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3rd place in the east is the ceiling for Stoops...we've been in the shitter for so many years decades, runner up to the runner up and a banjo bowl appearance seems successful...those waiting for a title are sitting in the proverbial pumpkin patch...

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You all are such ass hats. Mark Stoops has been to 7 straight bowls at Kentucky. He’s beaten Florida 3 straight years. He’s won 4 out of 5 against MIzzou and South Carolina. He’s beaten Louisville 4 times in a row. This season looks like it’s going to be disappointing but there’s still time to make it great. We just played 3 or our toughest 4 games in a row. Just relax.
 
You all are such ass hats. Mark Stoops has been to 7 straight bowls at Kentucky. He’s beaten Florida 3 straight years. He’s won 4 out of 5 against MIzzou and South Carolina. He’s beaten Louisville 4 times in a row. This season looks like it’s going to be disappointing but there’s still time to make it great. We just played 3 or our toughest 4 games in a row. Just relax.
Yeah relaxing loosens up the sphincter .. it helps , good advice
 
1) I didn't say they had better talent. Said they were a way better team than some posters here give them credit for.

Also you might want to double check the talent remark. St Louis is chock full of talent. Iirc they are one of only two teams in the east with two 5* committed. They have at least one 5* in lb3 (that we shut down). How many do we have?

2) by the sc remark, I can tell you are a very recent fan. Beating them at all used to be out of reach. Then we started closing the gap. Then dominating. The only times they beat us the last several years were two times we played backup QBs (the other loss the backup literally couldn't throw the ball due to the injury).

I agree we should've won both the games. However we are nowhere near the caliber of program above losing to those two programs. They are going to beat us on occasion. That's just the nature of the beast.
1) I also said they are better coached so it's not just a talent issue. And St Louis might be full of talent but we have outrecruited them for 10 years so they haven't harvested all of that St Louis talent although they may now with the new NIL law in Missouri.

2) I'm not a recent fan at all. I have been die hard since the mid-eighties. And again, I don't give Stoops a pass just because he has to play a backup QB. Many teams have to play their backups and don't miss a beat. Ours come in and it's an epic struggle to complete a forward pass. Part of it is no good QB's have wanted to play in this system other than transfers who were guaranteed to start in the SEC and the other part is Stoops never has the backup ready to go. He never gets them live reps if they play at all. They just hand the ball off. Very stupid philosophy to not get your backup some throwing reps in game.
 
You all are such ass hats. Mark Stoops has been to 7 straight bowls at Kentucky. He’s beaten Florida 3 straight years. He’s won 4 out of 5 against MIzzou and South Carolina. He’s beaten Louisville 4 times in a row. This season looks like it’s going to be disappointing but there’s still time to make it great. We just played 3 or our toughest 4 games in a row. Just relax.
"Relax" = "shut up," amirite?
 
Finally get a good game from Leary and the WR and the defense once again gives up 9000 yards and 100 points. It’s sickening. We can’t even tackle anyone.
Completely, completely agree. I was impressed with Leary (I estimated that he probably made more completions in this game than all season, in total). Ray didn't get much done, but Tennessee keyed on him. My major disgust is the very thing that Coach Stoops is supposed be proficient in: Defense. We had none.
 
We have played/lost to 3 of the top 5 offenses in SEC. Our defense is horrible but should be able to make Miss St punt a couple times
They are towards the bottom in offense
If we are 7-4 heading to Louisville late November I will be ok with that
Hopping Coen goes more uptempo on offense and White decides to be more aggressive or wreck less on defense
 
We have played/lost to 3 of the top 5 offenses in SEC. Our defense is horrible but should be able to make Miss St punt a couple times
They are towards the bottom in offense
If we are 7-4 heading to Louisville late November I will be ok with that
Hopping Coen goes more uptempo on offense and White decides to be more aggressive or wreck less on defense
We should have beaten Missouri and with any defense we win last night. It sucks. If we get to 8-4 I’d be happy but it’s gonna be tough.
 
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My complaint is we are regressing. I'd be perectly fine with 8-4, 9-3. We're not going to be Bama, UGA too offten. UT and UF should be our direct competition most years. Then of course the occasional thumping from Ole Miss or maybe even Miss St when they are good.

We should not be losing to Mizzou. We should not be losing to UT every single time. We shouldn't give 100+ points in three weeks no matter what.

UK isn't historically great but there's too much money being put into the program to perform poorly. Sorry, not sorry.

