PTI saying pelicans go after Calipari

[Poetax]

I will take a guess and say that anytime during this last season when anyone dare mention anything about coaching your response was 29-0 or 31-0 etc. Some people like to take a proactive approach while others are reactionary. Pretty simple to tell which camp you are in.

Ok, the reverse is everyone knows what camp you are in and I choose to like everything about Cal. My only advice to you is leave and find your happiness somewhere else if Cal's ways bother you. But its pretty stupid to say because of the great coaches that we have had, having the pros wanting them hurt recruiting with the success that we had with both coaches.

 

[3rex]

Yeah. Because I certainly was trying to paint an accurate picture of you rather than point out how mindless and trollish your posts are.

So for example.

I don't think you're the type of person who would actually, in real life, stick your nose in someone's negotiations and tell them that they're making too much.

I think that was a throwaway line from you regarding Cal because it's Cal. That guy that you have a mild dislike for who is coaching UK.

You wouldn't take the same crack at somebody else. Sort of like how you don't hold any other coach up to the standard that you hold Cal in terms of accomplishments. He does better than every other coach out there, has the best or second best first 6 years at a new program in CBB history, and yet any time you bring him up, you're complaining about him.

The joke was the idea that you hold some weird but self-consistent worldview (grumpy old socialist caricature).

The less humorous reality is that there's no consistency to be found from you: You just dislike Cal because you pine for an older model of the program (even if it was less successful on the court than now), and you will criticize him for stuff that you wouldn't for other people because you are predisposed to be displeased with his actions.

 

[Jkwo]

Would not say that I am bragging at all about pointing out inefficiencies in Cal's coaching rather than pointing out observations from these last 6 years which are easy to see for those choose to see rather than blindly follow. Of course constantly met with criticism and disbelief in how I can question such a god like coach in Calipari. Thus he blows another championship and questions about his coaching come out in full force. Maybe you will see I am bragging but again it is merely observation, you call it what you want. I choose to see, not blindly follow.

blindly following =/= being open to some degree of criticism, but finding people who have an overall negative vibe towards Cal after this ridiculous run to be unwarranted in their attitudes.

There's a chasm the size of the Pacific Ocean between those two options.

Nobody ever said Cal is beyond criticism. Every coach has things you can criticize - Self and K and Roy and Miller etc have all had horribly embarrassing coaching failures in the very recent past, too.

Of course you can criticize Cal. He's made plenty of mistakes. But again, if you are a Cat fan and your overall feeling towards Cal's performance comes out as negative, then you aren't some wise objective truth-seeker on the top of the mountain who can just see more clearly than the rest of us sheep.

You're not calibrated to neutral in that case. If you're not happy with this current level of on-the-court success we've been maintaining, then you are miscalibrated as a fan and will be miserable your whole life.

Same with any of those other coaches I listed to a lesser degree (okay, I see why a UNC fan would be down on Roy - but that's for special reasons).

 

[Jkwo]

Just admit it. You'll be happier when we have a different coach with a different model, even if he's somewhat less successful on the court. You just don't really like Cal. There's no shame in it. I'm not here screaming "heretic". The shameful part is when people troll around without their true intentions on display.

Just own it, bud. You don't like Cal. To the point where you'd let the program take a bit of a hit to have a different coach over him. Instead of playing coy, shout it from the mountaintops. Wear it like a badge of honor.

 

[3rex]

Just admit it. You'll be happier when we have a different coach with a different model, even if he's somewhat less successful on the court. You just don't really like Cal. There's no shame in it. I'm not here screaming "heretic". The shameful part is when people troll around without their true intentions on display.

Just own it, bud. You don't like Cal. To the point where you'd let the program take a bit of a hit to have a different coach over him.

ive come out & said I'm not a Cal fan more than once... its not like its any big secret or revelation.

 

[Jkwo]

ive come out & said I'm not a Cal fan more than once... its not like its any big secret or revelation.

Okay.

So taking the fact that you have a built in dislike for him, it means that when you frame it as "I'm on the objective side of things and people who disagree with me are all sunshine pumpers", you're being disingenuous.

