Quarters Instead of Halfs
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I wish it would revert to 4 quarters, along with bringing back the jumpball.
i'd like to have five quarters. that way you'd get more bang for your buck.
I thought college had always been halves.
Either way, the networks are not going to have less commercials regardless of the format.
Either way, the networks are not going to have less commercials regardless of the format.
Women actually don't have bonus(1&1) any more, after 5 fouls in a quarter other team shoots 2 shots. starts over each quarter. carries over if over time
Really? Maybe I'm just confused by all th high school ball I watched back then. My uncle was the athletic director where I'm from so I watched high school a ton back then but I could have swore the college game was quarters at some point in the 90's.
Oh well.
I don't recall exactly when. It was quarters in the early 70's when I was in high school. Seems like it was still during the '78 championship,but I could be wrong. John will be along soon and put us straight.
In '97 they experimented with in in holiday tourneys per the link I gave. But I don't recall it.
Thanks Jed, I just went and looked it up too. They did experiment with quarters but people didn't like it.
No on 78. I remember that game well. Just watched it last week too. Apparently it's been about 60 years since it was quarters. Still reading about it.
It was quarters in the early 60s and then changed to halves. They had a center jump to begin the game, start of the second quarter, start of the second half and start of the 3rd quarter and any ot games. It was still a 40 min game, 10 min quarters. one of the main reasons for the change to halves was because of the officials never could get the toss right or so it seemed and halves meant fewer jumps.
A little hard to follow, but if I'm reading it right, college never had quarters except for experimenting.
Let’s travel back to 1892, when Dr. James Naismith published his original rules for “Basket Ball.” The 12th of Naismith’s rules states, “The time shall be two fifteen-minute halves, with five minutes rest between.”
So that’s it: College basketball plays in halves because that’s how the game was originally intended to be played. But it also means that the question we should be asking isn’t when the college game strayed from the fold, but rather, when and who decided to splice the halves in half.
In a 50th NBA anniversary retrospective article, the late Sam Goldaper recounted the league’s early days and uncovered why the Association (though not yet called the Association) deviated from Naismith’s plan upon establishment in 1946:
“However, rather than play 40 minutes divided into two halves, the BAA game was eight minutes longer and played in four 12-minute quarters,” Goldaper wrote, “so as to bring an evening’s entertainment up to the two-hour period owners felt the ticket buyers expected.” The shift towards making the pro game an entertainment event, and towards establishing a pro league at all, was to feed post-World War II America’s desire to spend new-found dollars on entertainment.
Meanwhile, college stuck with the two-half format, although the NCAA experimented with four 10-minute quarters from 1951-54.
Let’s travel back to 1892, when Dr. James Naismith published his original rules for “Basket Ball.” The 12th of Naismith’s rules states, “The time shall be two fifteen-minute halves, with five minutes rest between.”
So that’s it: College basketball plays in halves because that’s how the game was originally intended to be played. But it also means that the question we should be asking isn’t when the college game strayed from the fold, but rather, when and who decided to splice the halves in half.
In a 50th NBA anniversary retrospective article, the late Sam Goldaper recounted the league’s early days and uncovered why the Association (though not yet called the Association) deviated from Naismith’s plan upon establishment in 1946:
“However, rather than play 40 minutes divided into two halves, the BAA game was eight minutes longer and played in four 12-minute quarters,” Goldaper wrote, “so as to bring an evening’s entertainment up to the two-hour period owners felt the ticket buyers expected.” The shift towards making the pro game an entertainment event, and towards establishing a pro league at all, was to feed post-World War II America’s desire to spend new-found dollars on entertainment.
Meanwhile, college stuck with the two-half format, although the NCAA experimented with four 10-minute quarters from 1951-54.
what about jump ball on tie ups? what was the reasoning on that? I don't remember why. Thanks
Yeah, I stand corrected Jedwar. Been reading about it too since you asked. Has it always been halves excepting sporadic years in the 50's?
Has my memory gotten so bad. Anyone runs across some brain cells laying about, please return them. I've misplaced a few.
Lol well I'm reading to and that's is about what I make of it at this point. Still reading.
