Paul tarninishing Petrino's good name
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Bobby Petrino is just about everything he has been called in this thread and many others. IMO he is a passive-aggressive social misfit in many ways. One of those guys that absolutely lost all control when he finally "made it" under hus own criteria of whateve he made it to is. We see it everyday on a smaller scale such as at work, church in our social circles etc. It just so happens he is on a national stage and these things are more glaring.
Here is what I dont understand about the Petrino situation and why I was a proponent of hiring him when his dad was sniffing around UK on his behalf. What exactly is the risk of hiring him? Are folks really naive enough to think that within a year or two another big program wouldnt have come calling? By big program Im simply talking about a program on the same level as UL. A second tier progam that has had a handful of big moments over the last 20 years. It was going to happen. I always thought it would be out West because IIRC his roots are somewhere out there (could be wrong, memory isnt what it used to be). Just somewhere away from the South where he had pissed off the entire state of Georgia, a lot of Kentucky (even some UL fans) and a large portion of Arkansas. I saw him somewhere like Washington State or Utah within a few years.
So Louisville comes in and hires him. I wasnt thrilled about that. He is all of the negative things folks say he is but on top of that he is a pretty darn good football coach and now we gotta see him every Thanksgiving. But it is what it is. I like Stoops and I like the feeling around the program rght now so Im past the stage of being a bit miffed we didnt take a run at Petrino. I do however respect his coaching ability and his past (on the field) is impressive.
Here is what Im not understanding. What exactly are the risks of hiring him? IF we hire him how does this hurt us? Some negative words and some bad press for awhile maybe. Say he shacks up with a cheerleader and gets in trouble again. So what. He gets fired, we hire a coach, life goes on. I dont understand where the risk was. I think the real problem is he has violated some folks moral/personal code and thats as far as it goes.
My question is did it occur to any of these types that in this day and age your moral code doesnt fit society. Im not saying you are wrong or right, I am saying that youre in a fast shrinking minority and that you are playing by rules that many of your rivals ans peers are not. I am turning 60 next month and I totally understand where folks with this mindset are coming from but I feel we are crippling ourselves. With our history in football I was a bit perplexed that we were "above" hiring Petrino. Especially when the risk vs reward seemed to be heavy leaning towards the reward side of things. So Id like to see folks reasoning as to why taking a chance on him was not even a consideration.
Here is what I dont understand about the Petrino situation and why I was a proponent of hiring him when his dad was sniffing around UK on his behalf. What exactly is the risk of hiring him? Are folks really naive enough to think that within a year or two another big program wouldnt have come calling? By big program Im simply talking about a program on the same level as UL. A second tier progam that has had a handful of big moments over the last 20 years. It was going to happen. I always thought it would be out West because IIRC his roots are somewhere out there (could be wrong, memory isnt what it used to be). Just somewhere away from the South where he had pissed off the entire state of Georgia, a lot of Kentucky (even some UL fans) and a large portion of Arkansas. I saw him somewhere like Washington State or Utah within a few years.
So Louisville comes in and hires him. I wasnt thrilled about that. He is all of the negative things folks say he is but on top of that he is a pretty darn good football coach and now we gotta see him every Thanksgiving. But it is what it is. I like Stoops and I like the feeling around the program rght now so Im past the stage of being a bit miffed we didnt take a run at Petrino. I do however respect his coaching ability and his past (on the field) is impressive.
Here is what Im not understanding. What exactly are the risks of hiring him? IF we hire him how does this hurt us? Some negative words and some bad press for awhile maybe. Say he shacks up with a cheerleader and gets in trouble again. So what. He gets fired, we hire a coach, life goes on. I dont understand where the risk was. I think the real problem is he has violated some folks moral/personal code and thats as far as it goes.
My question is did it occur to any of these types that in this day and age your moral code doesnt fit society. Im not saying you are wrong or right, I am saying that youre in a fast shrinking minority and that you are playing by rules that many of your rivals ans peers are not. I am turning 60 next month and I totally understand where folks with this mindset are coming from but I feel we are crippling ourselves. With our history in football I was a bit perplexed that we were "above" hiring Petrino. Especially when the risk vs reward seemed to be heavy leaning towards the reward side of things. So Id like to see folks reasoning as to why taking a chance on him was not even a consideration.
Once again this is most definitely a UK fan acting like a tard fan. Anyone with a brain wouldn't believe a word of that crap he just posted.