An objective person in theory has one set standard for what would be good enough, accomplishment wise, at a certain school, and what would not be good enough.

That does not describe you - you would be *more* satisfied with a *lesser* performance from a coach that you personally liked more.

Therefore you and your ilk are not objective. Just own it.

 

[brianpoe]

ive come out & said I'm not a Cal fan more than once... its not like its any big secret or revelation.

That's better than our other in the closet Cal hater in the thread.


Allow me ask you a couple of questions:

Are you unhappy with the success the last 7 years?

What are you looking for in a coach?

Who would realistically come to UK that you would be satisfied with assuming you were in charge and fired Cal?

 

[cats2010]

More hypotheticals Cats2010? Just say you don't like Cal, it's ok. Your insinuations on every post are becoming annoying.

I love Cal as a recruiter but his coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Now that I have done as you asked. Please admit that if any other coach in the country other than Cal had put over 20 players in the NBA in the last 6 years and had one title and blew chances at three others that you would not be somewhat critical of that coach.

 

[Jkwo]

I love Cal as a recruiter but his coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Now that I have done as you asked. Please admit that if any other coach in the country other than Cal had put over 20 players in the NBA in the last 6 years and had one title and blew chances at three others that you would not be somewhat critical of that coach.

You can be critical, but the more revealing question is - who wouldn't you be critical of.

Again, answer for Miller and Self's failures over that time. Would you be even more down on them if you were a AZ or KU fan? Because their recruiting has been (not as good, but still unbelievably good), and they have been way, way, way, way less successful in the same time frame.

What about K losing a 2/15 game and 3/14 game both recently with his zillion McDs boys? One game scenario you might say, but Cal loses close games to HOF coaches in Final Fours in a one game scenario and it's a testament to his awful Xs and Os?

 

[3rex]

Okay.

So taking the fact that you have a built in dislike for him, it means that when you frame it as "I'm on the objective side of things and people who disagree with me are all sunshine pumpers", you're being disingenuous.

An objective person in theory has one set standard for what would be good enough, accomplishment wise, at a certain school, and what would not be good enough.

That does not describe you - you would be *more* satisfied with a *lesser* performance from a coach that you personally liked more.

Therefore you and your ilk are not objective. Just own it.

Well, for one, I've never even once uttered the term 'sunshine pampers," nor have I said or "framed things" as I'm the objective one.

Other than that, the rest of your post is just stuff you've made up out of your own head.

Everyone comes to the board with their own biases a leanings...whether they "buy it" or not. Doesn't bother me any. I realize it bothers you.

 

[blueboots]

Ok, the reverse is everyone knows what camp you are in and I choose to like everything about Cal. My only advice to you is leave and find your happiness somewhere else if Cal's ways bother you. But its pretty stupid to say because of the great coaches that we have had, having the pros wanting them hurt recruiting with the success that we had with both coaches.

I don't want a coach no one else wants do you?

 

[cats2010]

That's better than our other in the closet Cal hater in the thread.


Allow me ask you a couple of questions:

Are you unhappy with the success the last 7 years?

What are you looking for in a coach?

Who would realistically come to UK that you would be satisfied with assuming you were in charge and fired Cal?

There you go again accusing me of disliking Cal, actually hating this time, when I am just being overly critical. Cal demands the absolute best of his players but I guess we should just accept Cal as he is without reproach. Afterall you cant say anything bad about the guy without getting accused of hating him or wanting a different coach.

If he is going to recruit the best of the best and consistently field one of the best teams year in and year out he simply has to produce results in the form of championships. There are no second place trophies in history and yes it is very hard to Win championships and we have 8 in all these years. However all anyone wants to mention is the success we have had in the last 6 years. We all talk about titles and remind any fanbase who dare compare their program to UK we have 8 and they don't. Well in these last 6 years we have one title, Louisville has one and Duke and freaking UConn both have two. They are so hard to win yet UCONN has won two during our "dominant" time with two of the worse teams to ever win titles IMO both times beating Cal along the way.