And yes, I suffered through the early 90s. Guess I'm crazy to expect to be competitive.
Programs ebb and flow. No program improves every single year from the prior year. Look at any coach that has coached for years and his record will have years where they aren’t as good and years where they are better.
 
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I listened to it passively in the background while watching whatever PAC game was on, don't even remember who.

Yeah Matt was making alot of excuses for Stoops. It just feels like we're at a crossroads with this staff. It's fair to say what the hell do you people expect/want based on where UK has been. Stoops has taken us to new heights and raised our expectations.

At the same time, the same game management mistakes are being made 11 yrs in. We still look totally unprepared coming out of a bye week. And it just feels like things have reached their peak. Either you're OK with that, or you want to gamble on someone new to take us to that next level.

I'm not sure where I stand. Stoops used to be able to do no wrong with me. But he's gotta change with the times. This overly conservative vision he has has got to change.
 
True.
We are not out recruiting or outspending most SEC teams.
Most all have good coaches and passionate fanbases.
At the top half SEC programs, losing to UK more than a fluke game every once in a while will get you on the hot seat.
Every fanbase in the SEC with the exception of Vandy would look at the UK game as a game they should win and are pissed when they don't.
Hot seat? Lose to UK twice and you get fired.
 
And Stoops has cost a lot of coaches their jobs. I have zero interest in a coaching change at all. Stoops is my guy.
Hes done a really good job here . He is to be complemented on it .. But his talent for draining every lay ounce of toughness and desire to make that extra 5-6 played a game that must be made to win SEC wars seems to be evaporating . Where the 3 star that plays like a 5 ?? Where the big recruit / land that actually takes us high as program ? We are floundering , the mental laser sharpness is just not there .. Thats on Coach Stoops .
 
One of the callers last night, a woman, asked a pertinent question. Why does it take this staff 8 games in to the season to figure out what Leary's strengths as a QB are and to use him that way? Seems like we ran a more tempo offense last night and both Leary and the WRs looked night and day better, particularly in a game where they had to as everyone and their brother knew UT was locked in on shutting down our run game.
 
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3rd place in the east is the ceiling for Stoops...we've been in the shitter for so many years decades, runner up to the runner up and a banjo bowl appearance seems successful...those waiting for a title are sitting in the proverbial pumpkin patch...

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He’s finished 2nd in the East 3 times already, so 2nd is probably his ceiling.
 
One of the callers last night, a woman, asked a pertinent question. Why does it take this staff 8 games in to the season to figure out what Leary's strengths as a QB are and to use him that way? Seems like we ran a more tempo offense last night and both Leary and the WRs looked night and day better, particularly in a game where they had to as everyone and their brother knew UT was locked in on shutting down our run game.
Is it possible we’re seeing a QB in his first year with program who is finally getting comfortable in the offense and getting in sync with his best receivers? I suspect it may be and highlights why it’s important we start developing QB’s within our program and not merely relying on the portal.
 
Completely, completely agree. I was impressed with Leary (I estimated that he probably made more completions in this game than all season, in total). Ray didn't get much done, but Tennessee keyed on him. My major disgust is the very thing that Coach Stoops is supposed be proficient in: Defense. We had none.
What I can’t understand is everybody knows TN plays fast and UK seemingly has no answer for it year after year. I understand UK can’t sub but TN can’t either, are their lineman really in that much better shape than our Dlineman?
 
He’s finished 2nd in the East 3 times already, so 2nd is probably his ceiling.
Fair point, but only twice has CMS managed to lose less than 4 conference games in any given season...

No team ever fielded will compete for a title with 3, 4 and 5 losses in conference...

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1) I also said they are better coached so it's not just a talent issue. And St Louis might be full of talent but we have outrecruited them for 10 years so they haven't harvested all of that St Louis talent although they may now with the new NIL law in Missouri.

2) I'm not a recent fan at all. I have been die hard since the mid-eighties. And again, I don't give Stoops a pass just because he has to play a backup QB. Many teams have to play their backups and don't miss a beat. Ours come in and it's an epic struggle to complete a forward pass. Part of it is no good QB's have wanted to play in this system other than transfers who were guaranteed to start in the SEC and the other part is Stoops never has the backup ready to go. He never gets them live reps if they play at all. They just hand the ball off. Very stupid philosophy to not get your backup some throwing reps in game.

1) then how have we beaten them with drink? I'm pretty sure your recruiting statement is not correct.

