early in the game Georgia was on their own 5 yard line and got a personal foul penalty, which the ref announced as 1/2 the distance to the goal, but then the ball was placed at about the 8 yard line and it was first and 7. What happened there? Was it a spot foul or something?
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Apparently the gain in the play stood, and had gone to the 16 yard line.
My question at the time, was if the gain was counted, why wasn’t the down. They had 1st and seven, me thinking it should have been second and seven.
I remember the play. UGA had a nice gain on the play, the penalty was one of those penalized from point of the foul. As to why it remained 1st down, the penalty occurred before the whistle. If it had occurred after whistle the down would have counted.
It's the rule, maybe my wording is confusing. You hear the officials say "from point of the foul" every game. It's like a holding call that happens during live play, if team takes penalty down remains the same. I think the confusing part of this on is it happened during a nice gain and offender was downfield. It really isn't that rare.
Agreee but the call was a chop block on a lineman….which would indicate to me it was t LOS
But regardless…these spot fouls are bull jive…they should all mark from LOS. If I go five yards and hold a dude….it should not be first and fifteen…just mark it first and twenty…..I’d argue same on punt returns and such…just mark them all from ball caught fouls instead of point of contact
I'm no rules expert but it would seem to me that if the penalty happened during the play it should have been marked off from the LOS which would have made it 1st and 13. It was an illegal chop block which means it had to have happened during the play. Now if it was after the play I could see the play standing and be marked off from the end of the play. I think the Ref's totally whiffed on that not that it made any difference in the outcome.
There was a play in the first quarter where the George RB was called for holding while in the backfield. - at least 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage And the play result was an incomplete pass. The next play, it was 1st and 18??
Not necessarily, a chop block is still a chop block no matter where it happens. This isn't a rare thing, may not happen every game but pretty often.
If I remember the play correctly the penalty was called on a WR so I assumed it was downfield.
It may be the proper enforcement of the rule, but if so, the rule needs to be re-evaluated.
Just doesn’t make sense that on 1st and 10, the offense commits a penalty, and now has 1st and 7???
It may be the right call, but it sure seems wrong.
Just doesn’t make sense that on 1st and 10, the offense commits a penalty, and now has 1st and 7???
It may be the right call, but it sure seems wrong.
I'm not sure what penalties downfield aren't point of foul but most are other than pass interference for both offense and defense.
Who remembers when offensive holding was a point of foul penalty even behind the LOS? You'd throw the ball on first down and get a holding penalty 8 yards in the backfield and it was worse than a personal foul. It was 1st and 28.
That's what bothers me, either first and ten or second and seven I say ok. I'm looking for logic and can't get it.. if they say first and seven where and why was the first down marker placed? It's not important, just one of those things.. lets beat Mizzou by 14, and I'll let it go.
Exactly, they screwed that up but it really doesn’t matter. I mean my God, how were the cats so unprepared? And you could tell in the second quarter they had given up. Just a sad state of affairs really
No! This game hinged on that one call and it changed the outcome of the entire season! Come on man..
I was reading the replay on front page here, it wasn't a chop block, it was a dowfield blindslide block against UGA's RT. It's a spot foul and penalized from the infraction.
I'm surprised you're getting so much pushback on this. This kind of penalty happens pretty frequently, usually due to a down field holding call. They are spot fouls when beyond the line of scrimmage and the down is replayed.
Consider if the offense has the ball at their own 20 yard line and the running back breaks a big run. A WR gets down the field to block for him, but commits a holding penalty at the 50 yard line. If the rule worked the way you propose then the ball would be moved back to the 10 yard line. In essence that would be a 40 yard penalty from the spot of the foul. It absolutely makes sense to me the penalty would be assessed from the 50 yard line considering the running back gained no advantage from the penalty to reach that spot.
Does anyone recall a play in the 2nd half where there were offsetting penalties? UGA had gained several yards on the play and the ref said that the penalties off set but the ball was marked at the new line of scrimmage not the original line of scrimmage? With offsetting penalties isn't the down played over? I guess I could see if if they were both after the play but if I recall one was holding on UGA and the other was a neutral zone infraction on UK.
I believe I remember that play, both guys got up talking trash, maybe pushing a little. Both were called for penalties. The penalties were called after the play was over, ball was dead. If they had been called during the play you would be correct, off setting, so no play and ball back to original LOS. At least that is the one I remember, between a receiver and db.
It's no big deal, I understand not many have spent as much time reading a rulebook as I did. But these new rules really confuse me.
That doesn't explain 1st and 7. Where would the new first down marker be placed in your scenerio?
I will try to help clear it up. Ball on 7, a nice, but a blindside block occurred at the 20. Half the distance to the goal, to the 10. Down remains the same because penalty happened on life ball. Chains don't move, so 1st and 7.
After reading the review of game it was a blindside block, both are personal fouls with same penalty.
There may be others but the only penalty occurring during live play that loses a down is intentional grounding. The offense was penalized 10 yards, the key is where the foul happened, if it happened at LOS and it was 1st and 13 no one would be confused.
No the play I am talking about the UK player was lined up inside the neutral zone but I don't recall what the UGA player was called for. I just remember it because the Defensive Lineman was lined up too far over the ball.
You have a point. Why reward them with a shorter 1D distance? Should reset the 1D marker upfield to create 1 & 10 from the new spot.
I don't know of any live ball offense plays with loss of down other than intentional grounding. The rule ought to always 1 & 10 after any other live ball penalty.
I don't think he is saying that. Just that after the penalty, it should always be 1 & 10 by moving the the 1D marker upfield enough, when necessary, to make it so. Good idea imo.
That may or may not be true, but as the rule is today the officials marked the ball and down correct. If it weren't do you really think CMS would have accepted it without a word to the official?
As far as my comments, I wasn’t trying to imply call wasn’t correct, it just seems odd. I also had no idea of even remotely figuring out how to fix the “oddness”, but the suggestion to mark of the distance and then move the chains to make 1st and 10 makes sense to me.
Doesn't all penalties occur before the whistle? Why would ref blow the whistle if no penalty
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