 

[Jkwo]

Well, for one, I've never even once uttered the term 'sunshine pampers," nor have I said or "framed things" as I'm the objective one.

Other than that, the rest of your post is just stuff you've made up out of your own head.

Everyone comes to the board with their own biases a leanings...whether they "buy it" or not. Doesn't bother me any. I realize it bothers you.

The rest of my stuff is made up by a mr. merriam and webster. "Objective: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions."

If you remove your personal feelings/opinions about *any coach*, and just look at the factual list of accomplishments and evaluate it next to the accomplishments of *other coach*, then you fit that definition.

But that's rather less important of a distinction after this last post you made. If you don't want to frame yourself as objective, then great. There's no inconsistency. Cal has been objectively more successful than practically everybody else, but you subjectively don't like him. Fantastic.

Now if we can somehow get all your fellow eeyores to stop claiming the label..

 

[Poetax]

I don't want a coach no one else wants do you?

Exactly blueboots, everybody wants a winner, thats just the way society is today.

 

[3rex]

That's better than our other in the closet Cal hater in the thread.


Allow me ask you a couple of questions:

Are you unhappy with the success the last 7 years?

What are you looking for in a coach?

Who would realistically come to UK that you would be satisfied with assuming you were in charge and fired Cal?

Our success has been great & ive enjoyed it, yes. Though I'm not a Cal fan, I certainly recognize that he's done an excellent job.
I'm not sure what I'm looking for in a coach, to be honest. Some I would get excited about would be a Shaka Smart, Brad Stevens types...energetic types, exciting brand of basketball, etc. I'm not saying that I think Cal should be replaced by them. That would be silly. Just a couple of coaches that I like.
i don't really buy into the dread of what would happen if he leaves. Sure, the level of success over the past 7 years wouldn't be duplicated, most likely anyway. But there would be good, quality, successful coaches with interest, I have no doubt. And we would still be UK
Though I can't argue with the success, I don't really like how Cal has branded our program. The quick gateway to the NBA...the face of the OAD system, etc.
I realize that in the eyes of most that makes me a Louseyville fan, hater, troll, etc.

 

[cats2010]

blindly following =/= being open to some degree of criticism, but finding people who have an overall negative vibe towards Cal after this ridiculous run to be unwarranted in their attitudes.

There's a chasm the size of the Pacific Ocean between those two options.

Nobody ever said Cal is beyond criticism. Every coach has things you can criticize - Self and K and Roy and Miller etc have all had horribly embarrassing coaching failures in the very recent past, too.

Of course you can criticize Cal. He's made plenty of mistakes. But again, if you are a Cat fan and your overall feeling towards Cal's performance comes out as negative, then you aren't some wise objective truth-seeker on the top of the mountain who can just see more clearly than the rest of us sheep.

You're not calibrated to neutral in that case. If you're not happy with this current level of on-the-court success we've been maintaining, then you are miscalibrated as a fan and will be miserable your whole life.

Same with any of those other coaches I listed to a lesser degree (okay, I see why a UNC fan would be down on Roy - but that's for special reasons).

I am hardly miserable as a fan. Sucked to lose to Wisconsin this year but the sun came up the next day and I got along just fine. It is hardly life and death. When cal starts broadening his horizons as a coach I will give him less grief on here. He is the reason we have one championship in the last 6 years, for which I am grateful, but he is also the reason we have not won more than one.

 

[3rex]

The rest of my stuff is made up by a mr. merriam and webster. "Objective: based on facts rather than feelings or opinions."

If you remove your personal feelings/opinions about *any coach*, and just look at the factual list of accomplishments and evaluate it next to the accomplishments of *other coach*, then you fit that definition.

lol...it's a message board Einstein, not a college thesis. Get over yourself.

And when you say, "you would rather be less successful with another coach," then you made that up, get it Webster?

 

[Poetax]

There you go again accusing me of disliking Cal, actually hating this time, when I am just being overly critical. Cal demands the absolute best of his players but I guess we should just accept Cal as he is without reproach. Afterall you cant say anything bad about the guy without getting accused of hating him or wanting a different coach.