2) unless you're an extremely elite team, you're going to lose alot when you're starter goes out. Everyone knew if Will went down, we were in big trouble. Same thing if Leary goes down but at least the backups have some snaps now. Backup QBs will always be a struggle in the portal era
 
Absolutely not. $900,000 is too much for 7-5 but all coaches are over paid
This. MJ was saying once the new tv deals kick in Stoops pay might even be the norm for other coaches. Good grief if that’s true. That would mean nearly 90 million dollars being spent on coaching alone across the SEC. And some of that to SUCK. How does that math make ANY sense. I’m all for getting yours and getting paid, but there’s gotta be a proverbial one at some point. Football coaches making multimillion sand we can’t fin enough teachers or bus drivers for our public schools. That’s not a recipe for success.
 
I'm not sure where I stand. Stoops used to be able to do no wrong with me. But he's gotta change with the times. This overly conservative vision he has has got to change.
Change Stoops for Cal and the same holds true on the bball side. Wild how similar things are.
 
I’m disappointed we lost as much as the next guy but since when are judged based on weekly results? I’m sorry but if we lose, fire the coach. If we lose, fire Barnhart. If this was the case with all of us, we’d be looking for new jobs each month. Im
Old enough to remember 2-9 seasons were the norm, we were thrilled to have a 3 star recruit. We aren’t gonna compete with Georgia and Alabama and Tennessee year in and year out.
Lol, we don't compete with UGA or Bama at all......
 
I will give credit to clawing back in that game. But we should've won it. That UT team is NOT that good. They have a decent offense. But that's about it. You HAVE to win your home games. Just have too.
Actually that UT team has a pretty good defense
 
The harsh reality is on average, UK Football will never be better than a 7-5/8-4 record.

Folks just need to deal with this. We play in the hardest football conference in the country by far. The league is getting deeper and will present more challenges.

Regarding Stoops salary, he is making this much to get that kind of record, 7-5/8-4, consistent bowl games and more often that not, bowl wins. Replace him with a coach who makes $5M less....if that coach achieves similar record he will either get a raise or move elsewhere. If he doesn't, he will be fired or not renewed.

This really isn't that complicated.
 
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1) then how have we beaten them with drink? I'm pretty sure your recruiting statement is not correct.

2) unless you're an extremely elite team, you're going to lose alot when you're starter goes out. Everyone knew if Will went down, we were in big trouble. Same thing if Leary goes down but at least the backups have some snaps now. Backup QBs will always be a struggle in the portal era
Since 2013 we have outrecruited Mizzou all but two years and one year we were tied. Most of the years we were roughly 10 spots ahead of them and some years were closer to 20.
 
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The harsh reality is on average, UK Football will never be better than a 7-5/8-4 record.

Folks just need to deal with this. We play in the hardest football conference in the country by far. The league is getting deeper and will present more challenges.

Regarding Stoops salary, he is making this much to get that kind of record, 7-5/8-4, consistent bowl games and more often that not, bowl wins. Replace him with a coach who makes $5M less....if that coach achieves similar record he will either get a raise or move elsewhere. If he doesn't, he will be fired or not renewed.

This really isn't that complicated.
This is the kind of view that guarantees we won't ever be an occasional contender. Just telling people to deal with it guarantees our position in football. The only school in the SEC that should just deal with it is Vandy. Our expectations have been raised.

We don't want our team paying top 10 money for top 40 results. Unfortunately, that's what we're stuck with because of this insane contract. Only chance Stoops leaves is if Iowa wants him because no one better will take these results and we don't fire coaches for 6 win seasons. We just have to hope he finally gets some sense and switches completely to modern football. If not we are screwed.

I'd still rather try a different coach if he's not going to change. If for some reason he did leave, we are showing we will pay ridiculous money for a coach and shouldn't have any trouble attracting another who can at least win 6 or 7 games every year. Maybe even make us a contender once every 5 or 6 years. That doesn't necessarily mean a championship.

Having a year with less than 3 SEC losses would be a good start. If Stoops could go a year without having some bad losses like the UT ones he keeps blowing, he could have had some 2 loss years. He just inevitably always has a stinker or two every year that he loses. That gives us no shot at moving up.

Missouri had less than 3 conference losses in their first 2 years here. Their second year they lost to Georgia and still played for the SEC Title. That shows even if you can't beat Georgia you still potentially have a shot at it. I know it's not likely now with how good Georgia is, but having 1 conference loss and no SEC Title game still gives you a shot at a playoff spot.

We need to keep our expectations higher and not be happy with just going to a bowl game or things will for sure never change.
 
