OT: NBA restart worries as Florida corona cases surge
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Reading these covid threads and it's incredibly clear exactly how we are where we are
You keep talking about herd immunity, but there are zero epidemiologists who are saying this will actually work as we don't have a vaccine and we don't have a large enough of the population exposed to the virus (70% of our population or 200+ million people).
We clearly have documented cases of individuals becoming infected for a second time.
We are a society know so very little about COVID, yet you keep harping on this point like you actually know something, which I am going to go out on a limb here and say you don't know jack about herd immunity and how it is achieved.
It's almost as if no one in our government had any plan to contain this virus. We aren't containing it now, just watching it spread.
Then explain why the % of positives is increasing relative to before there was increased testing
I just read through some of your recent posts. It seems you think you know everything and are smarter than us peasants here, so you explain it big guy.
Wildcatboston is an asst gym teacher at a division III college and he thinks he’s the smartest guy ever.
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That’s not how this works. If you’re being dismissive of facts then you need to show why the facts are wrong.
I’ve given my facts. Show me the”facts” of your statement.
I won’t hold my breath.
Aike is a pretty decent statistician, you might want to listen when he has something to say. And yes, herd immunity is a REALLY big deal. Even if there is a reinfection rate, there is little doubt that some measure of immunity is involved in a large percentage of the recovered population. It that was not true, you’d have 10’s of 1000’s of reinfected cases to back your claim. You do not.
The science specifically on Corona is pretty immature, but it’s not our first rodeo with viruses in general. There is no magic here. Both sides of the political spectrum are WRONG on their extreme responses. The ‘nuke’ did its job. The idiots that thought it was a non-issue were just that. It is, in fact, time for a scalpel not more daisy cutters. Some communities will have to react. Sports will need a plan when they do. ,
Not many people are going to read or respond to this post because nobody wants the evidence that this thing is unlikely to take over the country til a vaccine is found.
But to the point, and I'll post this for about the 4th time, do people realize that this virus is tabbed SARS-COV-2? Do we know what the 2 at the end stands for?? It is the second of this type of virus. The first version started in November (sound familiar), and the last reported case was in July of the following year, at least among the general public. There was never a vaccine made for it, it just went away. So there is supporting evidence that this virus could follow the same path, though it may take longer than July to get there.
The best news is really that even though the daily new cases havent really declined a lot, the daily deaths have. Today we reported fewer deaths than at any point since the end of March. We have also now logged 9 consecutive days under 1,000 deaths per day. Part of it is likely because the virus is weakening, part of it is because there are less of the vulnerable people to get it, part of it because we are much better at managing it, and lastly, part of it is because with the precautions that people are now taking, they are contracting the virus with much less initial viral load.
The key has always been the managing of the virus. Recoveries are not just more, but in general taking less time to achieve recovery. The virus didnt start out like the flu, but with each passing day it is getting closer to that type of infection. We really shouldn't be contemplating what will happen in 2 or 3 months, because it is impossible to predict what the virus will be like by then.
The msm dishonesty over covid is truly something to behold. Know why cases are "spiking"? Because we're testing lots more people, because people are going on with their lives, and the positive antibody tests are also counted as positives.
Yet none of that ever gets mentioned.
People will get it. It's inevitable. We need young healthy people to get it.
Yet none of that ever gets mentioned.
People will get it. It's inevitable. We need young healthy people to get it.
A statistician does not make for an epidemiologist...not sure where you are going with that, but whatever.
Yes, herd immunity is huge, but once again, we don't have a vaccine and waiting until about 70%+ of our population to get Covid is going to take a real long time.
We agree, the science around Covid is immature...further bolstering my argument that said poster has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to herd immunity...but yeah, he might be good with numbers.
I’m pretty sure I know who doesn’t understand the issues here. Epidemiology is squarely founded in statistical analysis particularly as relates to community impacts of the virulent agent, effectiveness of vaccine, treatment modalities and propagation disruption. But whatever. Everybody is a damn MD, PHD, Mathematician, Community Heath and leading conspiracy theorist since Corona hit the fan. You think whatever you want no matter how nonsensical it might be.