If he is going to recruit the best of the best and consistently field one of the best teams year in and year out he simply has to produce results in the form of championships. There are no second place trophies in history and yes it is very hard to Win championships and we have 8 in all these years. However all anyone wants to mention is the success we have had in the last 6 years. We all talk about titles and remind any fanbase who dare compare their program to UK we have 8 and they don't. Well in these last 6 years we have one title, Louisville has one and Duke and freaking UConn both have two. They are so hard to win yet UCONN has won two during our "dominant" time with two of the worse teams to ever win titles IMO both times beating Cal along the way.

You sound like a 10 yr old brat who can't get his way. Go take a bottle or a nap.

 

[wildcat8084]

Basically saying with davis and tyreke who they want to keep....that they wil make a run for cal.

Hoping they have no luck.

Agreed

 

[wildcat8084]

I don't want a coach no one else wants do you?

Well said blueboots

 

[brianpoe]

I love Cal as a recruiter but his coaching leaves a lot to be desired. Now that I have done as you asked. Please admit that if any other coach in the country other than Cal had put over 20 players in the NBA in the last 6 years and had one title and blew chances at three others that you would not be somewhat critical of that coach.

Thanks for the reply. I am critical of Cal's coaching at times as well. But there is no other coach available to UK that can surpass his achievements. No coach bats a 1000 at the final four, this has been beaten like a dead horse. Dean Smith, etc.


Some saying he should go, as in the other thread, is simply stupid. The guy did a lot with UMass, brought Memphis from ruins, and is on a historic run. There is no current replacement.

IMO he blew the WV game in 2010 (a coach can tell his team to stop shooting 3's when he has Wall and Bledsoe who can penetrate with Cousins and Patterson in the paint), and I think he blew the last 5 mins of the Wisconsin game (people can blame it on the Harrisons, ok but call a TO and fix them).

He is the best there is available, so you take the good with the bad, because the good is better than we have had in the last 20 years and no one out there who is available can match what he is doing.

 

[brianpoe]

Our success has been great & ive enjoyed it, yes. Though I'm not a Cal fan, I certainly recognize that he's done an excellent job.
I'm not sure what I'm looking for in a coach, to be honest. Some I would get excited about would be a Shaka Smart, Brad Stevens types...energetic types, exciting brand of basketball, etc. I'm not saying that I think Cal should be replaced by them. That would be silly. Just a couple of coaches that I like.
i don't really buy into the dread of what would happen if he leaves. Sure, the level of success over the past 7 years wouldn't be duplicated, most likely anyway. But there would be good, quality, successful coaches with interest, I have no doubt. And we would still be UK
Though I can't argue with the success, I don't really like how Cal has branded our program. The quick gateway to the NBA...the face of the OAD system, etc.
I realize that in the eyes of most that makes me a Louseyville fan, hater, troll, etc.

Thanks for the reply.

So you admit he has done an excellent job.

Brad Stevens is not leaving Boston.

Shaka has done nothing remotely close to Cal. Glad to see it would be silly to replace Cal with him.

The worry of dread if he were to leave is easily explained by the previous coach and his antics.

And you admit that his success would most likely not be duplicated.

You do not like how we are branded as the face of OAD, fair enough.


To recap:

Cal has:

Done an excellent job.
Replacing him would be silly.
Any replacement would not duplicate his success.
We are branded as the place to go if you are a star and want to leave early?

Yet you do not like Cal being our coach.

I have no idea why people think you are a UL fan, hater or troll...

 

[3rex]

Thanks for the reply.

So you admit he has done an excellent job.

Brad Stevens is not leaving Boston.

Shaka has done nothing remotely close to Cal. Glad to see it would be silly to replace Cal with him.

The worry of dread if he were to leave is easily explained by the previous coach and his antics.

And you admit that his success would most likely not be duplicated.

You do not like how we are branded as the face of OAD, fair enough.


To recap:

Cal has:

Done an excellent job.
Replacing him would be silly.
Any replacement would not duplicate his success.
We are branded as the place to go if you are a star and want to leave early?