You all are such ass hats. Mark Stoops has been to 7 straight bowls at Kentucky. He’s beaten Florida 3 straight years. He’s won 4 out of 5 against MIzzou and South Carolina. He’s beaten Louisville 4 times in a row. This season looks like it’s going to be disappointing but there’s still time to make it great. We just played 3 or our toughest 4 games in a row. Just relaxe .
5-7 should not get you to a bowl where you get embarrassed. "We just lost 3 out of our four toughest games."
 
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T Wallace’s post game comments are extremely alarming. If I heard correctly he said “We play in the SEC, losing three in a row, that’s gonna happen”. “We just gotta bounce back”

That’s disturbing. Players comments typically reflect coaches attitudes / comments.
 
T Wallace’s post game comments are extremely alarming. If I heard correctly he said “We play in the SEC, losing three in a row, that’s gonna happen”. “We just gotta bounce back”

That’s disturbing. Players comments typically reflect coaches attitudes / comments.
Yeah I listened live and thought " man I dont hear a bunch of disappointment in this guys voice". kinda like , ah just drop a game and move on ... very nonchalant . Sad . It means a ton to me .
 
I’m disappointed we lost as much as the next guy but since when are judged based on weekly results? I’m sorry but if we lose, fire the coach. If we lose, fire Barnhart. If this was the case with all of us, we’d be looking for new jobs each month. Im
Old enough to remember 2-9 seasons were the norm, we were thrilled to have a 3 star recruit. We aren’t gonna compete with Georgia and Alabama and Tennessee year in and year out.
Some people are emotionally fragile and have trouble processing with nuance. They are typically the quickest and loudest to bark. They are a distinct, albeit loud, minority.
 
What I can’t understand is everybody knows TN plays fast and UK seemingly has no answer for it year after year. I understand UK can’t sub but TN can’t either, are their lineman really in that much better shape than our Dlineman?
They are probably better conditioned to play at that speed because that is the speed they go at in off-season practices as well as in season practices. Doesn't mean they are necessarily better conditioned athletes, just that they practice at that speed year-round.
 
This is the kind of view that guarantees we won't ever be an occasional contender. Just telling people to deal with it guarantees our position in football. The only school in the SEC that should just deal with it is Vandy. Our expectations have been raised.

We don't want our team paying top 10 money for top 40 results. Unfortunately, that's what we're stuck with because of this insane contract. Only chance Stoops leaves is if Iowa wants him because no one better will take these results and we don't fire coaches for 6 win seasons. We just have to hope he finally gets some sense and switches completely to modern football. If not we are screwed.

I'd still rather try a different coach if he's not going to change. If for some reason he did leave, we are showing we will pay ridiculous money for a coach and shouldn't have any trouble attracting another who can at least win 6 or 7 games every year. Maybe even make us a contender once every 5 or 6 years. That doesn't necessarily mean a championship.

Having a year with less than 3 SEC losses would be a good start. If Stoops could go a year without having some bad losses like the UT ones he keeps blowing, he could have had some 2 loss years. He just inevitably always has a stinker or two every year that he loses. That gives us no shot at moving up.

Missouri had less than 3 conference losses in their first 2 years here. Their second year they lost to Georgia and still played for the SEC Title. That shows even if you can't beat Georgia you still potentially have a shot at it. I know it's not likely now with how good Georgia is, but having 1 conference loss and no SEC Title game still gives you a shot at a playoff spot.

We need to keep our expectations higher and not be happy with just going to a bowl game or things will for sure never change.
Awesome post!!! I agree 1000%!!!

This needs to be copied and pasted to the top of the board for all of the fans that are somehow content with NEVER having at least a shot at competing in the SEC.

If our coaching staff and team doesn’t feel this way, we need a NEW HC!!!
 
This is the kind of view that guarantees we won't ever be an occasional contender. Just telling people to deal with it guarantees our position in football. The only school in the SEC that should just deal with it is Vandy. Our expectations have been raised.

We don't want our team paying top 10 money for top 40 results. Unfortunately, that's what we're stuck with because of this insane contract. Only chance Stoops leaves is if Iowa wants him because no one better will take these results and we don't fire coaches for 6 win seasons. We just have to hope he finally gets some sense and switches completely to modern football. If not we are screwed.

I'd still rather try a different coach if he's not going to change. If for some reason he did leave, we are showing we will pay ridiculous money for a coach and shouldn't have any trouble attracting another who can at least win 6 or 7 games every year. Maybe even make us a contender once every 5 or 6 years. That doesn't necessarily mean a championship.

