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You aren't providing tough questions. Life being complex doesn't mean god exists. Period. Have a good day.
The point he is making, if I may, is that the more we discover about just how complex life forms are, the higher the mathematical odds that it could happen by chance become. IOW - When Darwin originally proposed that life came from primordial soup, man/science had no idea just how complex even a single cell was.
Discovering that doesn't disprove that theory, but it DOES move the target. The more complex a machine is, the less likely it is that it formed without outside interference. I don't see how that is debatable. More variables means less likely (while at the same time not rendering it impossible)
Discovering that doesn't disprove that theory, but it DOES move the target. The more complex a machine is, the less likely it is that it formed without outside interference. I don't see how that is debatable. More variables means less likely (while at the same time not rendering it impossible)
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Perfect simple summation. The "you don't know where it started either" argument trying to suggest an equivalency between scientific understanding and religion is silly so no wonder Caveman is tucking tail and running.
To my view, science does not prove or disprove the existence of God, nor does it attempt to. I’ve never understood the argument that science and religion are incompatible.
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I would agree with most of what you say. A Bible verse that has become one of my favorites over the past few months is the following:
Phillipians 2:3 - Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility, consider others better than yourself.
As Christians, we are exponentially more likely to lead ppl to Christ because of our Christ like actions, not what we say.
As for serving w/out judgment, if someone is living in sin, we are called biblically to call out that sin, but it must be done in a loving and biblical way. As an example, I am not going to call out someone for drinking to intoxication if I struggle with that sin in my life; however, if that is an area that I have overcome by God's grace, or just in general have never had an issue in that regard, I would certainly call out that particular sin in someone's life, albeit it in a loving way.
WildcatfaninOhio
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Or…unless it’s your immediate family, you could mind your own damn business.
If you choose to live by the rules of your religion, I really don’t care. If you expect me to live by the rules of your religion, we have a major problem.
His whole post read like a great recipe to get his arse kicked.
Unfortunately we are called to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, not just our immediate family. I really couldn't care less what you think about that, as I only care what God's Word says.
Who said anything about me or anyone expecting you to live by a set of rules? I am not forcing you to do anything dude. I am literally telling you what I believe to be true. If you are an alcoholic or sex addict, I will tell you that you have a problem and need help. Anything after that is your call. I am not forcing you to do anything.
I think it was Ghandi who said he'd consider being a Christian if more Christians were like their Christ.
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I don’t give a flying f*** what your imaginary friend has called you to do. As suggested earlier, if you follow the voice in your head you’re very likely to get your ass kicked. You live your life and stay out of mine. If you would tell me that I’m living my life wrong, I would tell you in a not-at-all loving way to stick your opinion where the sun don’t shine.
If I want to get drunk, eat shellfish, get a tattoo, wear mixed fabrics, and fornicate, I’ll do it.
I wouldn't want to be anything like the genocidal, vindictive Christian god who watches us closely live in filth, poverty, disease and war eagerly awaiting someone to beg for forgiveness for existing.
One should not base their decisions solely on what others do, say or think.
But they're just words. Sticks and stones may break your bones, but...
It's forgiveness for sin, not for existence.
Interesting...I am 36 yrs old and have never once been remotely close to getting in a fight in my lifetime. Looks like I am doing something right...
Again, you can feel free to do all that you said in that last sentence. I won't be stopping you.
I hope you're not one of those party foul religious nuts carry a lifesize wooden cross around at the Mardi Gras while I'm getting blasted on Cat5 Hurricanes with beads up to my eyeballs.
This totally isn't a cult at all. American culture in one picture.
You can see one of the performers taking a McDonald's break by the tents. The platforms add a nice, modern comfort luxary to "hanging" on a cross.
You can see one of the performers taking a McDonald's break by the tents. The platforms add a nice, modern comfort luxary to "hanging" on a cross.
Not sure who this meant for, as I don't know who you are replying to.
Don't really have a desire to go to New Orleans...have heard it's the armpit of the south.
However, would love to grab a beer or two with most ppl in this thread. Probably have much more in common with the majority of y'all than not.
Love talking sports, particularly UK basketball. Love playing sports. Huge bourbon fan. Just finished bourbon room in our house. Have a refurbished barrel from Templeton Rye, can open barrel as door was added, keep majority of my bourbon inside.
Most importantly, love the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Some crosses had support for the feet, I believe, to lengthen the torture. Death would come quickly if you were truly hanging from nails driven inside your wrists. If driven into the hands, the arms would have to be tied to keep the hands from ripping apart under the weight. Suffocation was probably the main form of eventual death. Of course, Jesus was tortured just shy of death before he was crucified.This totally isn't a cult at all. American culture in one picture.