The goal was never to contain the virus. There was no hope to contain it once it got here. The lockdowns were to buy time and to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.
We know so much more about the virus now than we knew in March and learn more everyday.
My brother said the other day, “I’d rather get it now than to have had it in March.” We are much better prepared to care for COVID patients now than we were in March.
Now we are reopening everything, so of course numbers will go up. More people out, means more people will get it.
But now, more people are educated about it. More people are wearing masks and slowing down the spread that way. No, masks aren’t going to keep it from spreading, but once again, that isn’t the intent. Slow it down. That is the goal.
Now here is the problem, as I see it, slowing it down will keep us from developing a herd immunity any time soon. Slowing it down will save lives, but will mean we may have to sacrifice some of the things we love, like sports, for a longer time.
So some will be angry and will blame and point fingers and say this side or that side is to blame. That is human nature.
This being an election year means more political back and forth. The media for both sides will use it to further their agendas.
Meanwhile, we live our lives from day to day and most of us will live to tell the tale.
It sucks, but that’s life.
I just ask the Lord to give me one more day every day. That’s all we can do, pandemic or no pandemic.
We know so much more about the virus now than we knew in March and learn more everyday.
My brother said the other day, “I’d rather get it now than to have had it in March.” We are much better prepared to care for COVID patients now than we were in March.
Now we are reopening everything, so of course numbers will go up. More people out, means more people will get it.
But now, more people are educated about it. More people are wearing masks and slowing down the spread that way. No, masks aren’t going to keep it from spreading, but once again, that isn’t the intent. Slow it down. That is the goal.
Now here is the problem, as I see it, slowing it down will keep us from developing a herd immunity any time soon. Slowing it down will save lives, but will mean we may have to sacrifice some of the things we love, like sports, for a longer time.
So some will be angry and will blame and point fingers and say this side or that side is to blame. That is human nature.
This being an election year means more political back and forth. The media for both sides will use it to further their agendas.
Meanwhile, we live our lives from day to day and most of us will live to tell the tale.
It sucks, but that’s life.
I just ask the Lord to give me one more day every day. That’s all we can do, pandemic or no pandemic.
This was tried in Sweden and it was a flop. Their death rate way higher than neighboring countries. And the director of health apologized to the Swedish people for his error in not starting a lockdown like everyone else.
It's ridiculous that they're trying to squeeze this stupid playoff in anyway! The NBA just needs to accept that the season got cut short and focus on (hopefully) getting started again in the fall for 2020-21.
There is a logical approach to this. We'll never get to it because the extreme fringes are driving the bus for both sides. 'Never open' or 'kill em all' are not solutions that anyone outside of kooks will go for.
Past that I hope that people that think that the appropriate response to a crisis is to troll get the mental health assistance that they need. The level of misery you must live in to think that the dopamine reward you get when you piss someone off is worth the damage to society is really a shame. The fact that we have people that would want to drag people down to their level of misery rather than improve their own circumstances makes me wonder if we can ever recover from the current political climate.
Past that I hope that people that think that the appropriate response to a crisis is to troll get the mental health assistance that they need. The level of misery you must live in to think that the dopamine reward you get when you piss someone off is worth the damage to society is really a shame. The fact that we have people that would want to drag people down to their level of misery rather than improve their own circumstances makes me wonder if we can ever recover from the current political climate.
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I live in Florida and we ( not me ) just don't give an F . There is a reason Florida is the butt of every joke. But the NBA , like all sports are to big to fail and will go on. There will be players sitting out and missing 14 days here and there as they get on the Covid list ( similar to the injury list) but the NBA is happening. Sports will happen both pro and college but if you think fans will be the stands you just are out of touch with reality. I guess by October / November we might feel comfortable filling 30-40% of stands but it is going to be a year at least before people fill stands.
I am still in shock that something as stupid as "Because we don't produce enough duct tape to put over the mouths of the media mob" was uttered . I don't know if a single phrase sums up what is wrong with this country more then the fact someone could say that without blinking .
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I wouldn’t call it a flop. I’d say they didn’t do as good a job as they should have of protecting their most vulnerable populations.
67% of Sweden’s Covid deaths have been age 80+. 89% have been age 70+.
