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Ole Miss tearing it up in the portal. I always thought Mississippi was a poor state. Where do they get NIL money from?

Why would he leave to go to Fla? Unless he doesn't like living in Mississippi, his program is better than Florida's.
I assumed Florida was a bigger job with more money, better in-state recruiting, etc. It was mostly said in jest. More than anything making the point 2024 will be his last year there as he uses a big 2024 as a springboard to the next big gig.

Which would also bring his career redemption arc full circle, right?

UT > USC > Fired > Rehabbed by Saban at Bama starting over again as a OC > FAU > Ole Miss > Back to a Blueblood job
 
I assumed Florida was a bigger job with more money, better in-state recruiting, etc. It was mostly said in jest. More than anything making the point 2024 will be his last year there as he uses a big 2024 as a springboard to the next big gig.

Which would also bring his career redemption arc full circle, right?

UT > USC > Fired > Rehabbed by Saban at Bama starting over again as a OC > FAU > Ole Miss > Back to a Blueblood job

Where he will fail again unless he grows up.
 
It's not about the money in the state, it's about the money that those invested in the football program have and how they prioritize that money. Generally speaking, fans of SEC schools in the south want to win so bad and they prioritize their money to do that. NIL money will always be tied to passion and how bad people want their school to win. Kentucky football isn't close to the fan passion that many other SEC schools have.
 
It's not about the money in the state, it's about the money that those invested in the football program have and how they prioritize that money. Generally speaking, fans of SEC schools in the south want to win so bad and they prioritize their money to do that. Money will always be tied to passion and how bad people want their school to win. Kentucky football isn't close to the fan passion that many other SEC schools have.
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They don’t give to NIL because of our AD. There’s always an excuse and a finger pointed elsewhere. Ole Miss fans stepped up. Kentucky fans made excuses, blamed Mitch Barnhart, blamed JMI, blamed Mark Stoops while bragging about not giving a dime to a collective.

Yep. Always an excuse not to pay for anything, because they want everything for free, but also want to be able to brag about it like they paid for it when it does well. Been that way for a long time.
 
One problem with UK is that they have snubbed their noses at a lot of small and medium businesses over the years. They've sht on them and demanded really high licensing fees. They as a school/program have only wanted to be associated with businesses that can throw big money at them.

THAT is one HUGE reason why people I know don't want to give them anything now. When they could've helped local businesses to thrive, they went to national firms and big name brands instead. They could have partnered with people on the local level, but instead they've buried them. UK has made that bed and now they need to lie in it.

If people want to give, they will, but I know why a lot of them, that would have given money 10-20 years ago, wouldn't send plasma at this point.

People/individuals may still give, but it's not like they're getting much of anything in return. It would be one thing if they were getting autographed photos or posters with their gifts, maybe even signed jerseys, but I've not heard of anyone getting anything for even a 100$ donation. Does $500 get you a handshake even these days? Lol

When it really becomes NIL, maybe the donations will increase. Maybe there are enough people that just decide to give because they know it's necessary to compete in college football, but a lot of people are already paying "seat licensing" fees that don't even get them a GameDay program or a t-shirt. If UK really wants to get the football players paid, they need to refund some of the seat fees for people that show they've donated to "NIL" collectives.
 
UK football doesn't need 1 or 2 billionaires

UK football needs a competent effective collective that gets 50,000 dedicated fans who give in average $100 a year. Just for football. That's $5M, what I've heard media & recruiting folks say is the minimum yearly amt now needed in 2023-2024 to build a top 20 talented roster.
Stoops just gave a shoutout to JRow after his rant last night, we had 70 new donors join the collective. That’s what it’s going to take.
 
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Louisville being the only major population center is a problem. Most of the cities major businesses send their money that way.

State population as a whole isn't great, Poverty.

Our love for football pales in comparison to the rest of the SEC.

UK started a year or so behind everyone else while our AD was hoping restrictions would come instead of accepting the new reality.

UK is in a tough spot. Joe craft has been amazing for UK but we need several more with his money and willingness to support UK. Seems there aren't many uber successful UK grads out there.
 
Traditionally the wealthiest of Mississippians are Ole Miss people. Then half their student body is from Texas a Georgia. Between the three plus others they have plenty of money
 
" Mitch isn't going to do anything that may not be on the up and up. "
The most important lesson I learned at UK: There is no reward without risk, but there can be risk without reward. Mitch needs to learn that.