Yet you do not like Cal being our coach.

I have no idea why people think you are a UL fan, hater or troll...

And you think our program is all about Cal & we would be forever doomed if he were ever to forsake us.

Fair enough...though I didn't realize you were Brad Stevens' agent.

and Cal himself had done nothing remotely close to what he has here before we hired him. I can only assume, then, that you would say he should've never been hired.

The fact is that Cal will not always be here. Unlike you, I don't dread that day & see it as gloom & doom.
I'm pretty sure its because my love is for UK...and UK will still be here long after Cal doesn't love us anymore.

 

[UK90]

Anyone who would go back & look at Coach Cal's prior NBA record & think to themselves, "this guy is worth 9 million dollars a year to coach my team..." can safely be described as an idiot.

If he can convince Anthony Davis to stay in New Orleans then he's well worth all of that and more.

That's what some folks seem to be missing. The reason Cal is now considered a hot NBA prospect is NOT necessarily because of his prior coaching record, but instead because of his inside influence with some the hottest free agents coming in the next couple years (John Wall, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins, etc.).

History has shown that franchises can go from losers to title contenders overnight by landing the right free agents, and thus teams will pay huge money for a coach who gives them a better chance of signing those guys.

 

[3rex]

If he can convince Anthony Davis to stay in New Orleans then he's well worth all of that and more.

That's what some folks seem to be missing. The reason Cal is now considered a hot NBA prospect is NOT necessarily because of his prior coaching record, but instead because of his inside influence with some the hottest free agents coming in the next couple years (John Wall, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins, etc.).

History has shown that franchises can go from losers to title contenders overnight by landing the right free agents, and thus teams will pay huge money for a coach who gives them a better chance of signing those guys.

And that is a pretty good point. Can't say I disagree with that view at all.

 

[brianpoe]

And you think our program is all about Cal & we would be forever doomed if he were ever to forsake us.

Fair enough...though I didn't realize you were Brad Stevens' agent.

and Cal himself had done nothing remotely close to what he has here before we hired him. I can only assume, then, that you would say he should've never been hired.

The fact is that Cal will not always be here. Unlike you, I don't dread that day & see it as gloom & doom.
I'm pretty sure its because my love is for UK...and UK will still be here long after Cal doesn't love us anymore.

I was busting your balls a little bit, I do appreciate the honest answer.

You are absolutely correct that UK itself plays a large role in the current success. But you cannot deny that today, more than ever the program is about the coach. Kids rarely long to play for a University, some do, but not the best of the best.

The coach is the reason players come to a school more than ever. The players are 90% of the reason a school wins games. Jimmy's & Joes vs X's & O's

I think if Cal were to leave today, the fans would be very disappointed with the results for a long time. I just do not see a great recruiter as well as a very good coach (not great) available right now.

I'm far from a Cal worshiper, but I would hate to see him leave, those are big shoes to fill and I would guess not as many big time coaches would want that challenge, not with Duke, Louisville, Syracuse and UNC coming available in the future. And yes I believe we present more of a challenge regarding expectations than those others.

 

[brianpoe]

I am hardly miserable as a fan. Sucked to lose to Wisconsin this year but the sun came up the next day and I got along just fine. It is hardly life and death. When cal starts broadening his horizons as a coach I will give him less grief on here. He is the reason we have one championship in the last 6 years, for which I am grateful, but he is also the reason we have not won more than one.

He is also the reason we have been to all of those final fours...yes? You prefer to not get there and have a chance to win it or, in your words, blow it?

2nd place is just the #1 loser right?

 

[UKvisitor]

If he can convince Anthony Davis to stay in New Orleans then he's well worth all of that and more.

That's what some folks seem to be missing. The reason Cal is now considered a hot NBA prospect is NOT necessarily because of his prior coaching record, but instead because of his inside influence with some the hottest free agents coming in the next couple years (John Wall, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins, etc.).

