I never did and still don't watch much of the regular season. But playoff ball is always really good, and vibes me mire basketball after ncaa ends. They do have issues they need to fix but yes, having the best players in the world is always a draw.
OT: Fixing the NBA
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I'm a nba fan from the 80 til a few years ago but its garbage 🗑 right now and going down fast. Gambling has decided who wins and if you don't believe watch it a few days. You can put 1000 on a team and they go down 20. Hedge it with 2000 and it goes the other way. I set traps to make money off of them but it's next to impossible to keep up and have fandem.
I went to a Lakers game not too long ago. Shocked at the number of people who were foreign. Guess I never realized this. Talked to several who made it clear they were there to see LeBron. Granted this was a unique player, but you don’t see that in other sports I don’t think.
Look at Super max players like Embiid and Leonard. They have played 0 and 5 games this year and Embiid got hurt yet again last night, ridiculous that so many of the stars who make tickets cost what they do never play,
Why have FT then? They should have to earn them and it would be impossible to cut out corner 3’s unless the line went OOB and that’s just silly.
Definitely and I do watch some NBA games if there are players from UK or someone I like playing. Overall I don’t mind it, but the season is too long and the stars sit too much, also they get so many ridiculous calls now it ruins the competitiveness. I think over reliance on the 3 has kinda killed some fun because if any team gets hot like Boston the game is over, they hit like 25 3’s during the game. I think hand checking should be legal in the pro game and call travels again.
Too many games definitely makes it less meaningful. Bucks started off very slow and doesn’t have to worry about making the playoffs .
Can’t really do that in the NFL. A slow start and the season is over or you will need help at the end if you do get it going
We have between 2 and 4 of the top 10-15 players of all time playing right now. Pretty wild. Granted it’s subjective
For me , the biggest issue is there are so many networks carrying the games you would have to spend 300 on different streaming services to watch all the games I used to watch on TNT and NBC (I think). On top of that, even if you have league pass that black out games on league pass and network channels....wth would they black out a game on a service I pay for (just to watch the game) . It's ridiculous
But the player driven league is the best thing ever. /s. Since the inception of letting the players run the show the NBA has seen steady decline.
Go back to 90s rules basketball. "Free flow" or what ever trash they call it isn't entertaining at all.
There is also a massive lack of superstars in the game right now. I can't think of one player that I would say is head and shoulders above the others. Hell it's hard to even name one that I actually like enough to follow.
No big matchups like Bird vs Jordan, or Magic vs Bird, or Hakeem vs Kareem. Now they all want to play on the same team with each other so that none stand out.
Extend the 3 point line.
Shorten the season. It shouldn't run into summer.
There are to many games on TV. I don't gaf about watching crapola vs crapola.
I could go on but it doesn't matter. I can appreciate the athleticism of the players and how easy they make the game look but it is all so boring without any real vestment of meaning.
Go back to 90s rules basketball. "Free flow" or what ever trash they call it isn't entertaining at all.
There is also a massive lack of superstars in the game right now. I can't think of one player that I would say is head and shoulders above the others. Hell it's hard to even name one that I actually like enough to follow.
No big matchups like Bird vs Jordan, or Magic vs Bird, or Hakeem vs Kareem. Now they all want to play on the same team with each other so that none stand out.
Extend the 3 point line.
Shorten the season. It shouldn't run into summer.
There are to many games on TV. I don't gaf about watching crapola vs crapola.
I could go on but it doesn't matter. I can appreciate the athleticism of the players and how easy they make the game look but it is all so boring without any real vestment of meaning.
You’re not going to fix it. It doesn’t want to be fixed. This style also permeates through youth basketball.
- Stupid iso moves where it’s just traveling
- Jack up a ton of threes
I hate it. I used to enjoy the game. I think it’s awful to watch. Ball hogs—load management— shitty officiating—- guys straight up do not care.
I’ve mentioned it before on here but I went and watched John Wall his rookie year against the Pacers, got to sit outside for $80. They walked it up the court while getting blown out— Wizards players laughing and cutting up on the bench—- Wall shunning fans as he left.
Guys straight up play like a pickup game. Half ass. Shoot all the time.