MAY not be on the up and up. UK is being left sitting in the dust over stuf that MAY not be on the up and up. No one is being investigated for any of this collective stuff that I am aware as everyone tries to get a handle on it before it is legislated. Remder, these schools are ALL receiving Federal funding.

If UK won't take some calculated risks, we will continue to be left behind.
 
The most important lesson I learned at UK: There is no reward without risk, but there can be risk without reward. Mitch needs to learn that.

MAY not be on the up and up. UK is being left sitting in the dust over stuf that MAY not be on the up and up. No one is being investigated for any of this collective stuff that I am aware as everyone tries to get a handle on it before it is legislated. Remder, these schools are ALL receiving Federal funding.

If UK won't take some calculated risks, we will continue to be left behind.
What risk are you talki about specifically?
 
They don’t give to NIL because of our AD. There’s always an excuse and a finger pointed elsewhere. Ole Miss fans stepped up. Kentucky fans made excuses, blamed Mitch Barnhart, blamed JMI, blamed Mark Stoops while bragging about not giving a dime to a collective.
Barnhart ran off the boosters and has no formal plan to grow NIL because he personally doesn't like it. If you think not having the head of you athletic department providing infrastructure for something as large as NIL doesn't negatively impact our performance in that area, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
Barnhart ran off the boosters and has no formal plan to grow NIL because he personally doesn't like it. If you think not having the head of you athletic department providing infrastructure for something as large as NIL doesn't negatively impact our performance in that area, then I don't know what to tell you.
I’m sorry, but it’s pretty laughable to say that Barnhart ran off our boosters when you look at how much our boosters have donated towards facility upgrades.

As far as “infrastructure” goes, what specifically are you suggesting that Barnhart should have provided?
 
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Yeah, guys putting everything on MB isn't accurate.

Especially when it comes to getting money out of folks. Ya'll saw that 250-million-dollar football stadium overhaul and new practice facility.

New baseball, soccer, and softball complex...

New coal lodge and craft center...

CMS just got his "football only" facility. Which means the other sports that were using it have to go somewhere else, which cost money.

Every time CMS wants a raise for the big fella, he gets it.

You see the Memorial Coliseum renovation?

Folks, MB has done nothing but raise and spend money since he got here.
 
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I’m sorry, but it’s pretty laughable to say that Barnhart ran off our boosters when you look at how much our boosters have donated towards facility upgrades
How come literally only 1 guys name is on everything new if boosters haven't been chased away
 
Barnhart ran off the boosters and has no formal plan to grow NIL because he personally doesn't like it. If you think not having the head of you athletic department providing infrastructure for something as large as NIL doesn't negatively impact our performance in that area, then I don't know what to tell you.
Doesn’t give a dime to NIL, blames the AD. Always an excuse. This fanbase is still clueless as to how NIL works and pretends The 15 doesn’t exist.
 
How come literally only 1 guys name is on everything new if boosters haven't been chased away
That guy paid for it.

Craft gives a lot, and may be the biggest giver, but he's not the only one.

They didn't knock out 10,000 common folk seats and put up all those suites/lounges for 1 guy. Each one of those rooms has a name on it I'm fairly certain.

Remember the ole "Mitch only lets the rich drink...weh"? You think Joe Craft is in the Woodford lounge all by himself?

The guy has literally been criticized on here for catering to the rich...and now he's anti booster?

MB raises so much money the athletic department gives to the University. Receives no state funds. Totally self-sufficient.
 
How come if we have all these boosters did y’all spend years clowning the recruiting room? Weird that they couldn’t step up then. Where were these boosters when Florida was beating us 70-7 and 65-0? LOL at the foolishness Matt Jones sells this fanbase that is treated as fact.

Half of these dudes literally think Mitch Barnhart is in charge of collectives.
 
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How come if we have all these boosters did y’all spend years clowning the recruiting room? Weird that they couldn’t step up then. Where were these boosters when Florida was beating us 70-7 and 65-0? LOL at the foolishness Matt Jones sells this fanbase that is treated as fact.
This is a common fallacy when talking about this issue of money, who has it, who doesn't, who spends it where, etc...

Folks have always conflated money with winning. "Well we don't win enough in football so that means we don't have enough money..."

