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Official Tom Brady GOAT thread

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He is now a FOUR TIME Super Bowl winner and rallied his team from ten down in the fourth quarter against the Legion of Boom. Did you what Peyton did against that same defense? Sherman is definitely mad bro? Brady transcends greatness and is officially the Michael Jordan of football. I'm a Bengals fan but Tom Brady has shown us greatness again. However, that play-call was so awful, you almost wonder whether that was scripted. How do you not give it to the hottest RB? Brady to win six rings and will break most, if not all of Peyton's records since Brady will play a few years longer than Manning. Brady = GOAT.
 
Winning four and not losing (Montana and Bradshaw) is better than winning 4 and losing two times.

I think it's crazy to credit one player, even a QB, for a football victory anyway. What does Brady have to do with NE's run defense or pass rush? What does he have to do with field goal kicking or kick coverage? He's not even on the field for 60% of the plays. In basketball, only 5 guys, everyone plays both ways - maybe then you can give the star credit for team success. In football? No way....
 
I watched the last 6 minutes of this season and that included Brady slicing up Seattle like an expensive wedding cake.
 
Their both great and HOFr's. I'm a bit biased strange as that is to say. After all Manning is a UT alum. But he's one of us now. The differences between my being a UK fan and a Bronco fan have narrowed greatly over the last 36 years. Colorado
is my chosen and beloved home. In some ways I live and die with the blue and, (choking here) orange almost as much as the Big Blue. Almost. Manning may have had his best years, and gotten his ring in Indy, but he had his best season, one for the ages, in Denver. He's a Bronco now. Brady's got a lot more rings so I have to give him his due. Winning two more though? I don't think so. Who knows maybe Peyton will return, we should know this week, and maybe the Bronco's will get it done in a year I think they won't, but I think last year was our best shot with him. I knew it wasn't to be as soon as I saw that bungled snap. It just spiraled downhill from there. It's losses though that define who the real fans are. UK and the Bronco's. That's sports to me. With the Reds being a distant 3rd despite the Rockies. I really don't give a sh!t about the NBA.


And that was a stupendously stupid call. It really makes one wonder about "professional" sports.
 
It is hard not to mention Brady and Montana in the same sentence. Brady broke Montana's record tonight of most touchdowns in career Superbowl appearances (although it took Brady six appearances to Montana's four appearances) and most completions in a Superbowl (individual game). Brady also holds the records for most pass completions and yardage for career Superbowl appearances.

Manning is a beast as far as career numbers, but he has consistently choked in big games whereas Brady has typically excelled.
 
Originally posted by JonathanUSAF:
It is hard not to mention Brady and Montana in the same sentence. Brady broke Montana's record tonight of most touchdowns in career Superbowl appearances (although it took Brady six appearances to Montana's four appearances) and most completions in a Superbowl (individual game). Brady also holds the records for most pass completions and yardage for career Superbowl appearances.

Manning is a beast as far as career numbers, but he has consistently choked in big games whereas Brady has typically excelled.
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Good post.

So the guy who said Elway, what's his deal? Is it like a shock jock wanting attention? Dude is literally the biggest idiot in every thread. Figure he has to be trolling.
 
Montana won his rings when there wasn't a salary cap to break up his team. Brady just won his fourth title a decade after his last one and with a completely different team. There were no offensive stars on this offense other than Brady.

It's hard not to go with Brady as GOAT.
 
Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
Montana won his rings when there wasn't a salary cap to break up his team. Brady just won his fourth title a decade after his last one and with a completely different team. There were no offensive stars on this offense other than Brady.

It's hard not to go with Brady as GOAT.
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Good point. Outside of Brady their offense really was not a play off caliber offense. With Brady the tore apart the best defense in the NFL. And it's not just this year. Brady has had a new OL, new RBs and new receivers almost every year and the team doesn't miss a beat.
 
I think you can make a case for several.

But one thing with Brady. He hasn't had any WR close to the level of Jerry Rice or John Taylor.

