I think when I signed up I went ahead and did it for a year. Not sure if I will renew or not. Guess we will see. They have been kind off base recently (last year or so).
Edit- I will say, David Sisk is a cool ass dude.
Our insiders might not be having the best year
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I think when I signed up I went ahead and did it for a year. Not sure if I will renew or not. Guess we will see. They have been kind off base recently (last year or so).
Edit- I will say, David Sisk is a cool ass dude.
Why? He did not violate any board rules and expressed a valid opinion.
Few things here are more annoying than posters who cry for the mods to ban anyone who says something they don't like. They're like the adult version of that annoying kid who was constantly saying "I'm telling on you!"
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I trust Cal and the staff but I can’t figure out what our recruiting strategy with big guys was this cycle? We spent time on three guys in Makur Maker, Kai Sotto, and Isaiah Todd who were all heavily likely to take the straight to the Pro’s route. We’ve flirted with Greg Brown who is going to stay home. And if the reports are true basically ignored Clifford Omoruyi. So what was the plan? And why didn’t we target any more players that were going to likely play college ball? Did we just hate most of the rest of the big man crop this year? It has me puzzled.
Unless it is Evan Daniels, or Jerry Meyer everything else is lame info.
Or Rowland on football recruiting.
Or Rowland on football recruiting.
I am not convinced it is worth listening to anyone now. Even guessing, there should be a 50% chance of being right. However, I think they are all, including MJ, batting below .300.
Kinda hard to get reliable information when everyone is locked in their houses during a pandemic. How can anybody do anything but guess?
not sure how much time was spent on Maker, Sotto or Todd, but why discard Omoruyi...…...he would have been 5 fouls, maybe gotten some rebounds or blocked a few shots.
As for Haarms, he would have been ok to come in and score a few points, but he would not have been a shot blocker
why single him out...…….when everyone was wrong
if you don't like what he posts...…..don't read it
What in the world makes you think this? The guy was an outstanding shot blocker at Purdue.
I love how quickly the narrative around here switches from "he's the missing piece we need!" to "ehh, we didn't need him anyways" whenever we unexpectedly miss on a recruit.
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Things change; I understand people see that as a ‘crutch’ for someone to fall back on, but it’s just the truth. It happens. You can’t slam people for delivering information that they have at any current moment; if they didn’t report anything, then we wouldn’t have any idea what may occur or any potential possibilities to discuss until an actual commitment.
I would prefer to have some information—even if it may change or not be absolute—than nothing at all and constantly be in the dark about recruiting.
However, I am interested to see what occurred the last 48 hours leading up to all of this. Was it bad information that led people to believe he was coming to UK, or was it a change of heart by Haarms?
Regardless, I am a firmly believe that the culture of “being first” the last few years to report such commitments or information has led to premature reports that were not complete or simply rushed for someone to say: “[insert name] reported it first.”
I would prefer to have some information—even if it may change or not be absolute—than nothing at all and constantly be in the dark about recruiting.
However, I am interested to see what occurred the last 48 hours leading up to all of this. Was it bad information that led people to believe he was coming to UK, or was it a change of heart by Haarms?
Regardless, I am a firmly believe that the culture of “being first” the last few years to report such commitments or information has led to premature reports that were not complete or simply rushed for someone to say: “[insert name] reported it first.”
I tend to agree, however simply saying RR “insiders” are most often wrong and thus questioning when they make “predictions” isn’t bashing though? I mean I know a couple people may take it too far at times but most people just call a spade a spade.
Until a player puts his name on paper, don’t believe anyone. I’m shocked people still do
And most of these players will mention kentucky because of the attention it’ll bring them. Who the f*** would even be mentioning the name Matt Haarms, a guy that’s never averaged double figures or over 5.5 rebounds, if he didn’t mention Kentucky. No one would. Geez
I should have specified; my mistake. When I said “people,” I meant legitimate analysts (Evan Daniels, Travis Graff, etc.), the guys locally and nationally who cover all of this as a job, not anyone on Rupp’s Rafters. Regardless, you are right, saying someone was wrong about a prediction is absolutely fine and not bashing—but, as you said, we do have people who take it too far and those are the people I see doing the unnecessary “bashing.”
However, I think some of the analyst—this appears to be the case with the Haarms’ recruitment—tend to phrase or word their information in a way that can be construed as an absolute; when instead they should just simply state what they are hearing, rather than saying something is a certainty.
For the young man who initially reported Tuesday night that UK landed a grad-transfer—it was simply a mistake. He didn’t have complete information—from what I can tell—and he jumped-the-gun a little too early.
More or less, I’m fine with predictions and anyone communicating relevant information; we all just need to be certain we don’t consider any of it absolute until it occurs. And we certainly shouldn’t be too upset if something doesn’t end in our favor.
Same people saying “things change in recruiting that doesn’t mean the ‘insiders’ were wrong” were already filling out our roster with Haarms in the starting lineup.
