Question From A Hawkeye On Mark Stoops
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Kind of agree - but the part about a smart AD - well is kind of true- but the same AD hired and kept the previous coach, lost over 20,000 season ticket holders because he was reluctant to make changes. However, that is why I say kind of true - he stuck with Stoops - but in reality beating Miss. State with the last second field goal and the rest of that season is why Coach Stoops is here - had that not happened - we would have probably had another coaching change.
Go Big Blue!
I sit in the North End Zone Kinnick Edge Lounge and was in the outdoor seats and NEVER in over 40 years of going to Iowa games have I heard it louder.
UK fans won't know this-- but in that game against Penn State this year, PSU was called for illegal procedure on 3 consecutive plays because the noise was so loud when they were pinned deep in their own end in the 2nd quarter of that game. Have never ever seen that before in a game.
we had the same thing vs Florida (i would have to look up how many false starts they had)
as fans we all love when our fans make a difference
Thanks for the post homer. You definitely have an Iowa connection. Hope one day you can take in a game at Kinnick. If you do, send me a private message through Rivals and you are welcome to my tailgate!
My daughter-in-law is from Sioux City too. Heelan High School (once a tremendous high school football power). Has your wife ever called it Sewer City? LOL
The Stead Childrens Hospital Wave at the end of the 1st quarter is a truly remarkable experience in itself.
3 - Mission accomplished for 6-7 straight with Iowa State, Minnesota and Nebraska for Iowa
Not so much, against Wisconsin, after a healthy era against them in 1970s-1990s prior to Barry Alvarez being hired. Kirk in 2002, being a thorn for Barry, until his retirement, but since 2010, only two B1G wins.
Mark Stoops is the youngest of the brothers. First ever game for Iowa vs. Kentucky, should be a good one!
Yup! Those Kinnick night games against ranked opponents really generate some serious noise...and, wins.
Additionally, recruits who are "sitting on the fence" are usually the first to:
(1) charge the field;
(2) celebrate that night in Iowa City with the team;
(3) return home, and tell their friends/family about the experience; and
(4) commit to Iowa.
Additionally, recruits who are "sitting on the fence" are usually the first to:
(1) charge the field;
(2) celebrate that night in Iowa City with the team;
(3) return home, and tell their friends/family about the experience; and
(4) commit to Iowa.
She went to Sioux City North, graduated 1983. She was a really good athlete, is in the "North Stars Hall of Fame". I've only been to SC a few times, not sure I've heard her use that term, will ask though. LOL
A couple of good SC memories are:
1. A lunch visit to a place that had awesome chili dogs, I want to say Milwaukee Weiner House. ??
2. And the biggie was going to kind of a dive bar called Miles Inn, having a few (or more....) "schooners" and gorging on numerous Charlie Boys. LOL!
If we were to make it back to Kinnick for a game I will search you out. Thanks for the invite.
I do, because I DVR'ed the game to watch in case we played one or the other. Was just like our Florida game, very similar in intensity.
The SEC West is boss now. In any other conference, Florida, LSU and Tennessee would be 9-3. The SEC is definitely not down. It’s just ridiculously deep.
The east is down while the west in 2021 was probably the best division since the leagues all went to divisions.
Invite will stand for sure.
I don't have a lot of Sioux City knowledge myself-- it's several hours from us in Iowa City.
I hear ya about Nebraska in an earlier post. Huskers fall has been dramatic. Bo Pelini at least kept Big Red somewhat competitive. Huge mistake was firing Frank Solich.
Bama: After Bear Bryant retired end of 1982, Alabama went through 6 coaches over 24 seasons before hiring Nick Saban. 4 losing seasons occurred during this span. Between 1983-2006, Tide were also hit on at least 3 separate occasions with NCAA violations.
Before Bear Bryant and Bob Devaney, both Alabama and Nebraska endured some awful losing seasons. These things happen in cycles. Smart ADs are patient with coaches like Mark Stoops and Kirk Ferentz.
Well said. As I said earlier, I do not envy any coach who takes over for Nick Saban one day. Surest firing that could ever happen will be that one.
As for Nebraska, their fan base is the most dillusional in sports. They so desperately want it to be the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s again and still consider themselves one of the elite programs in America-- they've just decided to take the last 20 years off. In their attempt to win every year at a high level, they have plowed through coaches like there's no tomorrow. Same with ADs. Has only stunted their growth. They would have fired Frost after this season if not for the fact they would have had to given him a $20 million buyout. Agree, firing Solich will haunt them forever.
One theory that I happen to buy is that when they were in the Big 12, Nebraska used to play Texas teams 4 or 5 times a year, or close to that anyway, but when they went to the B10, they no longer played in the state of Texas or played any of the Texas teams, which dearly hurt their recruiting efforts. No way they can win with just in state kids.
