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Oh My! Five UK Players Who Were Suspended Last Year Sue Lexington PD

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https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-...rat-party-fight-sue-lexington-police-officer/

"Andru Phillips, Vito Tisdale, Reuben Adams, JuTahn McClain, and Joel Williams filed separate lawsuits against the Lexington Police Department, the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government, Police Chief Lawrence Weathers, and two individual police officers alleging malicious prosecution, fabrication of false evidence, failure to intervene, conspiracy to deprive constitutional rights, and defamation. One of those officers is Cory Vinlove, who the lawsuit notes is a University of Louisville graduate."

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Lots of us on here thought something was fishy with how things involved. Hope those responsible are held accountable for any wrongdoings.
 
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entropy13 said:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-...rat-party-fight-sue-lexington-police-officer/

"Andru Phillips, Vito Tisdale, Reuben Adams, JuTahn McClain, and Joel Williams filed separate lawsuits against the Lexington Police Department, the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government, Police Chief Lawrence Weathers, and two individual police officers alleging malicious prosecution, fabrication of false evidence, failure to intervene, conspiracy to deprive constitutional rights, and defamation. One of those officers is Cory Vinlove, who the lawsuit notes is a University of Louisville graduate."

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Good for them. Was a joke how they were treated by the Lexington PD.
 
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Soupbean said:
You all realize one of those mentioned is Donnel Gordon a former Wildcat running back. One of the genuinely best people I've ever met.
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That's fine but in reading the article he doesn't seem to be the primary focus. It is disconcerting how aggressively Lex et al pursued this when there wasn't a shred of evidence to substantiate it. Good people or not, these players were harmed by this incident and if any of what was stated in the article is accurate, those good people will be paying the piper.
 
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Of the five players who filed lawsuits, Vito Tisdale, JuTahn McClain, and Andru Phillips are still on the Kentucky Football team. Joel Williams transferred to Memphis and Reuben Adams to Georgia Tech. Earnest Sanders, who transferred to Saginaw, did not file a lawsuit.
 
BigBlueFanGA said:
I thought UK had cleared them.
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UK did clear them initially. And then after that decision, the Lexington Police filed charges and said they had new evidence.

UK’s ability to investigate something is limited when compared to the police, so the Office of Student Conduct did the best they could and cleared them based on the evidence they had access to at the time. But if there is new evidence that emerges which UK did not previously have access to, then that will restart the process. Lexington PD said they had evidence but were then cagey about sharing it when in the past there had been good cooperation between them and UK.

The problem here wasn’t UK. The problem was that someone in the Lexington PD was acting in bad faith, and as a consequence of that, it caused UK’s normal process to drag on longer than it might otherwise have done so.
 
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UKnCincy said:
UK did clear them initially. And then after that decision, the Lexington Police filed charges and said they had new evidence.

UK’s ability to investigate something is limited when compared to the police, so the Office of Student Conduct did the best they could and cleared them based on the evidence they had access to at the time. But if there is new evidence that emerges which UK did not previously have access to, then that will restart the process. Lexington PD said they had evidence but were then cagey about sharing it when in the past there had been good cooperation between them and UK.

The problem here wasn’t UK. The problem was that someone in the Lexington PD was acting in bad faith, and as a consequence of that, it caused UK’s normal process to drag on longer than it might otherwise have done so.
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I get all that but who was responsible for the 2nd suspension? I've never seen anything referring to Student Conduct renewing their investigation. As far as UK was concerned, there was no new evidence since it wasn't shared. I've never believed they should have been suspended the 2nd time.
 
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BigBlueFanGA said:
I get all that but who was responsible for the 2nd suspension? I've never seen anything referring to Student Conduct renewing their investigation. As far as UK was concerned, there was no new evidence since it wasn't shared. I've never believed they should have been suspended the 2nd time.
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The minute UK becomes aware of any criminal charges filed against a student, the Office of Student Conduct gets involved and athletes will be withheld until that process is resolved. That’s standard procedure.