History has shown that franchises can go from losers to title contenders overnight by landing the right free agents, and thus teams will pay huge money for a coach who gives them a better chance of signing those guys.

Nice perception. Opens new thoughts on why Cal would want to go to the NBA.

With complete control of players acquisitions, Cal could build a team with NBA seasoned players familiar with him.

 

[brianpoe]

Nice perception. Opens new thoughts on why Cal would want to go to the NBA.

With complete control of players acquisitions, Cal could build a team with NBA seasoned players familiar with him.

Problem with that is there is a salary cap in the NBA and many of Cal's guys are max players. UK effect...

 

[UKvisitor]

Problem with that is there is a salary cap in the NBA and many of Cal's guys are max players. UK effect...

NBA players have taken less to play for a certain team or coach before.

 

[cats2010]

He is also the reason we have been to all of those final fours...yes? You prefer to not get there and have a chance to win it or, in your words, blow it?

2nd place is just the #1 loser right?

I do not want cal replaced period. Would much rather be where we are than where we were during tubby and BG days. I simply want cal to step up his coaching and finish off a championship when it's there for the taking. I don't expect us to win it every year or every time we make the final four but I stated earlier this year if we did not win due to a coaching blunder it would be hard to take. That's exactly what happened as you alluded to yourself in how he managed or didn't manage the last 5 minutes.

You alluded to WV 2010 which I wholeheartedly agree. In addition to not reeling in the 3's the bigger issue in that game was letting WV dictate the tempo but that is who Cal is. He never dictates tempo. WV was a poor ball handling team with a PG with a broken hand. Game plan screams for heavy ball pressure and force WV to push the ball, instead we allowed them to walk the ball up the floor all night long and easily get in their sets.

Last years title game. Blueprint in how to beat uconn could not have been drawn out more clearly by the dirty birds in how to beat them. Not us though, we will play man until forced to switch to something different after digging a hole in the first half. Cal was praised at HT for the switch, I called for it before the first TV timeout long before we got down 16. We played well enough on D in the second while playing M2M but the game was lost in the first half by allowing his team to get down so big to begin with.

I don't expect perfection but the two examples above are not rocket science coaching decisions and frankly inexcusable at this level of basketball.

Peace!!!!

 

[brianpoe]

I do not want cal replaced period. Would much rather be where we are than where we were during tubby and BG days. I simply want cal to step up his coaching and finish off a championship when it's there for the taking. I don't expect us to win it every year or every time we make the final four but I stated earlier this year if we did not win due to a coaching blunder it would be hard to take. That's exactly what happened as you alluded to yourself in how he managed or didn't manage the last 5 minutes.

You alluded to WV 2010 which I wholeheartedly agree. In addition to not reeling in the 3's the bigger issue in that game was letting WV dictate the tempo but that is who Cal is. He never dictates tempo. WV was a poor ball handling team with a PG with a broken hand. Game plan screams for heavy ball pressure and force WV to push the ball, instead we allowed them to walk the ball up the floor all night long and easily get in their sets.

Last years title game. Blueprint in how to beat uconn could not have been drawn out more clearly by the dirty birds in how to beat them. Not us though, we will play man until forced to switch to something different after digging a hole in the first half. Cal was praised at HT for the switch, I called for it before the first TV timeout long before we got down 16. We played well enough on D in the second while playing M2M but the game was lost in the first half by allowing his team to get down so big to begin with.

I don't expect perfection but the two examples above are not rocket science coaching decisions and frankly inexcusable at this level of basketball.

Peace!!!!

Brother, he seemed to slow down the Memphis/KU game, he slowed down our title game and KU was making a comeback, look at Wisconsin.

I think Cal is Cal, he is not the greatest strategist. He is the best recruiter and marketer, the kids love him, and he is a very good coach. Not the greatest. But extremely solid. I think we are stuck with what we have and that is a top 1% guy.

 

[3rex]

I was busting your balls a little bit, I do appreciate the honest answer.

You are absolutely correct that UK itself plays a large role in the current success. But you cannot deny that today, more than ever the program is about the coach. Kids rarely long to play for a University, some do, but not the best of the best.