You can sit there and say we don't have boosters or money all you want, but it is fact that we do. You can argue MB doesn't raise money. He has 20 plus years of records, renovations, recruiting budget increases, coaching staff salary bumps, etc to prove he does.

The great thing about money, you can track it. Especially at a public institution. You can look up the operating budget and see. That's the great thing about money and double entry bookkeeping. There's a record.

The other great thing about lots of money, is you don't even have to go look at the books. Just drive around campus and see. Everything relatively new, and currently being built...lots of money...lots of boosters. All MB raising money.

You can look up the K Fund...it has its own website.

The new Coliseum reno alone is $80 million...and that's only 1 project of many that have gone down or are in the plans under MB.

Money does not equal wins. If it did the Ivey leagues would be dominating everything. Northwestern would win the B10 more...Have you ever seen their facility on Lake Michigan...holy cow, maybe one of the nicest in the country.

UVA has one of the wealthiest alumni bases in the country. Where they at? Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Stanford? Even Texas and Michigan who may be in the playoffs right now, but both top 20 wealthiest alumni basis, where are all their titles?
 
I believe Duck Dynasty Founder Phil Robertson went to Ole Miss and was backup QB to Archie Manning
 
How come if we have all these boosters did y’all spend years clowning the recruiting room? Weird that they couldn’t step up then. Where were these boosters when Florida was beating us 70-7 and 65-0? LOL at the foolishness Matt Jones sells this fanbase that is treated as fact.

Half of these dudes literally think Mitch Barnhart is in charge of collectives.
You sound awfully familiar…showing up in a NIL thread and bringing Matt Jones name into it…what happened to your last username?
 
You sound awfully familiar…showing up in a NIL thread and bringing Matt Jones name into it…what happened to your last username?
Matt Jones brought Matt Jones into this with his lies. Not surprising that you don’t want to address the substance of the post tho. Par for the course for low integrity posters who want to defend lies.
 
Matt Jones brought Matt Jones into this with his lies. Not surprising that you don’t want to address the substance of the post tho. Par for the course for low integrity posters who want to defend lies.
So, why did you change username?
 
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So, why did you change username?
So why do you defend liars? Why is it hard for you to stick to topics? How many message board points are you trying to score?

Stay mad. I’ll staying the truth about people who lie and put themselves ahead of the program. Good luck with your agenda.
 
So why do you defend liars? Why is it hard for you to stick to topics? How many message board points are you trying to score?

Stay mad. I’ll staying the truth about people who lie and put themselves ahead of the program. Good luck with your agenda.
Not trying to score any message board points. Not mad at all. No agenda either. Im not even sure what liar I’m defending as my post in this thread on my thoughts was about fanbase passion and how individuals choose to spend their money.

As I mentioned in this thread earlier, imo, NIL will never be about how rich/poor a state is. It will be about how the fanbase/big time boosters choose to spend their money. In the SEC, Kentucky is far down the ladder in terms most passionate fanbases.

To date, Stoops and Co. have done a great job of targeting a handful of transfers and the program has been able to communicate to the collective about who they are targeting. I just hope that UK can continue getting enough players with that approach.

What is my agenda again?
 
Not trying to score any message board points. Not mad at all. No agenda either. Im not even sure what liar I’m defending as my post in this thread on my thoughts was about fanbase passion and how individuals choose to spend their money.

As I mentioned in this thread earlier, imo, NIL will never be about how rich/poor a state is. It will be about how the fanbase/big time boosters choose to spend their money. In the SEC, Kentucky is far down the ladder in terms most passionate fanbases.

To date, Stoops and Co. have done a great job of targeting a handful of transfers and the program has been able to communicate to the collective about who they are targeting. I just hope that UK can continue getting enough players with that approach.

What is my agenda again?
Your agenda is defending your message board buddies and Matt Jones who pushed false rumors about NIL for the past year. Gotta score them message board points I guess.
 
Your agenda is defending your message board buddies and Matt Jones who pushed false rumors about NIL for the past year. Gotta score them message board points I guess.
You must have me mixed up with someone else. Not sure what I posted has to do with Matt Jones and these imaginary message board buddies I have.
 
Ole Miss just picked up ex-A&M DT Walter Nolan, said to be the #1 transfer prospect so far.
 
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