The problem for our players is that simply by filing charges, the police were asserting new evidence existed which put UK in a holding pattern until they received that evidence. In the past, there was sharing between the two, but in this case the police officer involved stonewalled them.

For example, when the hearing board first cleared Tisdale of having a weapon, the key reason they made that determination was because none of the police reports in the hearing packet made any reference to a weapon. As far as UK could tell, Tisdale having a gun was simply hearsay.

Now of all of a sudden, you have the police asserting Tisdale in fact did have a weapon and they are pursuing charges. That would mean that the police must have some new evidence that wasn’t available previously. If true, that would also mean that Tisdale and the other lied to UK investigators.

That is, unless you have a situation where the police are acting in bad faith which is what actually happened. If I were a cynical man, I’d say that the officer handling this case knew exactly how to short circuit UK’s process.
 
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UKnCincy said:
The minute UK becomes aware of any criminal charges filed against a student, the Office of Student Conduct gets involved and athletes will be withheld until that process is resolved. That’s standard procedure.

The problem for our players is that simply by filing charges, the police were asserting new evidence existed which put UK in a holding pattern until they received that evidence. In the past, there was sharing between the two, but in this case the police officer involved stonewalled them.

For example, when the hearing board first cleared Tisdale of having a weapon, the key reason they made that determination was because none of the police reports in the hearing packet made any reference to a weapon. As far as UK could tell, Tisdale having a gun was simply hearsay.

Now of all of a sudden, you have the police asserting Tisdale in fact did have a weapon and they are pursuing charges. That would mean that the police must have some new evidence that wasn’t available previously. If true, that would also mean that Tisdale and the other lied to UK investigators.

That is, unless you have a situation where the police are acting in bad faith which is what actually happened. If I were a cynical man, I’d say that the officer handling this case knew exactly how to short circuit UK’s process.
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Perhaps UK shouldn't act in an automated fashion in a situation like this where authorities are refusing to cooperate. I'm pro-police but I don't think it's ever a good idea to automatically assume cops are acting in good faith.
 
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UKnCincy said:
The minute UK becomes aware of any criminal charges filed against a student, the Office of Student Conduct gets involved and athletes will be withheld until that process is resolved. That’s standard procedure.

The problem for our players is that simply by filing charges, the police were asserting new evidence existed which put UK in a holding pattern until they received that evidence. In the past, there was sharing between the two, but in this case the police officer involved stonewalled them.

For example, when the hearing board first cleared Tisdale of having a weapon, the key reason they made that determination was because none of the police reports in the hearing packet made any reference to a weapon. As far as UK could tell, Tisdale having a gun was simply hearsay.

Now of all of a sudden, you have the police asserting Tisdale in fact did have a weapon and they are pursuing charges. That would mean that the police must have some new evidence that wasn’t available previously. If true, that would also mean that Tisdale and the other lied to UK investigators.

That is, unless you have a situation where the police are acting in bad faith which is what actually happened. If I were a cynical man, I’d say that the officer handling this case knew exactly how to short circuit UK’s process.
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Whatever happened to " innocent until proven guilty " in the good old USA??

Maybe UK, and especially the Office of Student Conduct should actually approach these accusations against students in this manner instead of dropping their strong arm of (in)justice before actually knowing the facts of a situation?

Too much power with so little ability to investigate accusations of this type. This SC inexplicably caused great damage to these players reputation and their ability to improve their craft.

Lawsuit doesn't go far enough if it was my son being abused by the system.
 
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cathouse said:
Whatever happened to " innocent until proven guilty " in the good old USA??

Maybe UK, and especially the Office of Student Conduct should actually approach these accusations against students in this manner instead of dropping their strong arm of (in)justice before actually knowing the facts of a situation?

Too much power with so little ability to investigate accusations of this type. This SC inexplicably caused great damage to these players reputation and their ability to improve their craft.

Lawsuit doesn't go far enough if it was my son being abused by the system.
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Yes. Suing UK as well would highlight the lack of cooperation between Lexington PD and UK, if nothing else. Sue them all, let God sort it out.
 
