paced our offense became in last half of season and it has cost us in recruiting at present time. We actually had a team built for speed and we showed that first half of season .but somehow ended up playing like we didn't have a bench or team loaded with athlete's
players are watching how slow
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So a team that was constantly highlighted as the biggest anyone could remember and compared to NBA team size was built for speed? Our highest three draft picks are going to be big men. We had a first team All-American and POY candidate at center. The top pick in the draft will be our starting F/C.
We also currently have either the best or second best recruiting class in the country. There is a zero percent chance that "slowing it down" hurt us in recruiting. Arizona plays slow and ugly and is always a top destination too.
This is just a weird class with lots of players staying close to home or with strange motives or situations.
We also currently have either the best or second best recruiting class in the country. There is a zero percent chance that "slowing it down" hurt us in recruiting. Arizona plays slow and ugly and is always a top destination too.
This is just a weird class with lots of players staying close to home or with strange motives or situations.
Our best player was a post player and we were the tallest team in NCAA. I don't think that is built for speed. lol
If anything, it shows that Cal adjusts and plays to the teams strength.
You can't run dribble drive with all our big guys. Lyles was 6'9 small forward
If anything, it shows that Cal adjusts and plays to the teams strength.
You can't run dribble drive with all our big guys. Lyles was 6'9 small forward
This is just a weird class with lots of players staying close to home or with strange motives or situations.
I agree. Even if we had won it all not sure we wouldn't be in the same boat.
I agree. Even if we had won it all not sure we wouldn't be in the same boat.
The only thing holding up filling out this class is the perceived playing time that will be available to the remaining recruits. The fact that we will have 6 High School All-Americans on our roster has made it difficult for Cal. These remaining recruits want as much PT as they can get, so they will want assurances that enough PT is available.
No need to get worked up about the recruiting just because a couple of things didn't play out in our favor and they all sort of happened within a short time period I think is what's causing all the panic.
Zimmerman wants to stay home (literally), Diallo still undecided - he would've already been in UK blue if Slice hadn't left imo, The big grad student choosing Illinois - his last year probably just wanted as much PT as possible.
Cats are have currently ranked #2 class (will eventually be #1)
Still in play with several top recruits
Point is this....Were fine!
Zimmerman wants to stay home (literally), Diallo still undecided - he would've already been in UK blue if Slice hadn't left imo, The big grad student choosing Illinois - his last year probably just wanted as much PT as possible.
Cats are have currently ranked #2 class (will eventually be #1)
Still in play with several top recruits
Point is this....Were fine!
UK ran plenty in the 2nd half of the season. They put up 110 on AU, 91 on them again, 78 on Ark, 84 on Ark, 79 on Hampton, 78 on WVU, etc. Other teams played stall ball against UK...so yeah, UK had to win in the 60s a lot of times.
People are making far too big a deal out of the end of the Wisconsin game. MSU has a dog crap offense with a defensive minded coach in Howland...no one knows what St. John's will be with Mullins, KU was no offensive machine last year with Self, yeah UCLA plays offense, but they sucked against anyone legit on offense, and on and on. These are some of the teams we may lose Newman, Diallo, and Brown too respectively. I don't get the OP's point. It is not like we are losing them to teams that are good on offense, other than a deceptively "good" UCLA offense last year.
People are making far too big a deal out of the end of the Wisconsin game. MSU has a dog crap offense with a defensive minded coach in Howland...no one knows what St. John's will be with Mullins, KU was no offensive machine last year with Self, yeah UCLA plays offense, but they sucked against anyone legit on offense, and on and on. These are some of the teams we may lose Newman, Diallo, and Brown too respectively. I don't get the OP's point. It is not like we are losing them to teams that are good on offense, other than a deceptively "good" UCLA offense last year.
Our team only became fast with Ulis and Booker on the floor. Speed was not Twins strength.
Disagree with this. Also all these recruits have to do is look at UKs backcourt next year of Ulis and Briscoe.. Much different type of backcourt than we seen with the Harrison twins..
Next year's team will be very quick on both sides of the floor with who we have on the roster. All of our big s including the ones were still recruiting can run. This team will set a different tone to the game then what we have been use to over the last three seasons.
Our size last season was built more for defense(which our defense was crazy good), and for lobbing it, feeding it into the post a lot of offense. Next season will be a lot different, smaller team, but quicker. Defense won't be as good as last season(hard to fill big shoes), but our offense will be better. Will be fun to see how it plays out 
"Doneitall" except watch college basketball. This post is just inaccurate. I think too many people on this board spend more time on this board complaining than actually watching games or learning the sport they are complaining about. I get blasted regularly for being disagreeable, but I'm not misinformed about the type of team we have/had. Come on man.
Cal has never been one to run up and down for 40 minutes, although that's usually due to other teams slowing it down.
But yes, that's the reason.
But yes, that's the reason.
The irony is that I thought Kentucky was one of the best transition teams I've seen in this sport. When we ran we were absolutely devastating.
I don't buy the OP's argument, but I think there's some merit to the idea that Kentucky played too slowly. I've argued that Towns, as great as he was, held Kentucky back in some ways. Not only in terms of tempo but also because on most possessions he assures you 2 points.
If you're playing 2-for-2 with teams the way we did against Wisconsin and Notre Dame, you're going to play close games against teams that are efficient. We couldn't get any separation. When we were burying teams we were running, getting out on the break, finding Booker for open threes.
