Levis dislocated his finger and got turf toe moving backwards into the end zone at Ole Miss.
If not running Levis is to protect him, it has had the opposite effect.
Offenses Problems (Scag vs Coen)
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If not running Levis is to protect him, it has had the opposite effect.
Both are a damn sight better than this year.
OL is the most important position group on offense and it isn't even close.
Think about it…
Darrian Kinnard might be the best tackle to ever play at this college. Rosenthal didn’t get drafted…more or less due to character…but was a NFL talent and one of the best we’ve seen…
Replace them with…Jeremy Flax who had basically 0 playing experience going into 2022….Kenneth Horsey who was a guard and we’ve moved him to a tackle playing out of position…
Then think about this…Luke Fortner was our Center who is now an NFL starting guard. We had to replace him with Cox…who was a starting guard.
So both tackles from last year are gone…both starting guards from last year have been moved to new spots on the line. The starting center is gone. So we don’t have a single person from last year’s line playing in their same position…
Inexperience. Out of position.
Scang may not be great…but Coen had a way better line. Coen had a top line in the country and it was 0 to do with him. That’s a fact. Recruited and developed without him.
Scang/Yenser arrived basically before spring camp. Didn’t recruit a single one. The old coach didn’t leave him much experience or talent…even took a guy that could’ve helped with him to Bama.
The offense is bad because the offensive line is awful. Let’s face it. Maybe Scang could do better to scheme around it…but also you can’t win in the SEC with a bad line. Coen had a great line…didn’t have to scheme around it…he had the talent and it made his job easier.
Darrian Kinnard might be the best tackle to ever play at this college. Rosenthal didn’t get drafted…more or less due to character…but was a NFL talent and one of the best we’ve seen…
Replace them with…Jeremy Flax who had basically 0 playing experience going into 2022….Kenneth Horsey who was a guard and we’ve moved him to a tackle playing out of position…
Then think about this…Luke Fortner was our Center who is now an NFL starting guard. We had to replace him with Cox…who was a starting guard.
So both tackles from last year are gone…both starting guards from last year have been moved to new spots on the line. The starting center is gone. So we don’t have a single person from last year’s line playing in their same position…
Inexperience. Out of position.
Scang may not be great…but Coen had a way better line. Coen had a top line in the country and it was 0 to do with him. That’s a fact. Recruited and developed without him.
Scang/Yenser arrived basically before spring camp. Didn’t recruit a single one. The old coach didn’t leave him much experience or talent…even took a guy that could’ve helped with him to Bama.
The offense is bad because the offensive line is awful. Let’s face it. Maybe Scang could do better to scheme around it…but also you can’t win in the SEC with a bad line. Coen had a great line…didn’t have to scheme around it…he had the talent and it made his job easier.
Coen may not have been special but he is miles ahead of Scank
That's not been emphasized enough. We were great in the red zone last year and most of the TD's was plays called that got people wide open. We have struggled to get in this year and most times it hasn't been easy. Scang led one of the worst offenses in the NFL when he was at Denver. It's definitely been a downgrade.
Scang is just not good. He has a bad scheme and is a bad play caller. Bad at playing to the team’s strengths. Has taken 35% of Levis’s offensive abilities away by not having any QB designed runs. He openly said that when he was hired that he doesn’t do many QB runs. Which is why Levis has been injured more. Getting hit more than he did last year. Last year he was the hitter and this year he is the hittee
I agree mostly with what you said. However, I think "Scangs" offense and blocking schemes are making the O line worse due to not understanding the outside blocking schemes . I also think perhaps he is in Levi`s head and not wanting him to run. I have no definitive knowledge of this, but I liked Coen far better. We truly look like we did when Bill Curry was coaching us, and we have far superior talent now compared to then.
Well he went to be the OC for rams. So I’d say he was pretty special. It hurt BAD to lose him
Coen was special for sure. Plus he and woody had a special synergy.
Scang isn't on that level but doesn't have to be. He just needs to pare down the complexity and be willing to run will a handful of times per game.
