PAC 12 getting raided by BIG 12?

[gamecockcat]

For those of you who think Houston is a 'big get' for the B12, I've got news for you. I lived in Houston for about 6 years and the coverage of UH football was nonexistent. UT, A&M and the Texans absorbed 99% of all local football coverage. Honestly, HS playoffs got more press than UH most of the time.

Just looked up an article that UH football averages about 25k in home attendance. Last time they drew 30k was in 2018. Last time they drew 40k was in 2016. Adding them to the B12 did almost nothing for exposure, TV audience, etc.

Plus, the best HS players in Houston (a lot most years) go to UT, A&M, LSU for the most part. A few go to OU, OSU, AL, etc. UH only very rarely gets a stud that a more elite program really wants.

Just another comment: if the B10 ends up with 20+ teams, is that really a conference? I mean, how often is MD going to play UCLA or IA play USC? If you're in the same conference but only very rarely play a team in your conference, are you REALLY in the same conference? If every decade IA plays USC a home-and-home series, is that much different than just scheduling them when they're out of conference? I just don't see how this consolidation is good for the fans. Scheduling will be a challenge for these super conferences. Some years I'd guess Michigan will rotate off USC's schedule to be replaced by Rutgers - that's good for CFB and, more importantly, for CFB fans?

 

[JHB4UK]

FYI, Colorado was a Big-8/Big-12 member from 1947-1996. Return to Big-12 might be a better fit for the Buffaloes.

That state has had over the last 25-30 yrs a massive population change with California residents relocating there. Now that university feels more in touch culturally with left coast schools than ones in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas.

 

[Cat06]

For those of you who think Houston is a 'big get' for the B12, I've got news for you. I lived in Houston for about 6 years and the coverage of UH football was nonexistent. UT, A&M and the Texans absorbed 99% of all local football coverage. Honestly, HS playoffs got more press than UH most of the time.

Just looked up an article that UH football averages about 25k in home attendance. Last time they drew 30k was in 2018. Last time they drew 40k was in 2016. Adding them to the B12 did almost nothing for exposure, TV audience, etc.

Plus, the best HS players in Houston (a lot most years) go to UT, A&M, LSU for the most part. A few go to OU, OSU, AL, etc. UH only very rarely gets a stud that a more elite program really wants.

Just another comment: if the B10 ends up with 20+ teams, is that really a conference? I mean, how often is MD going to play UCLA or IA play USC? If you're in the same conference but only very rarely play a team in your conference, are you REALLY in the same conference? If every decade IA plays USC a home-and-home series, is that much different than just scheduling them when they're out of conference? I just don't see how this consolidation is good for the fans. Scheduling will be a challenge for these super conferences. Some years I'd guess Michigan will rotate off USC's schedule to be replaced by Rutgers - that's good for CFB and, more importantly, for CFB fans?

It is all about the TV eyes. Houston has a massive population. The conferences want those eyes, Houston fans or not.

 

[CAT Scratch FVR]

They have the Houston market with A&M, Texas and LSU. Yes, they have a massive population but there is no need for the team. They are, primarily, a city school like Louisville. Not a match.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

For those of you who think Houston is a 'big get' for the B12, I've got news for you. I lived in Houston for about 6 years and the coverage of UH football was nonexistent. UT, A&M and the Texans absorbed 99% of all local football coverage. Honestly, HS playoffs got more press than UH most of the time.

Just looked up an article that UH football averages about 25k in home attendance. Last time they drew 30k was in 2018. Last time they drew 40k was in 2016. Adding them to the B12 did almost nothing for exposure, TV audience, etc.

Plus, the best HS players in Houston (a lot most years) go to UT, A&M, LSU for the most part. A few go to OU, OSU, AL, etc. UH only very rarely gets a stud that a more elite program really wants.

Just another comment: if the B10 ends up with 20+ teams, is that really a conference? I mean, how often is MD going to play UCLA or IA play USC? If you're in the same conference but only very rarely play a team in your conference, are you REALLY in the same conference? If every decade IA plays USC a home-and-home series, is that much different than just scheduling them when they're out of conference? I just don't see how this consolidation is good for the fans. Scheduling will be a challenge for these super conferences. Some years I'd guess Michigan will rotate off USC's schedule to be replaced by Rutgers - that's good for CFB and, more importantly, for CFB fans?

Until the SEC formed 2 divisions only play 6 conference games a year, there were several teams who seldom played.we get to 20+ teams do away with ooc games and play all conference games, would play everyone within 2 years.

 

[gamecockcat]

Until the SEC formed 2 divisions only play 6 conference games a year, there were several teams who seldom played.we get to 20+ teams do away with ooc games and play all conference games, would play everyone within 2 years.

I hope we never get to the point where we play only SEC teams. Every so often, it'd be nice to mix in an IU, UofL, WVa, IL, Baylor or some other team like that. Also, if we went 100% SEC, we might lose UG vs Tech, FL vs FSU, Clemson v. S. Car, OU vs Okie St, etc. That would not be a positive development for CFB, imo.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I hope we never get to the point where we play only SEC teams. Every so often, it'd be nice to mix in an IU, UofL, WVa, IL, Baylor or some other team like that. Also, if we went 100% SEC, we might lose UG vs Tech, FL vs FSU, Clemson v. S. Car, OU vs Okie St, etc. That would not be a positive development for CFB, imo.

Won't lose all of them because they will be in SEC. Big 10 doesn't want Clemson or FSU. They would take Tech, while some old SEC members may not want Tech back in because they bolted before.

Positive or not, I think it's the future of college football. With the payoffs the 2 major conferences are getting won't be match by the other 3 P5 conferences. I think it eventually ends up with the 2 big conference leave the NCAA and build their on organization with probably half of the D1 schools, maybe less. Now that could become 4 conferences and you can only schedule teams in that organization.