The UK team was a team of bears. It was built to stomp not run. You want to run? you recruit greyhounds. Skinny guys with the metabolism of hummingbirds. Guys who dribble faster than the other guy can run. I don't think Calipari trusts the dribble. Pre-3, you passed the ball around until you got a good 10 ft shot or a layup. But the 10 ft shot is a dodo bird. Teams that run these days are composed of rejects from the top programs. Since the refs don't call bumping with legs and hips, there are ways to negate speed. If you want a return to running basketball, close guarding has to be called. Running requires space so the refs have to take the lead and call all those bumps. Then, you've got to find skinny guys who can dribble and shoot.
These "pace of play" posts kill me! The OP was probably also one of those who cried about how Tubby's teams didn't score either.
Here is some interesting stats for you, from the past 15 seasons (why 15, that is just how long I've been collecting the data). So that is Tubby's final 7 seasons at UK, 2 under BCG, and Cal's 6 seasons.
Average yearly point-per-game average: Tubby 75.1, Cal 75.5
Average # FGA-per-game average: Tubby 58.4, Cal 56.3
Average # 3ptA-per-game average: Tubby 19.4, Cal 16.3
Average # FTA-per-game average: Tubby 20.1, Cal 24.2
Analysis, you really don't see much difference in "pace of play" or scoring between most coaches. Sure there are a few coaches who slow it down or speed it up, but they are the exception, and generally are not winning coaches. Winning coaches know that you win because of defense first, offense second.
As for the Tubby / Cal comparison, Cal's teams take more efficient shots (closer to the basket) meaning fewer 3's and more FTs. Tubby's teams took 2 more FGA/gm but that is likely because they were fouled less in the act of shooting by about the same amount (4 more FTA/gm = 2 less shots on shooting fouls).
Here is some interesting stats for you, from the past 15 seasons (why 15, that is just how long I've been collecting the data). So that is Tubby's final 7 seasons at UK, 2 under BCG, and Cal's 6 seasons.
Average yearly point-per-game average: Tubby 75.1, Cal 75.5
Average # FGA-per-game average: Tubby 58.4, Cal 56.3
Average # 3ptA-per-game average: Tubby 19.4, Cal 16.3
Average # FTA-per-game average: Tubby 20.1, Cal 24.2
Analysis, you really don't see much difference in "pace of play" or scoring between most coaches. Sure there are a few coaches who slow it down or speed it up, but they are the exception, and generally are not winning coaches. Winning coaches know that you win because of defense first, offense second.
As for the Tubby / Cal comparison, Cal's teams take more efficient shots (closer to the basket) meaning fewer 3's and more FTs. Tubby's teams took 2 more FGA/gm but that is likely because they were fouled less in the act of shooting by about the same amount (4 more FTA/gm = 2 less shots on shooting fouls).
FWIW, Kenpom shows that overall tempo was dragged down by lengthy defensive possessions.
Average possession length on offense was 17.7 seconds (ranked #98th in country)
Average possession length on defense was 19.6 seconds (ranked #327th in country)
Adjusted tempo was 63.5 possessions (ranked #251st)
The offensive tempo was actually in line with most of Cal's other teams. The aberration, of course, was 2010. That team averaged 16.2 seconds per offensive possession (ranked #31st), but that was largely the John Wall effect.
Average possession length on offense was 17.7 seconds (ranked #98th in country)
Average possession length on defense was 19.6 seconds (ranked #327th in country)
Adjusted tempo was 63.5 possessions (ranked #251st)
The offensive tempo was actually in line with most of Cal's other teams. The aberration, of course, was 2010. That team averaged 16.2 seconds per offensive possession (ranked #31st), but that was largely the John Wall effect.
Yup. Also, having Lyles at SF, when he's really a PF, was our defensive weakness. Losing Poythress killed UK against Wisconsin (Dekker) and might have killed UK against Duke (Winslow). The national narrative lost that point, of course.
The stats reflect how often UK scored not the manner. Coaches love efficiency, and few of them love movement for the sake of movement. If you love movement for the sake of movement you become a dancer. If you love speed, you race.
LOL, some of you are hilarious.
so recruits worry more about pace of play than getting picked in the lottery?? Oh, OK.
so recruits worry more about pace of play than getting picked in the lottery?? Oh, OK.
I would not want anyone coaching Cats but Cal. But This ky team was not a team of bears. Willie can run with any guard in the country and he is one of our bigs, Towns could beat most post players down the floor and plus limited minutes made make our post people plus whole team more able to beat players down the floor. Johnson had very good quickness running down floor but what he did with the ball at times wasn't pretty. Ulis and Booker were skinny plus could dribble ball down floor quickly. AAron and Andrew could run plus Andrew could push the ball down the floor the very quickly also. Our length would have helped start quicker pace with outlet passes. How many seconds did we take off of shotclock before starting our offense with most players standing and watching latter part of season? We were as much as reason of pace of game was slow as the opponent was and we had the most talent of any team in country.
Look at how our bigs could run the floor and how fresh our bigs were plus should have been great for outlet passes.
Well said, sometimes it isn't what we aren't doing as much as it is out of our control . . . meaning Cal can recruit with the best, but some of these kids are just doing things different and wanting to be the man or stay home. Is what it is, in Cal I trust.
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