Oh My! Five UK Players Who Were Suspended Last Year Sue Lexington PD

[JHB4UK]

I just hope through the legal process the truth comes out.

The whole thing was very coordinated. Lex cop brings charges right before season starts, forcing UK to suspend 6 players. Then UL propaganda spreader Eric Crawford exclusively puts out the anonymous reports from the frat party. All involved are UL associated.

 

[Kybluedude]

Bottom line to me is the players were asked to leave a private party. Ok just leave before problems or police.

Instead they recruit additional players and return and trouble ensues. Not smart - do what your coaches and scholarship asks - stay out of trouble.

The race card post incident gets whipped out as an excuse. Yawn. Just leave and go elsewhere!

Apparently it appears some of the authorities may have messed up.

It’s just more poor publicity for UK over this old incident. Costs money for the tax payer.

All parties involved share responsibility in the incident. All need to accept that and move on.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I just hope through the legal process the truth comes out.

The whole thing was very coordinated. Lex cop brings charges right before season starts, forcing UK to suspend 6 players. Then UL propaganda spreader Eric Crawford exclusively puts out the anonymous reports from the frat party. All involved are UL associated.

Iirc there was heavy speculation the "victim" had an influential family that was driving the bs.

The timing itself was 100% coordinated. Such B's.

 

[Deli owl]

Whatever happened to " innocent until proven guilty " in the good old USA??

Maybe UK, and especially the Office of Student Conduct should actually approach these accusations against students in this manner instead of dropping their strong arm of (in)justice before actually knowing the facts of a situation?

Too much power with so little ability to investigate accusations of this type. This SC inexplicably caused great damage to these players reputation and their ability to improve their craft.

Lawsuit doesn't go far enough if it was my son being abused by the system.

Innocent until proven guilty is in court, not everywhere else.

 

[UK Cats Rock]

AND the UK athletic department. They did the real damage.

Because the UK athletics department goal is to hold out major contributors to the football team ....

 

[Soupbean]

That's fine but in reading the article he doesn't seem to be the primary focus. It is disconcerting how aggressively Lex et al pursued this when there wasn't a shred of evidence to substantiate it. Good people or not, these players were harmed by this incident and if any of what was stated in the article is accurate, those good people will be paying the piper.

Maybe, but we dont know all the details of what evidence they did or didnt have, circumstantially to react to a the time, only they do. They will always have more details than the rest of us because they were there in the middle of it, not reading about it and reacting later. So I'll hold judgement for now. I just know people like Donnel are to notch and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and know they were reacting to what they had in front of them at the time to make decisions.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Sue them for doing their job and investigating serious allegations of harm and threat of harm? LOL, sure.

The first investigation? Sure. Why do you lie and say there was a second investigation? They did nothing except blindly follow the cops lead and wait. Is UK required to have this policy? Does having a policy shield them from using their brains as well? Don't be a coward, answer simple questions.

 

[sluggercatfan]

UK Athletics has no control over the Student Conduct process.

Anyone who thinks the Athletics Department did this doesn’t know how the process at UK works.

But this individual knows everything , especially if it can make the best AD UK has ever had look bad.

 

[SpamburgerHamburger]

I hate having stuff like this going on around UK. I hope it's over quickly, or at least a very definitive ruling so there isn't a ton of ambiguity around it. I'd like to think they have a pretty compelling case to file this type of lawsuit with how much attention it opens them up to. But who knows these days. I'd like to see the speculation around this board stay to a minimum cause no one here knows anything about it more than gossip. But, that's not the way message boards work.

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

The first investigation? Sure. Why do you lie and say there was a second investigation? They did nothing except blindly follow the cops lead and wait. Is UK required to have this policy? Does having a policy shield them from using their brains as well? Don't be a coward, answer simple questions.

Where did I say 2nd investigation clueless one? Why do you guys always make shit up? I typed two sentences, nowhere did I say anything about a 2nd investigation.

Yes clueless one, UK is required to have this policy to be Title IX compliant. Federal funding is more important to UK than the feelings of weirdo message board posters who provide nothing to UK and have Barnhart butthurt.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Whatever happened to " innocent until proven guilty " in the good old USA??

Maybe UK, and especially the Office of Student Conduct should actually approach these accusations against students in this manner instead of dropping their strong arm of (in)justice before actually knowing the facts of a situation?

