Kid is a Class of 2025 recruit, who graduated early so he could enroll in Spring classes. Joined the Ducks to practice with them leading up to the Rose Bowl, was on the sideline during the game and has decided to hit the transfer portal already.
Oregon QB enters transfer portal…this is a wild one
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I love college football, but NIL/the portal is really making it harder to get as excited about things as I used to.
Ducks must have paid upfront - no need to stay if you can get another check elsewhere...
Maybe Ducks have a big QB coming in.
I don’t necessarily have an issue with portal.
Especially when it comes to young kids/underclassmen.
The issue historically isn’t portal and freedom of movement. The issue is expecting a 17-18 year old to make a big time commitment. Especially in context of collegiate sports where things change so much. Turnover…staff, players, etc…
Maybe this kid was led to believe something about playing at Oregon. Then he got in there and information changed.
The issue has been coaches being able to sell kids on something…playing time, scheme, “culture”, whatever…then they get in there and it’s not the brochure. But they’re locked in and can’t move until they graduate and have 1 year left.
QBs especially. They seemingly transfer more than any position. They’re most susceptible to getting screwed though just by nature/structure of the game.
In terms of playing time. Every other position except kicker/punter plays multiple people. The players further down the depth chart/rotation at any position will get special team run.
In terms of coaching/style/scheme. Again, QB more sensitive in terms how successful he can be.
I don’t necessarily have an issue with portal.
Especially when it comes to young kids/underclassmen.
The issue historically isn’t portal and freedom of movement. The issue is expecting a 17-18 year old to make a big time commitment. Especially in context of collegiate sports where things change so much. Turnover…staff, players, etc…
Maybe this kid was led to believe something about playing at Oregon. Then he got in there and information changed.
The issue has been coaches being able to sell kids on something…playing time, scheme, “culture”, whatever…then they get in there and it’s not the brochure. But they’re locked in and can’t move until they graduate and have 1 year left.
QBs especially. They seemingly transfer more than any position. They’re most susceptible to getting screwed though just by nature/structure of the game.
In terms of playing time. Every other position except kicker/punter plays multiple people. The players further down the depth chart/rotation at any position will get special team run.
In terms of coaching/style/scheme. Again, QB more sensitive in terms how successful he can be.
I have no issues with transferring for a better opportunity…whatever that player deems is important.
This one is a little different. Kid signs with Oregon less than a month ago on national signing day, goes to a few practices and the Rose Bowl and then bolts.
Other side of the coin…better to have him leave now than later.
So the kid burns Cal and then Oregon. In any other profession that would make someone damaged goods, but in football someone will pay him 10M to sign on. Strange days.
Dont know what Oregon paid him, but he wanted 10k and expenses for his family and advisor to visit.
This is the correction for adults making millions and millions of dollars over the last 30 years off these kids back.
Maybe he found out that Oregon was willing to pay Ewers 6 million?
What if he got there and realized he had screwed up? What if he realized he didn’t like his coach? I agree it is different. The top qb last year hit the portal and transferred from Bama to OSU. Saban left was his reason but this kid could have had reasons other than more money
This sport is out of control. 😂
Again… make these NIL deals enforceable by a contract with protections built in for both parties, and some of this nonsense will get reigned in.
It should but there is so much crazy money right now im not sure it would matter. Someone would offer a 1 year deal.
This is such a counterintuitive market. As a big spender you literally get nothing out of this. There is zero monetary return on investment. I thought we'd see market correct by now but its just getting worse. Much worse.
The portal is what allows this stuff. I feel if you fix the portal, you can fix a lot of this stuff with contracts after that. Right now it’s free agency every year.
Agree, but the entities that “supposedly” offer these NIL deals don’t have any control over how the portal operates. But they could put their deals in a contract with certain obligations the player must fulfill. Sure, the portal may allow him to transfer on a whim, but that doesn’t mean they can’t impose some contractual penalties if obligations aren’t fulfilled.