Having a year with less than 3 SEC losses would be a good start. If Stoops could go a year without having some bad losses like the UT ones he keeps blowing, he could have had some 2 loss years. He just inevitably always has a stinker or two every year that he loses. That gives us no shot at moving up.

Missouri had less than 3 conference losses in their first 2 years here. Their second year they lost to Georgia and still played for the SEC Title. That shows even if you can't beat Georgia you still potentially have a shot at it. I know it's not likely now with how good Georgia is, but having 1 conference loss and no SEC Title game still gives you a shot at a playoff spot.

We need to keep our expectations higher and not be happy with just going to a bowl game or things will for sure never change.

I said 7-5 or 8-4 on average. My line of thinking isn't going to guarantee anything. I've been a UK fan for 30 years. The two best seasons in my life were Stoops teams.

That said, his average after first few years of turning things around is roughly 7.5-5.5 and that is with two 10 win seasons.

If anyone truly ever thinks we are going to be a 9-10 win team consistently with anyone coaching, they are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I am all for crazy high standards....just don't think they will ever be realistic for UK football. There is a reason we pull some of the talent we do and it is Stoops/Marrow pipeline, without that things will dip and in my view that is 100% what UK is paying Stoops for; to not let it dip. You have to remember coaching salaries are skyrocketing.

We are a .502 program all time. Stoops is .534 while at UK and .610 since 2016. He is far exceeding UK standards. To expect him or anyone to turn us into a consistent 9-10 win team is insane.

Also, btw I said 7-5 or 8-4 on average for a reason. Those are potential 8 or 9 win years with a bowl victory. You are talking anywhere from a .540 to .690 winning percentage. All better than UK's 108 year average.
 
According to Matt, UK will NEVER win the SEC.

So, WHY should our coach make a salary that is comparable to other team's coaches that DO have a shot at winning one???!!!!

Why should our fans go to the games and cheer our _sses off if we NEVER have a shot at winning at the highest level????

Why should Coach Stoops ask the fans to contribute MORE to NIL if we are NEVER going to win at a higher level?????

Why should our fans pay A LOT of money for tickets, spend the day tailgating and pay for and wear UK gear if the Citrus Bowl is the standard?????( I can remember when Steve Spurrier used to make fun of UT by saying that "You can't spell CITRUS without U-T")

Why should fans listen to KSR or the Postgame show if UK isn't going to EVER win at a higher level???

Coach Stoops has WAAAYYYY MORE support for UK Football than ANY other former coach. He makes WAAAAYYYY MORE than ANY other former coach. The SEC is paying UK WAAAYYYY more money through TV deals than ANY other former coach had access to. So of course he is going to have a MUCH BETTER opportunity to be the MOST successful!!!

There is NO DOUBT that some OTHER coach out there could do the same or even MORE!!!
I'll use a simplistic analogy: You have two options for a job. One is for an established company, in which you're more or less a caretaker. You have to work, but you don't have to kill yourself figuring out how to make it work and you have everything you need to succeed already in place. They offer you $100k/yr. The next option is a bit of a start up. They've been around for a while, but have never been very successful and the territory for the product is smaller and less economically vibrant. They offer you $100k as well. Which one are you accepting? You're not a moron, so it isn't the second one, but you do counter and say look, I'm interested in your position, but it's a small, unproductive and under developed territory, but it has potential. I'll have to work much harder than if I took a similar position, but I'm confident I could make it work. If you pay me $150k, I'll take the position. UK football, in case it wasn't clear, is the underdeveloped territory and Mitch paid more because that's how free market capitalism works.
 
I'll use a simplistic analogy: You have two options for a job. One is for an established company, in which you're more or less a caretaker. You have to work, but you don't have to kill yourself figuring out how to make it work and you have everything you need to succeed already in place. They offer you $100k/yr. The next option is a bit of a start up. They've been around for a while, but have never been very successful and the territory for the product is smaller and less economically vibrant. They offer you $100k as well. Which one are you accepting? You're not a moron, so it isn't the second one, but you do counter and say look, I'm interested in your position, but it's a small, unproductive and under developed territory, but it has potential. I'll have to work much harder than if I took a similar position, but I'm confident I could make it work. If you pay me $150k, I'll take the position. UK football, in case it wasn't clear, is the underdeveloped territory and Mitch paid more because that's how free market capitalism works.
But in your same scenario the smaller company has MUCH smaller expectations for what YOU need to accomplish to be considered successful. At the bigger already established company if you don’t perform at the HIGHEST level in a short amount of time, you are FIRED.

That is how “capitalism works”.

Now which company is best to work for?
 
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