You can see one of the performers taking a McDonald's break by the tents. The platforms add a nice, modern comfort luxary to "hanging" on a cross.
Crucifixion was just brutal dude. By far the most torturous form of execution ever devised. Would make one long for the electric chair if it existed back then.
Well the fly in the ointment to having a beer with you is that you've already admitted that the whole time I'm in your presence you'll be judging me to see if I have any sin that needs calling out on account of that's what you're obligated to do, the way you tell it.
And that's a deal breaker.
What you don't get is that by you actually believing you need to intervene in the lives of others if they fall short of what you believe is incredibly arrogant. That other people would be "corrected"...
Do you know what you remind me of? Those religious cops in Iran that go around beating women if they let their head scarves slip. You are exactly no different. You may not be as brutish in carrying out your "corrections" but fundamentally you are one in the same.
Hard pass on the beer.
Naw...never once said that at all. Not even close dude. Sounds like you really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hate genuine Christians, ppl who actually try to follow what Jesus says. Forget about those fake Christians that you guys have complained ad nauseum about in this thread that give actual genuine believers a a bad name. Heck, the Bible is clear that not even God will accept those fake Christians into his kingdom. He will say He never knew them.
You have grossly misrepresented what I said about judgment of sin. I do not go out of my way to tell someone what they are doing is wrong. Now if someone asks me why I am not partaking in a certain activity that the Bible deems as sinful, I will tell them exactly why. I don't care if you do or do not like that. Like I said earlier, if someone is struggling with alcohol or sex addiction, because we are called to love our neighbor, I will call them out on that and direct them to get help. I would hope you would do the same.
But to suggest I advocate for randomly attacking people or calling out sin in their lives, when I struggle with sin in my own life, would be hypocritical on my end, and is poor reading comprehension on your end.
@mcnicKY91 , I did not know you were related to Ohio and LOL, as they seem comfortable judging and admonishing you.
No, I said you are not as brutish as the Iranians, but you did say you were obligated to intervene when you see sin and correct the people to let them know what they were doing wrong.
Never mind the staggering arrogance of that, on a much smaller scale it means you are a walking party foul.
Not sure why you would think I hate Christians? As I have said a number of times in this thread if you just remove the religious angle then living what would be a "Christian" life (if it was authentic and not the phony kind) in that you love and honor your wife, take care of your family, and are a good neighbor then you will live a good happy life.
It's the recruiting I don't like and most people don't do that sort of thing. Most also certainly do not feel like they need to go around correcting the sin in other people, I can't believe you didn't think you'd get flak for that. Nobody is going to put up with that.
Below is a very quick read from the National Library of Medicine about the history and pathology of crucifixion. Thought is was interesting as well that Christians were one of the main groups of people that were crucified in the first couple centuries after Jesus was crucified...why do you think the Roman government would crucify so many Christians during the time period after a person by the name of Jesus was alleged to have been crucified?This totally isn't a cult at all. American culture in one picture.
You can see one of the performers taking a McDonald's break by the tents. The platforms add a nice, modern comfort luxary to "hanging" on a cross.
The history and pathology of crucifixion - PubMed
In antiquity crucifixion was considered one of the most brutal and shameful modes of death. Probably originating with the Assyrians and Babylonians, it was used systematically by the Persians in the 6th century BC. Alexander the Great brought it from there to the eastern Mediterranean countries...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
100% dude...sorry I care about someone's well being and don't want them to die very early in life from alcoholism. That makes me a judgmental person? You wouldn't try to save that person's life? You would just be indifferent and let them go down that course and essentially kill themselves?
Actually Christopher Hitchens has been praised here as an atheist recruiter. In fact, other atheists have admitted their desire to see people walk away from their faith. I don’t read many of your posts, so you may have condemned that recruitment, as well. If so, I apologize.
Didn't you just say you didn't do that? Geesh. You're not just a walking party foul you're scatterbrained as well. At least keep track of what you are claiming you do.
You said you are "called biblically" to call out the sin you see in others. Not all sin is fatal. Are you saying you only call out medically unhealthy sin and are substituting your own judgment in place of the bible? That's even worse. You think you are your own religion and are medically diagnosing people's sin to see whether or not it passes your medical exemption for sin calling out-ism.
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You made a big deal out of leaving the thread and giving up. I liked you better when you were surrendering and giving up.
WildcatfaninOhio
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How many alcoholics have you saved by telling them the errors of their ways, and sharing “the good news”?
AA and its 12 step program, which psychologists essentially universally agree is the best and most sustainable method for them if not the only that works, is about finding God.
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