They guys want to be paid like pros, so they need to be treated like pros. Money gets paid when services are rendered.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What correction needs to be made? This is the way a free society works. You have the choice of playing college football and you know what you were signing up for. A free education, free room and board, and a chance to develop your talents at state of the art training facilities, not mentioning traveling and seeing the United States on a free dime. These kids are not ENTITLED to profit sharing. If they want to go down that road, they need to pay for their education, their room and board, and they should be required to pay for the use of the training facilities and the coaches expertise for developing their skill set.
What about the average worker that goes in and works for a manufacturing company. Is there profit shared among the workers? No they get their hourly wage and a few benefits. I can guarantee these kids are getting more than that while playing a game they love. You cannot tell me a 200 to 300 thousand dollar education is not adequate pay to these kids! The whole system is B.S. Go ahead and pass the buck for this crap to a student that is really struggling through college trying to just get an education and is not receiving all the benefits of these spoiled athletes.
One of two things….either Oregon let him know they were bringing in a starting QB thru the portal, or someone contacted him with a big offer.
Likely both these days.
That's why teams can never stop recruiting. Never stop upgrading. Never stop making them work AND PRODUCE for playing time, PAID OR NOT PAID.
Playing politics killed us this season.
Teams and sponsors need to have buyout clauses in these "NIL" deals. Make the contracts binding and sell the contracts to the next school interested. Force schools and/or new sponsors to buy out the old "NIL" when they want to poach players.
Teach these young men and women what contracts are supposed to be and how they work legally.
I have no problem with them changing schools once or twice if they need to do so, but not fulfilling a contractual obligation (IF it's actually IN the contract) legally is not acceptable, and they need to learn that.
Likewise, coaches need to be obligated to the players they sign. The player should know up front if their coach is likely to bolt or be fired by the administration and what the criteria would be for those situations to take place. Tired of that revolving door as much as that of the players.
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Yep. Bilas pointed that out today. Don't blame the kids for leaving a small school for more money and a bigger stage because the coach would have left too.
That is a shot at Stoops as well..... A&M leftover.
The problem with this logic is it cripples your G5 schools. They'll never be able to keep anyone good at their programs. I was in favor of allowing players to transfer if a coach left but under this existing system the rich just get richer. It's not surprising as a result that attendance at G5 schools is plummeting. WKU is our own backyard is a great example.
For the reasons you mention (which I agree with them), I don't have an issue with allowing 1 transfer without sitting out a year b/c I'm sure the coaching staffs lie to recruits all the time. However, after the first transfer, there should be a 1 year sit out UNLESS there extenuating circumstances...which I don't think the list has to be very lengthy... (moving back home due to family issue, coach leaves, etc).
That would help some.
There's lots of rumors about Texas right now. There's rumors Ewers is going NFL or that he isn't good enough is going to Oregon or Texas A&M. There's also rumors ESPN is trying to stir of Manning going to UNC if Ewers doesn't leave.
Wow. I didn’t realize that. Western Kentucky was way down last year and dipped another 10+ percent this year. Not surprising though. If you were a fan of one of these schools why would you bother?
It’s true. They become minor league/small market team being feeder teams for the big boys. Basically if you do find a gem, someone with more money will just take them after he does well for a year.
Why? UK and many others have had guys that couldn’t make it here transfer there and do good. Yes they lose their top guys to the portal and then they add guys from the p5 to replace them. I have seen analysts saying guys (esp qbs) are smart to go there for a couple years. Get some playing time and experience. Then transfer up into a p5 starting job. Instead many sit behind a starter for 2-3 years and aren’t ready to play when it’s time.
It is but I think this is different. This kid is a 4 star #107 on 247. This guy is gonna set on the bench at any top school for a couple years and prob transfer then. Why would a top team pay a lot for this kid to come be their 2nd more likely 3rd string qb for 2 years. I’m more in the boat that he seen he would prob never play there and left now, instead of in 2 years
I’m not sure G5 attendance is down strictly because of portal.
Attendance in sports has been trending down for a while. Lots of reasons that have been discussed on many different threads here over the years.
Also, a lot of players leaving P5 for G5 so it’s probably a wash.
I’m not sure about a sit out. That unfairly punishes the kid.