I think they got it right in allowing their society to continue to operate. They probably should have moved much more quickly to install new safety protocols at nursing homes.
Do you happen to know what their ratio of intensive care bed to population might be? They did march to a bit different drummer than the rest of Europe. I’ve never seen a good rationale to explain their initial reasoning. One thing that struck me is perhaps a bit more robust intensive care infrastructure.
i remember when everyone freaked out about "death panels". fast forward 8 years and now they are the most popular thing going.
Seems like the only player really pushing for the re-start is the one chasing his second ring in a truncated season.
It’s a complicated issue, but I think people were most freaked out about the withholding of treatment based on age and condition.
I would say there’s a difference between acknowledging that the elderly are more likely to get sick and die, and deciding not to treat them at an administrative level. Admittedly, the lines can get blurred.
At any rate, I was just pointing out that Covid has largely been an issue among the elderly in Sweden, and that there probably wasn’t enough done to protect that population.
That’s a good question, and no, I’m not aware of that ratio.
Hard to say if they miscalculated the risk to their nursing home population or were comfortable with the level of spread. If it’s the latter, I doubt anyone will ever admit to it.
I find it interesting that so many feel it’s a non-issue because it’s mainly affecting the elderly.
I think a lot of people would be in favor of a Logan’s Run type society where we kill off everyone when they reach a certain age so we won’t be “burdened” by the elderly.
It would solve our Social Security issue.
I think a lot of people would be in favor of a Logan’s Run type society where we kill off everyone when they reach a certain age so we won’t be “burdened” by the elderly.
It would solve our Social Security issue.
I looked up those numbers...Sweden has 5.8 ICU beds per 100,000 population. The US has 29.4 per 100,000 of population for comparison.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I think that shutting down our whole society because of a virus that primarily effects the elderly has been a mistake.
Doesn’t mean I don’t care about the elderly. Means I think we would have been in better position to focus on the elderly if the rest of society were not simultaneously crippled.
Back in February one of my teacher friends jokingly said that this was a government conspiracy to eliminate the elderly and to keep that Social Security money and that states wouldn’t have to pay pensions to teachers and other state and federal employees.
I thought I would plant that seed in the heads of our resident conspiracy theorists and let them run with it.
I thought I would plant that seed in the heads of our resident conspiracy theorists and let them run with it.
I'm not finding that people think it's a non-issue because it's mainly affecting the elderly.
What I am finding is that many people believe that it would be much more reasonable to isolate the elderly, while others continue to work, so they can continue to provide for their families, etc.
The majority of Americans over the age of 60 are already retired, and have less of a financial need to be out each day.
If it is possible to shut everyone down (as has been tried over the last three months), it is actually easier to shut down a smaller population (those over the age of 60), while asking those who must come into contact with those over this age to take extra precautions to reduce their own likelihood of infection, and spread of the disease.
I see your point, but I think we saved lives by slowing it down and allowing the health care system to prepare and get ahead of it.
That’s my personal opinion. We were between a rock and a hard place in March and April and that was the only viable solution.
Now we are in much better shape. We have a better understanding of the virus. We have more equipment ready. We have a better handle on what treatments work and which ones don’t work.
But, I didn’t lose my job, so it’s easy for me to say they did the right thing.
Knowing what we know now, that is a viable solution, IMHO. It is one that should be our course of action moving forward.
We didn’t know enough in March to do that. We didn’t have the adequate knowledge to do that. We didn’t really know how it was spreading and who was going to be affected. We didn’t know if it would mutate. We didn’t know if it would start affecting children. We just didn’t know much at all about it.
I would say that the data in March pointed to the same conclusions I’m drawing today, but because there was less data there was less clarity.
Even as the situation has become more clear over time, a great deal of fear mongering has continued.
I’m not opposed to making emergency decisions out of an abundance of caution. If we think a hurricane is coming, we might shut down. If it misses us, we immediately open back up. If it hits us, we clean up and try to get back to business as usual.
Covid is being used as a pretext to make fundamental changes to society that I find unnecessary. What may have begun as an abundance of caution for some has morphed into something substantially different, imo.
Very true. Leave it to politicians to make it political.