Too much power with so little ability to investigate accusations of this type. This SC inexplicably caused great damage to these players reputation and their ability to improve their craft.

Lawsuit doesn't go far enough if it was my son being abused by the system.

I agree. Why suspend the player until the facts have came out? Those young men were robbed of valuable game and practice time because of speculation. Also charges being filed doesn't mean anyone is guilty. So they were punished by UK for a crime in which they apparently weren't even guilty of.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Where did I say 2nd investigation clueless one? Why do you guys always make shit up? I typed two sentences, nowhere did I say anything about a 2nd investigation.

Yes clueless one, UK is required to have this policy to be Title IX compliant. Federal funding is more important to UK than the feelings of weirdo message board posters who provide nothing to UK and have Barnhart butthurt.

Well, they were suspended, the suspension was lifted, then they were suspended again - that means a second time. You just claimed they were suspended while Student Conduct investigated. So which is it?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I hate having stuff like this going on around UK. I hope it's over quickly, or at least a very definitive ruling so there isn't a ton of ambiguity around it. I'd like to think they have a pretty compelling case to file this type of lawsuit with how much attention it opens them up to. But who knows these days. I'd like to see the speculation around this board stay to a minimum cause no one here knows anything about it more than gossip. But, that's not the way message boards work.

What are you talking about? We know the grand jury dismissed the case in it's entirety. There is interesting info in this article I hadn't seen before. If UK Student Conduct was in control of this fiasco and university policy required the players be suspended after their arrest, I don't understand how they went back to practice a week before the grand jury decision and I don't understand how other players who have been arrested didn't face the same type of suspensions. @UKnCincy can you shed any light on this?

Grand jury declines to indict Kentucky football players charged after frat party fight

The six Kentucky football players who were charged with burglary have returned to the team after a grand jury declined to indict them.

www.usatoday.com

 

[cathouse]

Innocent until proven guilty is in court, not everywhere else.

Wow. So you are good with prejudging people based on what?

 

[Deli owl]

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Wow. So you are good with prejudging people based on what?

You see it everyday in sports. Suspensions before court cases resolved. This barely exists in our court system now. Humans are flawed and go in with preconceived notions. You may not like it, but it's true. that's why people try to move court cases to other counties. The evidence is everywhere you look.

 

[cathouse]

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You see it everyday in sports. Suspensions before court cases resolved. This barely exists in our court system now. Humans are flawed and go in with preconceived notions. You may not like it, but it's true. that's why people try to move court cases to other counties. The evidence is everywhere you look.

That doesn't make it right.

Just because it is happening elsewhere doesn't mean it has to happen UK.

Suspending these players based on hearsay evidence was simply wrong and you nor the other UK apologist can spin it any other way.

 

[JPFisher]

Agreed in general but there is no reason to rubber stamp what cops/prosecutors do without seeing the evidence.

Unfortunately, it's a "where there's smoke, there's got to be fire" situation... Even if the smoke is just some dude rolling massive vape clouds out of a Honda.

Red tape for inaction is somebody's ass.

 

[USMC Cat]

Will said officers be fired if the UK students win said caee? If not they should be. If I cost my employer multiple masses of dollars, Inwould no longer be employed by said employer.

This is how the “bad apples” problem never gets fixed. Either they don’t get tossed or if they do they get tossed into somebody else’s bath (another police department.)

If a teacher abuses a student, they don’t get to teach again. If a banker robs from the bank, his chance of being a banker again are slim to none. So why when cops are fired for gross misconduct or breaking the law do they get or go be a cop somewhere else?

Teachers aren't faced with life or death situations on a regular basis.

And teachers who are fired absolutely teach elsewhere assuming they weren't diddlying kids.

 

[USMC Cat]

Bottom line to me is the players were asked to leave a private party. Ok just leave before problems or police.

Instead they recruit additional players and return and trouble ensues. Not smart - do what your coaches and scholarship asks - stay out of trouble.

The race card post incident gets whipped out as an excuse. Yawn. Just leave and go elsewhere!

Apparently it appears some of the authorities may have messed up.

It’s just more poor publicity for UK over this old incident. Costs money for the tax payer.

All parties involved share responsibility in the incident. All need to accept that and move on.

The law makes it that way.

You can argue your way out of a traffic ticket 1000 different ways if it was worth your time.