I will acknowledge that guys can shoot better than ever before. I don’t want to watch a game where it’s one pass down the floor and jack up a three.
- Stupid iso moves where it’s just traveling
- Jack up a ton of threes
I hate it. I used to enjoy the game. I think it’s awful to watch. Ball hogs—load management— shitty officiating—- guys straight up do not care.
I’ve mentioned it before on here but I went and watched John Wall his rookie year against the Pacers, got to sit outside for $80. They walked it up the court while getting blown out— Wizards players laughing and cutting up on the bench—- Wall shunning fans as he left.
Guys straight up play like a pickup game. Half ass. Shoot all the time.
I will acknowledge that guys can shoot better than ever before. I don’t want to watch a game where it’s one pass down the floor and jack up a three.
Agree on the three point line. Maybe keep the current arc but let it extend to the sideline.
There's always been 82 games. And that ain't going nowhere. What's happening is they have stopped playing defense and became casual basketball.
Most NBA teams give up 110 points or more a game ..
You had a better league worth watching when they allowed hand checking.
Rules need to be changed to emphasize on defense and make the games more competitive.
We watched when teams tried on defense. They don't so we won't..
Most NBA teams give up 110 points or more a game ..
You had a better league worth watching when they allowed hand checking.
Rules need to be changed to emphasize on defense and make the games more competitive.
We watched when teams tried on defense. They don't so we won't..
I watch parts of a game periodically and have done so for 15 years or more. Have actively begun to dislike the product and I believe it started when 'analytics' took over the game. Analytics say it's obvious that a 3-point shot is more valuable than anything other than a layup because, on average, a team should hit 1/3 of their 3s which translates into 50% inside the 3, where most teams don't shoot 50% (maybe because they're practicing 3-point shots?). Thus, take the 3 over the 2 unless it's a layup.
From a mathematical standpoint, that argument makes complete sense. It also means every single team is going to play the same style, i.e., hoist up a ton of 3s (league wide it's about 40-45% of all shots are 3s) or go dunk it. That makes for a lot of half court 'sets' boiling down to all 5 guys stand outside the arc and pass the ball around until someone jacks a 3. In every game, there will be a stretch where both teams miss multiple shots in a row and the NBA looks remarkably like most YMCA pickup games. If 4 straight series a couple of times per game in the NFL both teams threw bombs on 3 consecutive plays and then punted, you'd see the viewership decline for the NFL, also.
Yes, traveling and other officiating tweaks would help. Moving back the 3-point line (or eliminating it) would help immensely, also. If a team is expected to only make 28% of 3-point shots, then the analytics would skew back to running offenses that create 12-foot jumpers, not 26-foot 3 attempts. You'd still have the guys who are truly good shooters but you'd drastically cut down on the 'stretch' 4 who is 6'-11" or the 5 guys jacking up 3s when they should be in/near the paint. A 3-point shot in such an environment would actually mean something vs ho-hum another 3 - that's 16 for the game for the whoevers. In a similar vein, I don't like golf tournaments where the winning scores are 27 under and you have to shoot 6-under every round or better to be competitive. If everyone is making 7 birdies a round, then a birdie isn't that valuable. The same with 3-point shots. Sound defense is nowhere to be found in the NBA except in spurts and near the end of a close game. There are some terrific defensive guys in the league but TEAM defense is lacking, imo.
I ignore the politics of the NBA like I do Hollywood. Those people have nothing in common with me and they don't influence me one iota. Can't say I hate the WNBA as I've never watched a single second of it. The women's college game is more reliant on a lot of fundamental basketball vs pure athleticism but I don't watch that, either, except on rare occasions.
If the WNBA folded tomorrow, it would be several weeks before I heard about it. It's nothing to me. But, it's not because I scoff at the quality of the game. I watch more women's tennis than men's as there tends to be more rallies and it's a slightly more cerebral game vs huge 1st serve that is either unreturnable or pulls the opponent off the court so the server hits a clean winner on the next shot (it's so common it's known as the serve + 1 play in tennis). Also, I've played against players who hit their serve 75+ mph but never 110+ so the women's game is just a hair more relatable to my personal game (not that I'd win more than maybe a handful of points in a set and that would be because of their error not because I actually hit a winner). And, yes, I know there are quite a few women on the WTA tour who hit their first serve above 100 mph. But, many hit their 2nd around 80-85 while the men are 15-20 mph higher on both, generally.