1. I'm not going to research it but I HIGHLY doubt that Strong and his buyout were the largest ever paid to that point. Schools pay large buyouts all the time and 4-5 million isn't as significant as you think it is
2. A 7 million dollar buyout does not mean a coach is untouchable in college football. Florida just paid 10 million to get McElwain from Colorado State. It probably does make Bobby unlikely to be wanted by anyone because he is a POS human being and you all are paying WAY above market for him (and for Grantham) which was very stupid of Jurich to do
3. Bobby gets no credit for your APR because that is a measurement of past performance. In his first year he had nothing to do with that number that was Strong's achievement. When Daniel Orton skipped his second semester it didn't affect our APR score for 3 years I believe so Bobby's impact on your APR won't be felt for another 3-4 years.
4. The Stoops brothers are actually very good people (unlike the Petrinos) that have shown to be extremely loyal. Bob has turned down multiple job offers and rejected NFL interest to stay at OU for a long time. Their dad was a DC at Cardinal Mooney HS for 35 years and turned down HC offers his entire career. If Stoops is treated well and our administration gives him everything he needs to succeed I have very little doubt that he will be here for a long time. Ohio State, ND, and Michigan would probably be the only 3 powers close to his home and family that would worry me if they came calling. I completely agree with Mitch not putting a buyout in Stoops contract. Show unwavering trust and loyalty to Stoops and I think that is your best chance to keep him. Try to trap him with a buyout and that trust fades and so does his loyalty
There's a very easy answer to your question. Petrino will bring in the worst kind of people and create a culture that cripples your program. He will get good athletes but they'll be poor students, habitual drug users, woman beaters, ect. He'll have a constant rotating door of JUCOs and transfers so the roster will eventual get completely out of balance. He will win in the short-term because that win at all costs approach will get you where you want to be for 2-3 years but the mess it creates will take 4-5 years to fix.
So you have to ask yourself if you are a win at all costs University. Do you succumb to bringing in a guy that will wreck the social culture of your football program or do you have faith in your ability to go out and find a coach that will win and do it the right way? There are a lot of good coaches out there waiting to be discovered. Does your AD feel that he can find success in a good person that won't short cut the process. That will recruit 4 year players with good character, redshirt them, and build a sustainable program.
We could've brought in Petrino and he would've won some games in a hurry but he wouldn't have made the UK job any more desirable than it was when he got here. Winning for 3 years isn't going to change the culture of UK football. It isn't going to make the program a destination job for other coaches. That's a massive undertaking that requires years of sustained success and its a process that can't be shortcut the Petrino way.
Stoops is bringing in excellent recruiting classes with good kids and redshirting around 18 of them per season. He took lumps his first two years by redshirting those guys for the long-term benefit of the program instead of playing them all to win another game or two like Petrino would have. He's rallied the boosters and the rest of the state to build and renovate our facilities to be on par with the best in the country. He's building a house with bricks and mortar instead of a deck of cards.
UK didn't have much to lose but we have a lot to gain and the approach we take is important. Petrino wasn't the answer if we ever want to rise from the cellar in a way that will last a lifetime. Petrino would've got us out of the cellar for a couple years then we'd be back to square one
IMO Petrino is like drugs like cocaine and heroin. He lures you with that first time or two of good and then reality hits and you head to rock bottom. Good and then real bad.
Petjurino if he is for real which I doubt is a first class idiot. If he isn't for real it wouldn't surprise me if he was some UofL fan like Zipp on this board with his BS laughing at UK fans instead of a UK fan playing games.
Petjurino if he is for real which I doubt is a first class idiot. If he isn't for real it wouldn't surprise me if he was some UofL fan like Zipp on this board with his BS laughing at UK fans instead of a UK fan playing games.
They share DNA and environmental influences during youth. They just may be social and moral pigs.
Bobby Petrino has a $10 million buyout.
Looking at that buyout of $ 10 Million, Bobby Petrino not going any where for several years.
fwiw google says that florida paid the largest buyout ever to get mcelwain.
im in agreement that bobby is there for the long haul though. he's a good coach but he's not $10million upfront good. shoot guys... everyone is scoring ridiculous amounts now a days. 8 teams averaged over 40 ppg last year and a whole bunch were in that high 30's. i may be mis-remembering but it seemed like when bobby was scoring 45 ppg at ul the first time that there was only a few teams doing that.... googled through 2001 to 2007 and usually only 1 to 5 teams score over 40 ppg. the last 3 years have seen at least 8 teams score over 40 ppg with several other being in that 38.8+ too.
so are you gonna pay an asshat what ever it would take to get him and then give ul $10million when, if you want a high powered offense, you can probably get a guy for $5 millionish buyout and not have to deal with his baggage and still score 40 ppg?
im in agreement that bobby is there for the long haul though. he's a good coach but he's not $10million upfront good. shoot guys... everyone is scoring ridiculous amounts now a days. 8 teams averaged over 40 ppg last year and a whole bunch were in that high 30's. i may be mis-remembering but it seemed like when bobby was scoring 45 ppg at ul the first time that there was only a few teams doing that.... googled through 2001 to 2007 and usually only 1 to 5 teams score over 40 ppg. the last 3 years have seen at least 8 teams score over 40 ppg with several other being in that 38.8+ too.
so are you gonna pay an asshat what ever it would take to get him and then give ul $10million when, if you want a high powered offense, you can probably get a guy for $5 millionish buyout and not have to deal with his baggage and still score 40 ppg?