I can say with 1000% certainty that polices are not followed to the T in a police department any more than they are anywhere else.

99% of time, shit is skipped or left out or ignored because if everything was done by the book, nothing would ever get done.

 

[jauk11]

Teachers aren't faced with life or death situations on a regular basis.

And teachers who are fired absolutely teach elsewhere assuming they weren't diddlying kids.

Now it has escalated to life and death situations. Maybe life and death to the student athletes' sports careers. There is enough competition on the UK team without being kicked off the team for months.

 

[gobigbluebell]

Because the UK athletics department goal is to hold out major contributors to the football team ....

...well, it certainly is becoming a pattern.

 

[jauk11]

What are you talking about? We know the grand jury dismissed the case in it's entirety. There is interesting info in this article I hadn't seen before. If UK Student Conduct was in control of this fiasco and university policy required the players be suspended after their arrest, I don't understand how they went back to practice a week before the grand jury decision and I don't understand how other players who have been arrested didn't face the same type of suspensions. @UKnCincy can you shed any light on this?

Grand jury declines to indict Kentucky football players charged after frat party fight

The six Kentucky football players who were charged with burglary have returned to the team after a grand jury declined to indict them.

www.usatoday.com

Didn't we have another student athlete that was sent packing after the Grand Jury dismissed the case? Sounds like UK ignored that, I guess they feel like they did a better investigation than the Grand Jury.

 

[K_TIME]

UK Athletics has no control over the Student Conduct process.

Anyone who thinks the Athletics Department did this doesn’t know how the process at UK works.

Then the university needs to re align the checks and balances.

Did the athletic program get to push back on student conduct process? It was handled wrong in the end…so what push back did this counsel get in giving one group’s side over the others. Did the frat get punitive restrictions like the players did?

This is why it feels UK feels well out of balance in our athletes at mercy of other discipline compared to Auburn , Tennessee, Alabama, etc. don’t know about rest of conference

 

[jauk11]

Not gonna address your lie I see. Typical fraud. Also you like to trash the UK administration and Mitch Barnhart but turn into a snowflake when you're met with the same energy. Again, typical fraud.

Lol, act like a snowflake.

When everyone on here is tired of my posts about the FACT that he did nothing of consequence for football in his first DECADE on the job. THE money cow. Which led directly to the FIVE years in a row without an easily attained bowl game, AND the disgusting TWO two win seasons. Which cost us 20,000 season ticket holders (counting the 5,000 or so replacements that bought good tickets suddenly available) and probably hundreds of millions of dollars counting loss of donations.

Why don't you TRY to contradict some of the FACTS I post, Name ONE thing done for football above the bare necessities in his first DEADE on the job. And the things to make a good program solvent again were financed by the OTHER SEC programs that had ADs that were paying attention. Although with his stand on NIL you have to wonder if he cares how much he hurts our multimillion dollar programs.

But thanks for asking, still lots of newbies that don't know what happened and that need to be informed. I'm sure a lot of my critics appreciate you asking for my FACTS again.

 

[bbncal02]

Teachers aren't faced with life or death situations on a regular basis.

And teachers who are fired absolutely teach elsewhere assuming they weren't diddlying kids.

I’m not saying every time a cop makes a mistake they should be fired.

But qualified immunity has got to end. And stop making taxpayers shell out huge settlements for when they do screw up. Make officers carry insurance.

 

[Deli owl]

That doesn't make it right.

Just because it is happening elsewhere doesn't mean it has to happen UK.

Suspending these players based on hearsay evidence was simply wrong and you nor the other UK apologist can spin it any other way.

I never said it was right. I said it happens all over. I also didn’t side with either side. You have me wrong. I don’t care if guilty or innocent. Sue, don’t sue. Jail, no jail. Doesn’t effect me.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Unfortunately, it's a "where there's smoke, there's got to be fire" situation... Even if the smoke is just some dude rolling massive vape clouds out of a Honda.

Red tape for inaction is somebody's ass.

There didn't need to be inaction. As soon as the cops were uncooperative, let them play. Its on the cops at that point.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Teachers aren't faced with life or death situations on a regular basis.

And teachers who are fired absolutely teach elsewhere assuming they weren't diddlying kids.

Usually those teachers are done.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Sounds like you should change your name to clueless one according to him. Welcome to the crowd. And don't wait too long for the answer to your question, I doubt if he has one.