He has won Super Bowls with these people as his starting WRs:

David Patten, Troy Brown
Troy Brown, Deion Branch
Deion Branch, David Givens
Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola

Not saying that is the only factor, just that Brady has never had a superstar WR (and his RB's are just okay too).
 
The play when Tom Brady intercepted that pass at the goal line is what makes him the greatest QB IMO. He single handedly won the game. No one else.
 
The Patriots suck. The pass interference on the goal line interception should have been called. Probably paid the refs more than that spy gate guy or the needle guy that sucks Brady's balls flat. He and Belicheat are the GOAT at cheating.
 
Originally posted by BHORN03:
The Patriots suck. The pass interference on the goal line interception should have been called. Probably paid the refs more than that spy gate guy or the needle guy that sucks Brady's balls flat. He and Belicheat are the GOAT at cheating.
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What? That was clean. The defender has every right to go for the ball.
 
Originally posted by JBHolmesfan:
The play when Tom Brady intercepted that pass at the goal line is what makes him the greatest QB IMO. He single handedly won the game. No one else.
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LOL. Also I love your Sig photo!! love all 3 those teams.
 
Originally posted by BHORN03:
The Patriots suck. The pass interference on the goal line interception should have been called. Probably paid the refs more than that spy gate guy or the needle guy that sucks Brady's balls flat. He and Belicheat are the GOAT at cheating.
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This post reeks of sour grapes but your bit about a needle guy who sucks Brady's balls flat literally made me laugh.
 
Originally posted by BHORN03:
The Patriots suck. The pass interference on the goal line interception should have been called. Probably paid the refs more than that spy gate guy or the needle guy that sucks Brady's balls flat. He and Belicheat are the GOAT at cheating.
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Pass interference? The defender has just as much right to the ball as the receiver when it's in the air and he didn't run through the receiver to get the ball. If anything it was offensive PI. I don't care which team won, my team was out of it a long time ago.
 
Lakercat likes the Patriots, Wildcats, Lakers, and the Yankees. What a winner.
 
Originally posted by lakercat:
He is now a FOUR TIME Super Bowl winner and rallied his team from ten down in the fourth quarter against the Legion of Boom. Did you what Peyton did against that same defense? Sherman is definitely mad bro? Brady transcends greatness and is officially the Michael Jordan of football. I'm a Bengals fan but Tom Brady has shown us greatness again. However, that play-call was so awful, you almost wonder whether that was scripted. How do you not give it to the hottest RB? Brady to win six rings and will break most, if not all of Peyton's records since Brady will play a few years longer than Manning. Brady = GOAT.
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Not hardly. Don't forget, he just tied Joe Montana who actually is the greatest....
 
I was blown away that Seattle's offensive coordinator didn't win the MVP honors for the patriots. I mean he came in there and did as good a job as he could to ensure a Patriots win.
 
Originally posted by Mojocat:
Winning four and not losing (Montana and Bradshaw) is better than winning 4 and losing two times.

I think it's crazy to credit one player, even a QB, for a football victory anyway. What does Brady have to do with NE's run defense or pass rush? What does he have to do with field goal kicking or kick coverage? He's not even on the field for 60% of the plays. In basketball, only 5 guys, everyone plays both ways - maybe then you can give the star credit for team success. In football? No way....
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How is getting to 6 Super Bowls worse than getting to 4? But I agree, you can't judge a player in football by wins which is why Marino or Elway is the greatest ever. Heck, if Rodgers keeps playing he may end up being the best.

Look at the defenses, wr's and running backs that Marino played with, those teams were basically him going 1 v 22.
 