From a mathematical standpoint, that argument makes complete sense. It also means every single team is going to play the same style, i.e., hoist up a ton of 3s (league wide it's about 40-45% of all shots are 3s) or go dunk it. That makes for a lot of half court 'sets' boiling down to all 5 guys stand outside the arc and pass the ball around until someone jacks a 3. In every game, there will be a stretch where both teams miss multiple shots in a row and the NBA looks remarkably like most YMCA pickup games. If 4 straight series a couple of times per game in the NFL both teams threw bombs on 3 consecutive plays and then punted, you'd see the viewership decline for the NFL, also.
Yes, traveling and other officiating tweaks would help. Moving back the 3-point line (or eliminating it) would help immensely, also. If a team is expected to only make 28% of 3-point shots, then the analytics would skew back to running offenses that create 12-foot jumpers, not 26-foot 3 attempts. You'd still have the guys who are truly good shooters but you'd drastically cut down on the 'stretch' 4 who is 6'-11" or the 5 guys jacking up 3s when they should be in/near the paint. A 3-point shot in such an environment would actually mean something vs ho-hum another 3 - that's 16 for the game for the whoevers. In a similar vein, I don't like golf tournaments where the winning scores are 27 under and you have to shoot 6-under every round or better to be competitive. If everyone is making 7 birdies a round, then a birdie isn't that valuable. The same with 3-point shots. Sound defense is nowhere to be found in the NBA except in spurts and near the end of a close game. There are some terrific defensive guys in the league but TEAM defense is lacking, imo.
I ignore the politics of the NBA like I do Hollywood. Those people have nothing in common with me and they don't influence me one iota. Can't say I hate the WNBA as I've never watched a single second of it. The women's college game is more reliant on a lot of fundamental basketball vs pure athleticism but I don't watch that, either, except on rare occasions.
If the WNBA folded tomorrow, it would be several weeks before I heard about it. It's nothing to me. But, it's not because I scoff at the quality of the game. I watch more women's tennis than men's as there tends to be more rallies and it's a slightly more cerebral game vs huge 1st serve that is either unreturnable or pulls the opponent off the court so the server hits a clean winner on the next shot (it's so common it's known as the serve + 1 play in tennis). Also, I've played against players who hit their serve 75+ mph but never 110+ so the women's game is just a hair more relatable to my personal game (not that I'd win more than maybe a handful of points in a set and that would be because of their error not because I actually hit a winner). And, yes, I know there are quite a few women on the WTA tour who hit their first serve above 100 mph. But, many hit their 2nd around 80-85 while the men are 15-20 mph higher on both, generally.
22-97 threes in this game … geez
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I'll be the angry old man and say it. I also hate that there are no classic uniforms anymore. You'll turn on a game and the home team is wearing orange (when it's not even one of their main colors) and the road team is wearing blue.
It looks so trashy. Like some rec league stuff.
It looks so trashy. Like some rec league stuff.
There it is, the humiliation pic In a dress to let them in the club.Who? This guy? Nah. LOL
Wow22-97 threes in this game … geez
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I watch any and all basketball when I can.
What I’d like to see:
Get rid of the defensive 3 seconds, allow hand checking & physical defense again, move the 3 point line back a few feet, shorten rosters, & quit letting guys who miss half the season make an Allstar game by fan vote.
Weird ideas that could be interesting:
Make dunks worth 3 points. Goal tending results in points plus the ball back. Flop is an automatic disqualification from the game. X amount of games must be played by a player to be eligible to play in the playoffs.
What I’d like to see:
Get rid of the defensive 3 seconds, allow hand checking & physical defense again, move the 3 point line back a few feet, shorten rosters, & quit letting guys who miss half the season make an Allstar game by fan vote.
Weird ideas that could be interesting:
Make dunks worth 3 points. Goal tending results in points plus the ball back. Flop is an automatic disqualification from the game. X amount of games must be played by a player to be eligible to play in the playoffs.