By the way Frost should be fired for malpractice alone with the way he misused Wandale Robinson, our top receiver. You will not enjoy playing against him, I predict. 😄
Wandale is very similar to Rondale from Purdue (so are their names). Definitely a playmaker the Iowa defense will need to be aware of at all times.
We know all about Robinson-- probably played him 3 times already. No offense, as good as we know he is, he nor anyone else is a David Bell of Purdue in our minds. Sometime for grins, look up David Bell's numbers in 3 games against Iowa. Insanity overdrive.
Your Nebraska theory makes much sense. I think many things are the problems there. Many Nebraska fans, those that let their egos be set aside, will tell you moving to the B1G from the Big 12 was their worst mistake ever. They have really had their struggles here.
The SEC E is “down” in part because Mark Stoops put them there. When UK is winning 9/10 games, the East is in trouble. Ask that dingbat ex UF coach. Stoops pretty much ended his career.
We won 9 this year, and it was “sort of” disappointing. We just pulled in our highest ranked class in the Stoops era. We have a real OC now. The East better get their shit together.
We won 9 this year, and it was “sort of” disappointing. We just pulled in our highest ranked class in the Stoops era. We have a real OC now. The East better get their shit together.
Indiana used to be a good basketball school. Sorry to correct you but they suck and we despise them.
I've followed Big Red since the early 70s. Never a been big fan, but rather a casual supporter. Back then my aunt, who'd lived in NE since 1961, visited during Christmas one year. She said, "you better be cheering for the Cornhuskers against LSU" in the Orange Bowl. Huskers won. Three decades of dominance followed.
In my humble opinion, many factors contributed to Big Red's demise: Geography, demographics, recruiting, roster quotas and conference realignments, to name a few.
Lincoln lies just 60 miles from Omaha, but comparatively further from other population centers. For example, Kansas City is 200 miles away. Huskers were just fine competing in the old Big-8 under Bob Devaney and Tom Osborne. Realignment with old Southwest Conference creating Big XII resulted in a slight drop-off. However, even after joining Big XII, Huskers still went 82-21 under Osborne and Frank Solich, winning a national title in 1997. Once Bill Callahan replaced Solich, losing started. Tom Osborne stated if Callahan had won his last game, he may have survived for another year. Fans can say what they want about Bo Pelini, but he averaged 9 wins per season. Ha ha, he simply couldn't remain politically correct.
Omaha World Herald published a lengthy piece on Nebraska football woes a few years ago. Demographics now factors into recruiting. More kids choose soccer over football, especially among the growing Latino population. Devaney, Osborne and Solich mined the high schools well for players. Nebraska walk-on program provided a wealth of bodies for non-skill player positions (i.e linemen). For their respective offensive systems (I Formation), life was good. Everything changed under Callahan and Pelini. Walk-on limits also hurt.
Aside from joining B1G, the game has evolved. Big Red last ran the I Formation in 2003, I believe. Callahan and Pelini recognized the evolving P-5 college game by employing spread offenses. Problem is they could not recruit the personnel to run it successfully every season.
Scott Frost disappointed many Husker fans. Adrian Martinez never really excelled at his position, and I think Frost put too much faith into his QB. Huskers definitely misused Wan'Dale Robinson.
You've dissected the Husker world quite well I'd say. The Huskers fan base is seriously whacked. They truly want to think they are one of the elite programs in America because they won so much 30, 40, 50 years ago and have just never been able to deal with how that is not them anymore.
Frost has gone from walking on water when first hired to many in the fan base despising him now. To think Nebraska has now gone 6 straight seasons without a bowl appearance is mind boggling. And as much as people want to rip on Adrian Martinez, the guy was the best talent Nebraska had. He's obviously gone now. Nebraska just had the bottom recruiting class in the B1G. Rough deal going on there. We've beaten them 7 years in a row now. Not even a rivalry anymore.
Many I have not seen since. i assume a number of them were opposing fans not wanting UK to be successful. Yes we have impatient people also. Every move he made was examined. he left a reciver open against Fla, oh my! You would have thought the world ended. As a program, UK has never sustained this level of play or recruiting. I suspect if he doesn't win the East in a couple years, extremists will be calling for a change but, it's a great time to be a Cat fan
Yeah 2016 he was on path to being run out a few games in but during the New Mexico St game they recovered to win and went on to win some games and upset Louisville last game of the season. He committed to heavy run game to shorten it, etc...and they won some that way.
Yeah, just found out Adrian Martinez transferring to Kansas State for his 5th year. The Husker program seriously imploded. Correct, he was Huskers best playmaker. At one time, Huskers paid 2 former coaches buyouts when Frost arrived.
Hawkeyes have built a solid program over the years. Considering location, Kirk Ferentz totally outperforms his peers. Much respect.
