the expense of everyone else.
But at the end of the day, yes, I'd rather see my tax dollars spent on education and infrastructure then on a stadium or an arena that will never return the type of tax base increases that are necessary for that deal to become profitable for the city offering the tax dollars.
It only makes no sense if you don't understand what I said above. Pro athletes make so much because of choices we make, which are bad choices economically.
This board wants to act like what I'm saying is crazy, but it is far from it. Not long ago professional athletes did not make that much more than middle class folks, But over the last 20-30 the difference has skyrocketed because of tv revenues while our global rankings in education plummet (I use education as an example, but it is not the only other option). I don't see that as a positive for our country.
I don't think you're crazy. Athletes make too much money. Surely anyone can see that. But that's the market and that's what people want. The only way to stop it is to
A: change the people (not happening)
B: have the government regulate it (bye bye America)
So you're left with the real world, the utopia is a myth.
In the real world where people value throwing a baseball over education, we must use our resources wisely so that people like you and I (who value things above sports) see benefit. We can't complain when we put teachers interests or a politicians interests ahead of the childs interests because of ideological and political reasoning. It works both ways. If you take money out of John Walls pocket and put it into (for example) the Department of Ed, all that really happens is the money ends up in another gutter.
So I don't think you're wrong, I just think you're using a logic that cannot and will not happen. I'd rather spend the time trying to get entities like the Fed under control insteadof wishing for utopias.
Makes sense to me at least.
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