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Adding that one of the officers went to Louisville sounds like an excuse Louisville fans would use against UK. Everything is a UK conspiracy against them, even when they used hookers. Having said that, it sounds as though the PD might've acted improperly which lead to a false narrative created by Eric Crawford who interviewed the frat and quickly got their side out. After that, the narrative locally became "innocent frat brothers invaded by thug football players, one of which had a gun, because you know, thugs." One side was punished and vilified, while the other side was treated as innocents who were in the middle of bible study.
 
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Will said officers be fired if the UK students win said caee? If not they should be. If I cost my employer multiple masses of dollars, Inwould no longer be employed by said employer.

This is how the “bad apples” problem never gets fixed. Either they don’t get tossed or if they do they get tossed into somebody else’s bath (another police department.)

If a teacher abuses a student, they don’t get to teach again. If a banker robs from the bank, his chance of being a banker again are slim to none. So why when cops are fired for gross misconduct or breaking the law do they get or go be a cop somewhere else?
 
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BigBlueFanGA said:
Perhaps UK shouldn't act in an automated fashion in a situation like this where authorities are refusing to cooperate. I'm pro-police but I don't think it's ever a good idea to automatically assume cops are acting in good faith.
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With Title ix and presumably other facets of universities, they utilize "Preponderance of Evidence" as the basis for guilt. Contrary to beyond a reasonable doubt.

Well-intentioned to give women and minorities teeth in fighting for egalitarianism on their campuses, but doesn't bode well for any falsely accused. Universities just don't have the resources to conduct thorough investigations – nor should they be expected to.
 
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UKnCincy said:
UK Athletics has no control over the Student Conduct process.

Anyone who thinks the Athletics Department did this doesn’t know how the process at UK works.
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These ignorant goofs are oblivious to how things really work. They just spew lies to fit the narrative they made up for their agenda. I guess they love looking stupid.
 
Magilla Gorillla said:
Magilla Gorillla said:
These ignorant goofs are oblivious to how things really work. They just spew lies to fit the narrative they made up for their agenda. I guess they love looking stupid.
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Magilla Gorillla said:
More lies from the clueless one. It's almost like he's allergic to telling the truth.
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Smashcat said:
Of the five players who filed lawsuits, Vito Tisdale, JuTahn McClain, and Andru Phillips are still on the Kentucky Football team. Joel Williams transferred to Memphis and Reuben Adams to Georgia Tech. Earnest Sanders, who transferred to Saginaw, did not file a lawsuit.
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Magilla Gorillla said:
These ignorant goofs are oblivious to how things really work. They just spew lies to fit the narrative they made up for their agenda. I guess they love looking stupid.
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More lies from the clueless one. It's almost like he's allergic to telling the trutht
UKnCincy said:
UK did clear them initially. And then after that decision, the Lexington Police filed charges and said they had new evidence.

UK’s ability to investigate something is limited when compared to the police, so the Office of Student Conduct did the best they could and cleared them based on the evidence they had access to at the time. But if there is new evidence that emerges which UK did not previously have access to, then that will restart the process. Lexington PD said they had evidence but were then cagey about sharing it when in the past there had been good cooperation between them and UK.

The problem here wasn’t UK. The problem was that someone in the Lexington PD was acting in bad faith, and as a consequence of that, it caused UK’s normal process to drag on longer than it might otherwise have done so.
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Like drag on for how many months? And if crimes were committed why did the case grow cold, nothing was happening until the football season was getting started? If there were really crimes committed why did they wait until the players started practice for the season before starting all the new allegations? To inflict maximum damage?
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JPFisher said:
With Title ix and presumably other facets of universities, they utilize "Preponderance of Evidence" as the basis for guilt. Contrary to beyond a reasonable doubt.

Well-intentioned to give women and minorities teeth in fighting for egalitarianism on their campuses, but doesn't bode well for any falsely accused. Universities just don't have the resources to conduct thorough investigations – nor should they be expected to.
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Agreed in general but there is no reason to rubber stamp what cops/prosecutors do without seeing the evidence.
 
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