You'll see where Nebraska ranks in "dead money" on former Head Coaches. #2 overall:
The boom of dead money in college sports
What did FBS schools pay football and basketball coaches not to coach? The numbers will surprise you.
www.espn.com
man it pays to get firedYou'll see where Nebraska ranks in "dead money" on former Head Coaches. #2 overall:
The boom of dead money in college sports
What did FBS schools pay football and basketball coaches not to coach? The numbers will surprise you.www.espn.com
who would have thought that would be the new path to financial success
You are living in the past. UK is transitioning into a football school. I’m glad we have a good basketball team, but football pulls the cart in the SEC. The pressure to succeed on a stoops has never been higher and his success will cause that to continue to rise. We are on the cusp of SEC upper echelon status and the fans are not going to accept regression. Not to mention, this is the basketball team’s second year in a row of mediocre play and no one really seems to care as much as they would have in the past.
I think Alabama fans have earned the right to be the arrogant, self-righteous prick that they are. Meanwhile, Tennessee fans believe it's still 1995 and the rest of the nation worships the ghost of Peyton Manning as they do.
Kentucky football fans haven't been able to celebrate this kind of success in many years. But I promise you, we are just as loyal and devoted to our team as any other fanbase is to theirs...
The Tennesse fan base sounds like what the Nebraska fan base is in the B1G. The depths Nebraska has gone though are even deeper than Tennessee.
Beating Florida did it for me. He still makes me grab my head in frustration, but the trend is upward, steady if slow, and he's the best we've had in a generation.
He's had some really bad in game blunders as a coach. The UF game a few years ago especially. Not great at clock management sometimes.
But, every coach had a weakness. Not beating UT in '18 and this year were bad coaching performances. However, he has upgraded UK Football exponentially. Has owned UofL the last few years. Recruits at much higher level than anyone ever has at UK.
Another thing I have noticed is these kids absolutely love him. He has created a very trusting and loyal environment at UK.
Considering what he took over and where was at that point, his time so far has been impressive.
The more I read UK fans' take on Mark Stoops the more I think him and Kirk Ferentz are wired the very same. Clock management an absolute liability of Kirk Ferentz for sure.
Glass half empty opinion.
For me his 2 biggest issues that had me not 100% on board were his offense and his coaching issues.
His offense always looked like it was going to be more of a high powered passing attack but it always regressed back to a run heavy offense it seemed. We kept hiring Air Raid like offensive coordinators but never could recruit or keep a qb healthy enough to have a strong passing game.
That led many to believe Stoops wouldn't stay out of the coordinators way with the run heavy offense we kept reverting to. The only offensive coordinator that stayed more than a year or two was Gran and he probably preferred to run it more with his experience as a rb coach.
His other issue was the constant mistakes he kept making. We struggled with things like having the right number of players on the field, bad penalties, poor timeout usage, defensive players leaving wide receivers wide open multiple times in the same game for touchdowns, and terrible end of half clock management.
At times we've lacked discipline with the players as well (like throwing a garbage can at an opposing player during a game). He's definitely gotten better with most of that but still has some of the same issues here and there.
I'm still not a huge Stoops fan with his hardheadedness to change. He tends to play a little to conservative for my liking (even defensive minded Saban changed with the times much quicker). There's no doubt that we're definitely much better now then at most any point in our history though and we can thank Stoops for that.
For me his 2 biggest issues that had me not 100% on board were his offense and his coaching issues.
His offense always looked like it was going to be more of a high powered passing attack but it always regressed back to a run heavy offense it seemed. We kept hiring Air Raid like offensive coordinators but never could recruit or keep a qb healthy enough to have a strong passing game.
That led many to believe Stoops wouldn't stay out of the coordinators way with the run heavy offense we kept reverting to. The only offensive coordinator that stayed more than a year or two was Gran and he probably preferred to run it more with his experience as a rb coach.
His other issue was the constant mistakes he kept making. We struggled with things like having the right number of players on the field, bad penalties, poor timeout usage, defensive players leaving wide receivers wide open multiple times in the same game for touchdowns, and terrible end of half clock management.
At times we've lacked discipline with the players as well (like throwing a garbage can at an opposing player during a game). He's definitely gotten better with most of that but still has some of the same issues here and there.
I'm still not a huge Stoops fan with his hardheadedness to change. He tends to play a little to conservative for my liking (even defensive minded Saban changed with the times much quicker). There's no doubt that we're definitely much better now then at most any point in our history though and we can thank Stoops for that.
i think he also had a learning curve since he had never been a head coach
it is one thing to stand on the side when others are making the calls
it is another thing when the pressure is on you
bottom line he had to grow as a coach and i think he has done that
a few years ago we actually had a discussion on here about this very thing
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