The coach is the reason players come to a school more than ever. The players are 90% of the reason a school wins games. Jimmy's & Joes vs X's & O's

I think if Cal were to leave today, the fans would be very disappointed with the results for a long time. I just do not see a great recruiter as well as a very good coach (not great) available right now.

I'm far from a Cal worshiper, but I would hate to see him leave, those are big shoes to fill and I would guess not as many big time coaches would want that challenge, not with Duke, Louisville, Syracuse and UNC coming available in the future. And yes I believe we present more of a challenge regarding expectations than those others.

I certainly understand where you're coming from. I guess for me, I am happy that guys get to the NBA, and even that they can do it from Kentucky. I just have never been able to embrace our being the face of coming & staying on campus only about 9 or 10 months before doing so.
I realize it's a part of today's game. Just honestly don't like our being branded as THE place to do it.
But it is what it is. At some point I guess I will have to learn to like it or give up griping about it.

 

[Blueaz]

I certainly understand where you're coming from. I guess for me, I am happy that guys get to the NBA, and even that they can do it from Kentucky. I just have never been able to embrace our being the face of coming & staying on campus only about 9 or 10 months before doing so.
I realize it's a part of today's game. Just honestly don't like our being branded as THE place to do it.
But it is what it is. At some point I guess I will have to learn to like it or give up griping about it.

3rex, IMO your last couple of posts in this thread were/are your best ever. No condensing tone or passive aggressive attacks. We should be able to agree that you don't have to be in love with Cal to love UK basketball. and by the same, to defend Cal doesn't mean you want to dry clean his balls with your mouth. I think we can all sing "my old Kentucky home" and shed a tear.

 

[Jkwo]

I am hardly miserable as a fan. Sucked to lose to Wisconsin this year but the sun came up the next day and I got along just fine. It is hardly life and death. When cal starts broadening his horizons as a coach I will give him less grief on here. He is the reason we have one championship in the last 6 years, for which I am grateful, but he is also the reason we have not won more than one.

Again, same can be said of Self, K, Donovan, Miller etc in the time Cal has been here. They have all destroyed on the recruiting trail and have lost to vastly inferior teams and missed out on titles/Final Fours (Miller's losses were more legitimate on average, but he hasn't been to the F4 once.)

At least Cal's tourney "chokes" that you guys allude to have always been deep in the tournament, and they've either come against a better seed, or to another HOF coach with a similar seed. That's way less embarrassing than all of those other guys' worst tourney losses in the last 6 years.

The notion that Cal makes mistakes is not what people take umbrage to.
Of course he does.

It's the implication that he's on this island among elite coaches in terms of his poor Xs and Os, when there are equally or even more embarrassing events we could discuss for almost all the other elite of the elite coaches in his time here.

 

[Jkwo]

lol...it's a message board Einstein, not a college thesis. Get over yourself.

And when you say, "you would rather be less successful with another coach," then you made that up, get it Webster?

If understanding the definition of the word "objective" is a lofty academic accomplishment in your mind, that says a lot more about you than about me.

And you're being disingenuous again - you don't deny it. You just say that I made it up. You're trying to get around it in a slippery way.


But go ahead. I invite you to shut me up. Imagine a 15 year period where Cal takes 3 titles and 10 F4s with his OADs.

Tell me that you wouldn't prefer Brad Stevens or Shaka Smart or (insert example of coach you like personally), even if it meant that we only had, say, 2 titles and 8 F4s in that span, but going back to the old four year development model.

If you can deny that, then you were right to tell me that I'm making stuff up.

But if you can't, then I was accurate before, so like I said, own it. Just admit that your incessant critiques of Cal are about your personal taste towards him - stop trying to hiding behind the notion that they're about achieving the greatest success for the program. You'd take a little bit of a success hit for a coach that you liked more. It's okay, man. Not everybody can be logical all the time.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I take the same issue with criticism of Cal's coaching as I do with criticism of our roster in a given year. It's never perfect, but we don't have to beat perfection to achieve our goals, we just have to be better than everyone else.