I do think some better organization/rules are warranted.
Like I said, kids can be hoodwinked. Be sold something, get buried on depth chart, or just the experience in general can be different than want they expected.
Underclassmen should be able to transfer.
Jrs and Srs need to have really good reason. Coaching change, playing time. Money also, but that gets into free agency type stuff, market transparency in terms of what positions are making. Can’t just say “So and so offered me xyz…” alright let’s see and let us counter.
Same goes for other side of that coin in terms of coaches just bringing new talent willy nilly and experienced players who have performed getting bumped.
All that essentially means there needs to be a professional structure with contracts and free agency period with rules.
Young kids sign temporary/probationary less strict agreements. Sophomore season it’s time for both parties to commit/lock in for the next 2-3 years.
Anything to distract Texas from their game. It was really stupid to let this early portal stuff happen and have a playoff afterward/during.
-They need to move the regular season to Spring, or just half of it.
-Play the first half until mid October and finish the season in the spring, March to mid April.
-Have the playoffs and bowl games in late April and early May.
-Have spring football in the summer.
-Have S&C/Rehab from October-February.
-Move the draft to late July.
-Instead of signing day/recruiting, they need a draft process for the P5, also in July.
-Players register for the conference they want to play in.
-They can make visits as they do now, except official visits go up to 12 possible with the intent on choosing a conference more than the team itself.
-They're evaluated for NIL and positional value pre draft and assigned that value.
-They get bumps to their contracts depending on what order they go in the draft.
-Teams draft them all, then the contracts are signed.
-The next week or two is trading. Teams buy the player's contracts, and players can decide if they want to leave or stay.
-Franchise tags can be placed on certain players. This can either prevent them leaving or add a dollar value to the school for their contract buyout which must be met for sale of contract.
Now it's all sorted
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The schedule of CFB I think will inevitably change. Has to. The structure now was designed long ago for a totally different game/business.
Have always thought season could and should start earlier. Summer sports dead period is an opportunity for a new market/ratings. No competition except baseball regular season which isn’t much.
Bowl season needs to be moved and can be the kickoff events like basketball has all the invitationals and classics.
Michigan Alabama would be a huge windfall and ratings monster in August. Whole rosters, nobody sandbagging…
I agree with that, but doubt he came to that conclusion by himself. It is more likely somebody at Cal said the same thing and threw money in to boot.
I've read your post several times and considered all your points.
I like it and see no issues with it as it stands.
It's too logical so it will never gain traction.
Anyone remember Bill Parcells saying that in the NFL people would find players going to free agency or being traded or just wanting out and buy the playbook and info from them etc.
just saying that first 27 minutes of the game was HIGHLY suspicious in how every play offensively and defensively for Ohio State seemed to know exactly what Oregon was going to do.
dont know for sure and even if he doesnt end up at Ohio State wouldnt mean he didnt give out info to them etc. just saying its something to ponder and cheating like this even happened with UL buying Wake Forests playbook a few years ago so its something that Oregon people should definitely ponder over.
just saying that first 27 minutes of the game was HIGHLY suspicious in how every play offensively and defensively for Ohio State seemed to know exactly what Oregon was going to do.
dont know for sure and even if he doesnt end up at Ohio State wouldnt mean he didnt give out info to them etc. just saying its something to ponder and cheating like this even happened with UL buying Wake Forests playbook a few years ago so its something that Oregon people should definitely ponder over.
So fans of those schools are supposed to get excited when they lose their top players to the portal? This is why these places are seeing substantial attendance declines (or at the very least I'd argue its a major contributing factor relative to bigger programs). If this existed in the early 2000s then WKU never would've had the core group that made it to a Sweet 16 in 2008. Courtney Lee would've been grabbed by a top program after his freshman year and other bits of that squad would've also. As a result, there would've been nothing for WKU fans to get excited about. Like sure, they could get someone who is a "diamond in the rough" that did not fit in at a power conference school but the odds are far more likely of them just getting everyone's leftovers and that's just not going to be a good product to get people to watch/pay money for.
