POLL: Is there a God ??
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This is categorically false.
Whether you believe in God or not, it's quite sad simply from an historical standpoint that you've been lead to believe this.
WildcatfaninOhio
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Dude, come on. That buybull story is true. It says so right there in the buybull.
You mean other than being recorded in the most widely distributed and most widely translated book in human history?
Do you understand how many people and places the Bible references that were also dismissed until being confirmed by archaeology?
Hey cole, evidently got banned in the other thread. Funny how all the lefties were saying "oh, i never report any of you..."
Pfft.
Shut up, dumbass.
You aren't smart enough or well read enough to be involved in this conversation.
The Bible says a man named Jonah lived in a whale for three days. The Bible says the Red Sea was parted by a man named Moses. Neither are possible.
Being a widely distributed book doesn't mean anything. Being a widely translated book doesn't mean anything.
The Bible referenced some places that exist, neat. There is zero evidence that Jews were freed from Egypt during the passover myth.
WildcatfaninOhio
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I was hoping it would remain an adult conversation. But you’ve made it something else when you resorted to name-calling.
Please feel free to attack what I said instead of attacking me.
Aside from the fine tuning of Earth and the universe as a whole...archeological findings over the years that have been proven to be consistent biblically by archeologists is the second main reason why I find the Bible's creation story to be most reasonable.
Two recent findings (Pools of Siloam and Bethsaida) are super cool to read about. In particular, the Pool of Siloam was discovered in 2005 and was quickly identified with the pool mentioned in the book of John where Jesus healed the blind man.
Even cooler is the discovery of the Bethsaida Pool in the late 19th century. This pool is talked about as well in the book of John where Jesus heals the paralytic. It took archeologists over 100 years to accurately identify the site after its initial discovery in the late 19th century. When Jesus heals the paralytic in the Gospel of John, the Bethesda Pool is described as having five porticoes—a puzzling feature suggesting an unusual five-sided pool, which most scholars dismissed as an unhistorical literary creation. Yet when this site was excavated, it revealed a rectangular pool with two basins separated by a wall—thus a five-sided pool—and each side had a portico.
Pretty cool stuff.
WildcatfaninOhio
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Amazing that stories written by people residing in the Middle East would reference locations from the Middle East. What are the odds?
God coulda … this is not evidence for or against God’s existence, but rather is only evidence of your own bias and self-determined morality.
Again, you misuse the word “evidence.” Ancient documentation of an event IS, by definition, evidence. You may not respect it or believe there is supporting evidence, but it is evidence.
Haha, I don't know, I am not an oddsmaker. In my mind, it lends credibility to the stories in the Bible, as all these places that are described in detail have been proven to exist. Do any other "religious texts" do this in detail like the Bible does (I have no idea if they do or don't)?
That isn't evidence - it's a story with no backing.
What if I wrote down that I saw Bigfoot, documented the sightings, all of that. 2,000 years later someone finds my writings and declares that through my ancient documentation that Bigfoot is real.
Doesn't work like that.
Not an apple. Not a whale. Moses did not part any sea. Moses stretched out his hand and God caused the waters to divide.
Before the Big Bang theory, people like you argued that the universe and time could not be instantaneously created. Arguing God cannot part waters is not an argument against the existence of God.
Who here thinks adults write “buy-bull” repeatedly when referring to religious scripture?
Not likely any adult would think so.
And, Jesus dying a gruesome death is recorded outside of the Bible. There are not many learned people who don’t believe Jesus actually lived.
Wow. It is evidence and is a head shaker you do not realize that. Just like we believe Alexander the Great lived, even though it was hundreds of years later before he was put into a writing. Those writings ARE evidence of his existence.
Says the guy touting a fictional book with make believe stories and supernatural happenings as some sort of history book.
Calling another person who disagrees with you a dumbass doesn’t seem too godly to me.
Yep, that's another piece of evidence that I always like to point to. There are many non biblical recordings of Jesus' death and resurrection.
Not to mention, in the early church immediately after Jesus ascended to heaven, the Roman government was notorious for crucifying early Christians, which is documented as well.
There is more documented evidence that Jesus lived than George Washington.
Wondering why i am banned from the other thread?
It happened to me about a week ago for a week. Without an explanation from a moderator it is impossible to know what is the foundation for the ban. And, impossible to know if you will break that rule again. You may want to ask @Deeeefense, as he and Jeff Drummond are the only moderators I know by screen name.
the reality that a person can be silenced so easily for making some dude pee their panties is disturbing. With no explanation, appeal process or recourse.
Seems kinda unAmerican. Thx for listening.
WildcatfaninOhio
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I saw a movie about it with the rifle dude parting the ocean and it seemed pretty legit as a documentary.
WildcatfaninOhio
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Back in Jr HS I read Homer’s “The Iliad”. Lots of mentions of actual places. The Aegean Sea, Mt Olympus. It’s an old book. Likely written around 700BC.
So, yeah, it’s really cool to know that since those places actually exist, just like talked about in the story, that the epic battle between Hector and Achilles actually happened. Awesome!
So, yeah, it’s really cool to know that since those places actually exist, just like talked about in the story, that the epic battle between Hector and Achilles actually happened. Awesome!
Nearly everyone struggles with this question at some point in time. I would offer this as a (poorly worded-trying to keep it brief) potential way to wrap your head around the issue:
Consider the sheet music for Beethoven's 5th. Now, imagine ONE note of that entire sheet. A quick duckduckgo search shows that is 12 pages long. Would you expect that one note to be able to fully grasp and describe the entire symphony or how it fits in within the entire symphony? Or better yet, grasp and describe the entirety of ALL music ever created? Considering one HUMAN individual is completely insignificant compared to the universe, why would you ever expect one individual HUMAN to understand it all? Seems kinda like chasing the wind to me.
At any rate, hope this helps.
Another thought ... if God created the universe (He did), could He have saved Christ from dying on the cross? Of course, He could have. So why did he let Christ (Himself) suffer and die that cruel way?
Do you have a mature, reasoned explanation of how we got here? (Did the universe begin? Or is it "eternal"? What caused the "big bang"? Will it happen again? Why? or Why not?)
"The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be." - Carl Sagan
We know the universe is continuously expanding from an initial Big Bang. The universe expands until it blows up, then it begins all over again. Perpetually mixing and stirring the same basic ingredients that always have been and always will be. There hasn't been one Big Bang. There have been an eternity of them. - me
Why are humans the only lifeforms with an imagination?
Better question: does truth exist?
I am talking about man made structures, referenced in the Bible, that date back to Jesus' ministry on Earth, that have since been dug up/found by archeologists, who have verified that the structure is the same as what is mentioned in detail biblically...not natural landmarks such as a certain sea or mountain.
I respectfully disagree.
Here is a proof that God exists (shortened for a chat board): 1. Open your eyes and 2. reply to this thread.
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That's not you; (other) ancient people thought precisely that.
But it's not possible according to our current understanding of physics, which shows that the univerrse will die a heat death, that it cannot implode upon itselfl since it's not just expanding, but accelerating.
The point of no return has been passed.
But Sagan was wrong, thought that's not really what he meant. He meant there's not much sense in thinking outside of spacetime because it's scientifically indeterminate.
The Beethoven example did not resonate with me, but thanks for the interesting reply.
Regards why he let Christ suffer and die in that cruel way …. that is a good question and one that everyone, believers and non-believers alike, have asked for years.
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