If you guys are so well aware that recruiting changes whichever direction the wind blows, why put so much stock in what these guys are telling you in the first place? You know it’s bound to change. Wait to fill out the roster till these dudes sign and get on campus. Stop celebrating every prediction.
These guys get mad at me for calling them on their premature ejaculations and then act like it didn’t happen when things go sideways.
If you guys are so well aware that recruiting changes whichever direction the wind blows, why put so much stock in what these guys are telling you in the first place? You know it’s bound to change. Wait to fill out the roster till these dudes sign and get on campus. Stop celebrating every prediction.
These guys get mad at me for calling them on their premature ejaculations and then act like it didn’t happen when things go sideways.
Maybe we don't have insiders. Maybe players just like the cache that being associated with Kentucky brings. They don't actually have to go be with the best when they've proven they are good enough for the best. They blow lots of smoke and do their own thing when it's all over.
With all the posts I decided to slide to the end to make a comment. I just think kids are different today, they don't seem to be in awe of big time schools and for the better ones college is just a training camp for the pros. Lesser players like Haarms I think, doesn't believe the big stage is important in his life and if he has a chance at the next level it will be because of his size. I honestly don't think the kid that used to dream about going to some school exists today. Its about the money and the life style after one year or two at college and honestly in 5 years you will be able to find where someone writes a book on how many ex nba pro players are on the street because they weren't able to maintain their success and had no education to fall back on.
As a "non insider", I'll say that one thing I've observed is someone within the program has loose lips and talks too damn much. That creates a lot of this BS and has fans turning on people. "He's coming....." "Word from someone inside the program"--and those people need to be sent packing. STFU until something gets done.
Nothing is official until the player decides and signs/is announced (sometimes that isn't certainty either).
1 coach needs to also do his damn job and quit doing more media then the rest of Cal's Assistants have combined in the entire tenure or he can return to Mayberry for all I care. Maybe he can tweet out another ass kissing suck up move to Cal while others stay quiet as is preferred.
Nothing is official until the player decides and signs/is announced (sometimes that isn't certainty either).
1 coach needs to also do his damn job and quit doing more media then the rest of Cal's Assistants have combined in the entire tenure or he can return to Mayberry for all I care. Maybe he can tweet out another ass kissing suck up move to Cal while others stay quiet as is preferred.
I am sure that the guy is not stupid. He and his advisers/family no doubt could see what any reasonable gauge of talent could see. He likely decided that he is an AWFUL fit for Cal's system and likely would get very little PT. I just wonder what some of you people were thinking with wanting him. NO CHANCE of being an impact player here IMO. Novelty act...maybe. Critical piece.....not so much.
Or ever.
Point one - let's assume a person has real connections, which means someone directly associated with the kid in question and isn't just reading tea leaves, going with instinct, or parroting what everyone else is saying (which is necessarily the vast vast majority of 'gurus' - how many of them can know someone tied to the camp?). You ever dealt with an 18 year old kid? They can, like, change their minds, like, overnight, like over the silliest things. Again, assuming a particular guy actually knows what a kid is going to do at, say, 11 pm the night before he announces - kid can always change his mind. So the guy was right, but ends up wrong. Moral: trust no one.
Point two - putting all that aside, let's say someone is actually right with the info..the premium thing makes no sense as a business model. how many folks are going to pay so they'll know something at 4 pm that the rest of the non-paying world will know at 7 pm?
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heh. Sounds like you have a particular someone in mind, and it sounds like an easy guess as to who that is.....
That's always the excuse for him "everyone else was wrong why single him out?" Lol classic
ignore him he said Hagans was a gang member because he was wearing his hood up on senior night during Nate’s assembly and that he was taking orders from his gang leaders instead of cal
Just saying this because there are others who make these conjectures but yet know nothing. To me based on the staff's past recruiting over the years that they must hear things that keep them interested in some part with certain players only because no one knows when someone will change their mind and make the move. I hardly doubt that they stay on someone who is just NOT going to sign but Cal has spread his interest in more then narrowed it which to me is a good thing with all the unknowns today. And again heresay is not our friend as we have seen over and over.
Joel Justus. When he's not doing interviews, he's kissing ass, when he's not doing either, he's leaking info and talking like he's been with Cal longer than Robic.
Between that crap and the UK media circle jerk the other night....complete embarrassment.
never said he wasn't needed, he was due to just his size, but he was not an elite shot blocker, sure he would have blocked some shots, but so did EJ...…….would you call him a shot blocker. Plus I said from the 1st time he was mentioned that I didn't think he had the ability to play a major role at UK
where's your criticism of Jones, or those guys that posted yesterday that Haarms was UK bound
This is a big time big brain level assessment. Gotta give due to the guy.
He had one of the best shotblocking rates in the country (his per 40 block rate was like 4.1). If you think that makes him an equivalent shotblocker as EJ then you're kinda clueless.
And when they step on the court, I have no idea who they are anyway.
Even the predictions of what they will be able to do are often off-base.
So, just wait and see.
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