Who is this arrogant ass hat? Acts like kybassfan.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

Magilla was saying and attacking everyone that the student council or whatever was what we were waiting on for Wright and c rod

That turned out to be completely wrong. Sounds like a 20 year old college student. Maybe an intern. Has three shreds of info and thinks he or she knows exactly whats going on all things UK.

 

[sambowieshin]

I agree. Why suspend the player until the facts have came out? Those young men were robbed of valuable game and practice time because of speculation. Also charges being filed doesn't mean anyone is guilty. So they were punished by UK for a crime in which they apparently weren't even guilty of.

Unfortunately everything now is driven by lawsuits or the potential of lawsuits due to the big $$$$ payments surrounding them.
UK had a legal responsibility to suspend those players in case the original allegations had merit. If UK knowingly allowed violent individuals to continue having additional access to the football program and one of them committed an additional violent act....The university has now opened themselves up to losing millions of dollars for allowing that to occur.
It's not about innocent till proven guilty.... It's about CYA and lawsuit avoidance.

 

[kenton71]

A test for which blue we really back

I'll always back law enforcement that work within the legal authority offered. If a law enforcement officer steps outside of that, then I believe they should be prosecuted themselves to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The message board lowlifes are crying because they don't get to lie and trash UK athletics in peace.

These liars tried to blame the UK athletics department for this, now they're trying to deflect. Running from the lies they told to forward their agenda.

You never answered me.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I'll always back law enforcement that work within the legal authority offered. If a law enforcement officer steps outside of that, then I believe they should be prosecuted themselves to the fullest extent of the law.

This. Noone should wholesale support anyone or anything.

Obviously I don't know all the facts but personally I think I would've just left this alone. Even with the grand jury declining indictment, there can be a resubmission (even if extremely unlikely).

Imo sometimes it's best to take your win and go home.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

This. Noone should wholesale support anyone or anything.

Obviously I don't know all the facts but personally I think I would've just left this alone. Even with the grand jury declining indictment, there can be a resubmission (even if extremely unlikely).

Imo sometimes it's best to take your win and go home.

I'll disagree on this one. If the officers acted in bad faith, they should be sued. That behavior can't be allowed.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I'll disagree on this one. If the officers acted in bad faith, they should be sued. That behavior can't be allowed.

I agree. It's just extremely difficult to meet the lofty burden in these cases. I just think this suit has more risk than reward. Again I don't know all the facts. Guess we will all see how it plays out.

 

[UK till Death]

I’m not saying every time a cop makes a mistake they should be fired.

But qualified immunity has got to end. And stop making taxpayers shell out huge settlements for when they do screw up. Make officers carry insurance.

Ending qualified immunity would lead to mass resignations in police departments nationwide and lead to crime increases that make the lawlessness we're seeing today look like child's play.

Policing is a hard, thankless job. Ending qualified immunity would fundamentally change this country forever, and for the absolute worse.

 

[bbncal02]

Ending qualified immunity would lead to mass resignations in police departments nationwide and lead to crime increases that make the lawlessness we're seeing today look like child's play.

Policing is a hard, thankless job. Ending qualified immunity would fundamentally change this country forever, and for the absolute worse.

So leave stuff at status quo? I’m not a “defund the police” guy because that’s just stupid. But stuff needs to change. Because crap like what happens to these players KEEPS HAPPENING

I understand policing is a thankless job. My uncle did it for 20+ years. He also did it the right way.

 

[USMC Cat]

Usually those teachers are done.

The ones who commit felonies, sure.

The rest teach again.

 

[USMC Cat]

So leave stuff at status quo? I’m not a “defund the police” guy because that’s just stupid. But stuff needs to change. Because crap like what happens to these players KEEPS HAPPENING

I understand policing is a thankless job. My uncle did it for 20+ years. He also did it the right way.

Police interactions with the public number approximately 4 million times a year...

You hear about .000001% of them.

So 'keeps happening' is a stretch at a minimum, but more accurately a flat out lie. Not to mention the amount of negative incidents continues to decline every year.

But that's probably because places like NOLA only have 60% of their department staffed... I'm not sure criticizing the few who actually are still on the force is the answer. Imagine working mandatory 14 hour shifts in that shit hole for $25/hr, dealing with the worst criminals and homeless drug addicts.

You signing up? Me neither.