Originally posted by BigBlueCatNation:

Originally posted by lakercat:
He is now a FOUR TIME Super Bowl winner and rallied his team from ten down in the fourth quarter against the Legion of Boom. Did you what Peyton did against that same defense? Sherman is definitely mad bro? Brady transcends greatness and is officially the Michael Jordan of football. I'm a Bengals fan but Tom Brady has shown us greatness again. However, that play-call was so awful, you almost wonder whether that was scripted. How do you not give it to the hottest RB? Brady to win six rings and will break most, if not all of Peyton's records since Brady will play a few years longer than Manning. Brady = GOAT.
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Not hardly. Don't forget, he just tied Joe Montana who actually is the greatest....
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Montana was a great QB who had the greatest supporting cast of anyone in the all time QB discussion. John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Dwight Clark. And he had great defenses. There are a lot of QBs that could have won four with those teams. Guys like Elway and Marino did it with much lesser talent around them.
 
Brady had Randy Moss, who at th time was definitely as superstar WR. No they didn't win that year despite going 19-1, because they were too mesmerized by Eli Manning blank stare... But he definitely had a star WR
 
Last drive of the Superbowl. You need a td to win. The best ever is Montana. Elway is a close second. Brady is in the conversation.
 
Brady's Superbowl wins ended 3 times with his kicker finishing the job for him and last night it ended with the other team handing it to him. Brady was a decent QB that developed into a great QB and is in the conversation of top 5 QBs but not GOAT
 
Originally posted by Mojocat:
Winning four and not losing (Montana and Bradshaw) is better than winning 4 and losing two times.

I think it's crazy to credit one player, even a QB, for a football victory anyway. What does Brady have to do with NE's run defense or pass rush? What does he have to do with field goal kicking or kick coverage? He's not even on the field for 60% of the plays. In basketball, only 5 guys, everyone plays both ways - maybe then you can give the star credit for team success. In football? No way....
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I don't understand this argument. So you're saying it's more of an accomplishment to lose in the conference championship than it is to win it and get to the Super Bowl?
 
Originally posted by Mojocat:
Winning four and not losing (Montana and Bradshaw) is better than winning 4 and losing two times.

I think it's crazy to credit one player, even a QB, for a football victory anyway. What does Brady have to do with NE's run defense or pass rush? What does he have to do with field goal kicking or kick coverage? He's not even on the field for 60% of the plays. In basketball, only 5 guys, everyone plays both ways - maybe then you can give the star credit for team success. In football? No way....
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No it's not. The other 2 years in the super bowl completely outweigh the other teams not making it that far. Getting there and losing far outweighs not even getting there. That's like saying 4 NC in basketball and 2 runner ups is worse than 4 NC and 2 NIT bids.
 
Finally, someone who gets it in this thread. There are a lot of butthurt fans in this thread that would hate Brady no matter what he has done. He has to be in the discussion as GOAT. If you can't put him in the discussion, I seriously question your football knowledge.
 
Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
Montana won his rings when there wasn't a salary cap to break up his team. Brady just won his fourth title a decade after his last one and with a completely different team. There were no offensive stars on this offense other than Brady.

It's hard not to go with Brady as GOAT.
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I think Gronk is definitely a star. He's right there with Jimmy Graham as the best TE in the league. But I would definitely agree that for the majority of his career, Brady has played with much lesser offensive talent around him.
 
GOAT is really generational...

How can you know for sure if Tom Brady is better than Joe Montana...played in different times with different types of players, in different systems, different types of coaches, against different types of defenses and players...different rules, etc...

Tom Brady is probably the best QB in this current era of football...post Montana, Elway, etc...

Joe Montana didn't have salary cap...he had Jerry Rice catching...he had some real rough riders on defense to help him...but defenses were allowed to do a lot more back then...they could really rough up receivers and hit the QB...

Tom is playing in a QB and offensive friendly era...also playing in a salary cap era, can't really afford to put a lot of exceptional talent around him...

Some day 20 years from now, folks will be arguing about whether or not some QB who is currently in grade school is better than Tom Brady...
 
Hard to ignore Brady has played in more super bowls than anybody. That in itself is the greatest accomplishment of any QB in history. He won as many as anybody and he got there more than anybody Hard to belittle that accomplishment. I mean if you think about it even Ali lost the title to Frazier and came back to win again.
 