If UK fans are expecting the next liam Cohen you will be disappointed for years to come. I wasn't sold when we hired him over Joe Morehead, but saw the genius in the first game.
I keep thinking back to what stoops said in some interviews when scang was hired. He said he told him he had no interest in replacing yet another OC so he was expecting a commitment from him. Honestly I don’t see stoops dumping him after this year. Not after demanding the same commitment from him. The line just simply must get stronger.
Just ask Aaron Rodgers and Mathew Stafford. Gets a quarterback hurt too, Joe Burrow.
So is the OC not part of the decision to move Horsey, an established SEC guards to tackle? Burton is a hot mess at guard. He's not strong enough yet and needed another year. We'd be a ton better with dealing with Buford at tackle and let Horsey be solid at guard. All we did was have 2 underperforming Oline spots.
I didn't hate the move of Cox as Center (if you can snap the ball)...you can adjust to it. He's not been very good at C.
But I'll argue...Yenser and Scang look alot like Ron Hudson/Paul Dunn as OC/OL coach under Brooks. They had an established offense with JLO, Antonio Hall, etc..and they come in and we were awful. I see Yenser/Scang as inevitable they'll be fired. They had a ton of pieces to a good offense and have stripped it to near the worst offense of Stoops tenure after Year 1.
I didn't hate the move of Cox as Center (if you can snap the ball)...you can adjust to it. He's not been very good at C.
But I'll argue...Yenser and Scang look alot like Ron Hudson/Paul Dunn as OC/OL coach under Brooks. They had an established offense with JLO, Antonio Hall, etc..and they come in and we were awful. I see Yenser/Scang as inevitable they'll be fired. They had a ton of pieces to a good offense and have stripped it to near the worst offense of Stoops tenure after Year 1.
You must not remember the days of 3rd and 1 being a guaranteed 2 yard loss. That was the case for a decade or more. This OL is decent. It's just a major step down from several years of some of the best we ever had
If this line is "decent" then our OC is horrible. We have one of the best RB in our program history, a first round talent at QB, and the deepest WR group during Stoops tenure. This line isn't good. Add in that we they are tipping off the plays to the opponent and it gets really ugly. This has been a poor coached team on that side of the ball.
Ironically the Rams have gone from SB champ to having a bottom quarter of the league offense this year due to horrible line play. McVey has spawned 3 OCs to HC jobs (and one DC) in just a few years. Now I think Coen is superior to Scang, mostly based on play calling and what we heard opposing teams say last year about how hard we were to prepare for, but bad OLines make it difficult to judge overall. Just look at the Chiefs/Bucs SB, the Chiefs looked unstoppable but had OL injuries going in and the Bucs manhandled them.
We have a mediocre college qb who is awful at presnap recognition. That's literally the entire issue.
Our run game is good but not great. We can't run into 7/8 man boxes and still get 6 yards like we could the last few years. QB can't recognize blitz and diagnose where to throw the ball. That's literally the entire offensive struggle in a nutshell.
Now if you want to complain about us not spreading people out trying to make it easier for even Levis to recognize - I'm with you. If you want to complain about lack of QB run stalling our offense - I'm with you, although that's also a hc and a Levis complaint
Yeah that’s my thing with judging Scangarello. Things that tend to make life easier in the college game isnt what stoops wants to play so scang may have his issues but there is also an overarching challenge that stoops wants to play it tight. That’s not to say scang would even do anything about it he was hired because he keeps things in tight etc. my primary concern with the pro style choice by stoops is that we clearly are going to be leaning on the portal for Qb’s and if it’s going to be cumbersome to pick up it’s going to be difficult with quick turnarounds on turnover at that position. And there is a lot of it in this new world at qb.
We definitely need to streamline the offense and it's operation. It's way too much for kids to get through and not just the QB. You have 18 year old wrs trying to process NFL level info and it is too much.
I often mention the QB being unable to handle the blitz. While that's true, handling the blitz is an all 11 job. Wrs and Tes need to tell the QB when their man is creeping down and/or recognize it and break routes, etc. The OL is obviously a step down and the QB is slow on recognition, so they need more help. More help can be the oc making the offense easier.
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