It will likely eventually end up going to quarters to try to keep the men's and women's game more similar in terms of the basic rules. Won't be until at least the 2017-18 season though because the rules are locked in for two years is what I've heard.
This exactly. Gone would be the days of spending over 10 consecutive minutes of a half in the bonus
I still haven' found a date for the change from quarters to halves. Apparently it's always been halves since the peach basket. I'm guessing I'm remembering the early 80's change when they stopped jumping the ball at center court for the second half.
That crackling sound is the arteries getting stiffer by the minute.
I don't necessarily care either way. But it is curious that they divide it differently. It is the same game after all. College baseball doesn't play 6 innings at 4 outs per inning.
1. In regards to rules, Why not make the college game as close to the NBA game as possible?
2. Anything that helps transition Cal's recruits to the NBA is always a plus. We'll see the shot clock lowered again before we see quarters, though.
2. Anything that helps transition Cal's recruits to the NBA is always a plus. We'll see the shot clock lowered again before we see quarters, though.
I kinda like it the way it is now. But the game and the rules will continue to evolve and change with the times. There was a time that some of the basketball purists were against the 3 point shot. But now it is a very exciting aspect and integral part of the game .
It's always been halves, with a few exceptions.
The only regulation games I'm aware of that UK played that used quarters was during the 1997 Maui Classic (vs. George Washington, Arizona & Missouri).
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19971124GeorgeWashington.html
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19971125Arizona.html
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19971126Missouri.html
The only regulation games I'm aware of that UK played that used quarters was during the 1997 Maui Classic (vs. George Washington, Arizona & Missouri).
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19971124GeorgeWashington.html
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19971125Arizona.html
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19971126Missouri.html
Thanks, John. You didn't run into a few years in the 50's that were quarters? Thought I saw a few references to that. When I get close to a computer and off this iPhone, I'll try to find that again.
Good stuff. Fun to investigate and s good lesson in not trusting the long term memory too heavily.
Two halves were in the original rules of basketball:
Original rules
In January 15, 1892, James Naismith published his rules for the game of "Basket Ball" that he invented:[1] The original game played under these rules was quite different from the one played today as there was no dribbling, dunking, three-pointers, or shot clock, and goal tending was legal.
Original rules
In January 15, 1892, James Naismith published his rules for the game of "Basket Ball" that he invented:[1] The original game played under these rules was quite different from the one played today as there was no dribbling, dunking, three-pointers, or shot clock, and goal tending was legal.
- The ball may be thrown in any direction with one or both hands.
- The ball may be batted in any direction with one or both hands.
- A player cannot run with the ball. The player must throw it from the spot on which he catches it, allowance to be made for a man who catches the ball when running at a good speed if he tries to stop.
- The ball must be held in or between the hands; the arms or body must not be used for holding it.
- No shouldering, holding, striking, pushing, or tripping in any way of an opponent. The first infringement of this rule by any person shall count as a foul; the second shall disqualify him until the next basket is made or, if there was evident intent to injure the person, for the whole of the game. No substitution shall be allowed.
- A foul is striking at the ball with the fist, violation of rules three and four and such described in rule five.
- If either side makes three consecutive fouls, it shall count a goal for the opponents (consecutive means without the opponents in the mean time making a foul).
- A goal shall be made when the ball is thrown or batted from the grounds into the basket and stays there (without falling), providing those defending the goal do not touch or disturb the goal. If the ball rests on the edges, and the opponent moves the basket, it shall count as a goal.
- When the ball goes out of bounds, it shall be thrown into the field of play and played by the first person touching it. In case of dispute the umpire shall throw it straight into the field. The thrower-in is allowed five seconds. If he holds it longer, it shall go to the opponent. If any side persists in delaying the game, the umpire shall call a foul on that side.
- The umpire shall be the judge of the men and shall note the fouls and notify the referee when three consecutive fouls have been made. He shall have power to disqualify people according to Rule 5.
- The referee shall be judge of the ball and shall decide when the ball is in play, in bounds, to which side it belongs, and shall keep the time. He shall decide when a goal has been made and keep account of the baskets, with any other duties that are usually performed by a scorekeeper.
- The time shall be two fifteen-minute halves, with five minutes rest between.
- The side making the most points in that time is declared the winner.