Originally posted by kb22stang:

How is getting to 6 Super Bowls worse than getting to 4?
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Originally posted by uk_fan_in_tn:
Originally posted by Mojocat:
Winning four and not losing (Montana and Bradshaw) is better than winning 4 and losing two times.
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I don't understand this argument. So you're saying it's more of an accomplishment to lose in the conference championship than it is to win it and get to the Super Bowl?
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Originally posted by docinjax:

Originally posted by Mojocat:
Winning four and not losing (Montana and Bradshaw) is better than winning 4 and losing two times.




No it's not. The other 2 years in the super bowl completely outweigh the other teams not making it that far. Getting there and losing far outweighs not even getting there. That's like saying 4 NC in basketball and 2 runner ups is worse than 4 NC and 2 NIT bids.
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There is an inherent inconsistency or contradiction in what you guys are arguing. To argue that Brady is the greatest ever, or really any kind of argument you want to make on Brady's behalf, it has to come down to one word: winning. You have to value that one thing above all else, you have to give credit to the QB for what the defense or special teams or coaching did that the QB really didn't have a single thing to do with. So, winning above all else. And now, having said that winning is the most important thing, you turn around and give Brady credit for......losing. For losing two Super Bowls. So winning is the only thing! Except, if I'm building the case for Brady, I want to give him credit for almost winnning......
 
Originally posted by lakercat:
Did you what Peyton did against that same defense?
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Nope. Common misconception I think. Just like the '86 Bears D wasn't the '85 Bears D, so with this Seahawks D. the 2014 Seattle D was an all time defense, one of the best ever. This year, it was the best defense in the league, but there is one of those every year, doesn't necessarily means it's special.

Last year, Seattle had 7 guys to rotate along the D line. They lost 4 of them (Red Bryant and Clinton McDonald and one other guy I don't recall via free agency) and then lost another (Brandon Mebane ) to a torn hamstring. So they were really thin across the front, as opposed to last year when it was a Kentucky basketball wave after wave of good players kind of thing. And then Thomas with the dislocated shoulder, Sherman with the torn elbow ligaments, and Chancellor with the knee. And then, once the game started, you lose Lane to the wrist and then Avril - for all the hullabaloo about the defensive secondary, he might have been the best player for Seattle in last year's title run - to the concussion. So, no, it wasn't even close to the "same" defense.
 
Originally posted by BengalWACO:
Originally posted by JBHolmesfan:
The play when Tom Brady intercepted that pass at the goal line is what makes him the greatest QB IMO. He single handedly won the game. No one else.
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LOL. Also I love your Sig photo!! love all 3 those teams.
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I'm sorry to hear that haha. Between UK, the Bengals and the Reds, there isn't a ton of winning. UK is the only one.
 
Originally posted by porterwildcat:
Finally, someone who gets it in this thread. There are a lot of butthurt fans in this thread that would hate Brady no matter what he has done. He has to be in the discussion as GOAT. If you can't put him in the discussion, I seriously question your football knowledge.
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I agree that Brady is one of the greatest. I think to say he's the best simply because of his 4 Super Bowls is incorrect. How many would Peyton Manning have if he played with Bill Billicheck? Good chance he'd have 4 as well. Brady has won 4 playoff games without throwing a TD. Peyton has lost 5 games without throwing a pick. The point is that there's more to how good a QB is than wins and losses. But yes, I do agree Brady is one of the best of all time. The Patriots definitely earned that win. I will not even try to diminish the victory.
 
Originally posted by kats23:
Brady's Superbowl wins ended 3 times with his kicker finishing the job for him and last night it ended with the other team handing it to him. Brady was a decent QB that developed into a great QB and is in the conversation of top 5 QBs but not GOAT
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

This is the best take I have seen on here. No doubt he should be in the conversation but I am just not sold on him be the GOAT. I give more credit to the system than the players in the case of the Patriots. I hate the cheating SOB but I think you could make a better argument for Belichick being the GOAT as a coach.
 
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