All I can say is if Paul is trying to bring down his brothers name he doesn't have much downside to work with.
I'm sure glad that my moral code was formed a long time ago when your word meant something, I wouldn't change it for the world-----or Bobby Petrino. I campaigned heavily against him (along with others) when some of you wanted to hire hime. Not only do I think hiring Stoops was the right choice for UK (AND think he will have more success here than BP would have) I think he will have a much better record here than he ever would have had.
For one thing do you think he could have ever been enabled to come close to running a program at UK like he does at UL with jurich's full endorsement? Oh, not to mention BPE, the President, the board of trustees, the fans, the PD, etc etc.
I'm sure glad that my moral code was formed a long time ago when your word meant something, I wouldn't change it for the world-----or Bobby Petrino. I campaigned heavily against him (along with others) when some of you wanted to hire hime. Not only do I think hiring Stoops was the right choice for UK (AND think he will have more success here than BP would have) I think he will have a much better record here than he ever would have had.
For one thing do you think he could have ever been enabled to come close to running a program at UK like he does at UL with jurich's full endorsement? Oh, not to mention BPE, the President, the board of trustees, the fans, the PD, etc etc.
He also got a $24.5 million dollar contract when no other legit University of higher learning would have hired him. Not to mention the half a million dollar bonus for something he had nothing to do with (the normal bonus for minimum academic compliance is $50K).
I guess the students at UL that are just looking for an education have deep pockets. Pretty soon he will be making as much as the other proven adulterer on campus installing moral values in young people, of course he is also an abortionist, so maybe BP has a ways to go yet.
Talk about the tail wagging the dog.
If Bobby screws up again off the field, do you think the Louisville media will be inclined to report it or cover it up?
i've always like cal. i thought we should of hired him when we got billy. i also think that if you take an honest look at all aspects of their person that cal is a better person than rick or bob and its not even close.
cue some ul fan saying that bobby and rick have never had wins vacated and they have too much respect for the game to tarnish it... they will stand in front of a church full of people and vow to god to forsake all others and then publicly cheat on them but they won't even bend an ncaa rule!
I cannot say that I'm in the business of accurate mind-reading or getting into people's heads, but this is where I think things are realistically at with him: He was very much embarrassed & humiliated by his actions/his choices, and only because he was caught. He had a year to sit and think about it, and then he came back coaching at WKU in the Sun Belt. Here was a man who was leading Arkansas to SEC victories and a BCS bowl, now playing teams in empty stadiums against the Sun Belt. The opportunity at Louisville (which is now a much different job than when it was his in C-USA) opened up, and now he's there, coaching in the ACC against powers like FSU & Clemson. It is something of a home to his wife and his children, and I think he still has a daughter at UofL. Short term, it's not crazy to say that Bobby probably is very thankful & happy to be where he is: Coaching at a second home, in a P5 conference like the ACC. For the mistakes he has made and the people he has wronged, he managed to land on his feet well in spite of that. He probably meant it when he told Jurich "make the buyout however high you want" and thus the $10M buyout which does not decline over the life of the contract.
So far, things look great about a year and a half in. The test will be if/when he starts winning ACC titles, what happens then? But there's still that non-declining $10M buyout to consider. It all has to play out.
Sounds more like how UL fans talk about Calipari. Ever been to a UL board?
If we are speaking about ownership!
This is the first I've heard that his buyout is constant through the life of the contract. I was told that it falls to 7 million after the 3rd season I think. Either way he's always had teams that he built for a 3 year run and left behind when the consequences of recruiting a roster full of social misfits came to pass. He'll load up on big athletes that barely qualify, went JUCO, or were kicked out of other schools. Eventually it all comes crashing down. I hope he's there to see it through this time
It holds at $10M for the first 4 years, per a google search which linked to an article at Card Chronicle. My apologies. I don't know how much it declines in years 5 & 6, and I assume it's zero in year 7 but I don't know that.
He is definitely filling holes in this years team (year 2) with transfers, but recruiting overall has been pretty impressive. The losses to last year's team were heavy. We will have to see how it all plays out.
He is definitely filling holes in this years team (year 2) with transfers, but recruiting overall has been pretty impressive. The losses to last year's team were heavy. We will have to see how it all plays out.
