Off Topic: Mitch Troubles

[bigblueinsanity]

Sounds like a situation where plantiffs say UK should have known and stopped it. Remains to be seen if there is evidence that UK and/or Mitch did actually know.

In the complaint they cite specific dates and times to the notice given to Mitch and others. So that most surely means they have that proof documented. So that's probably not the issue.

The issue for Mitch will be whether or not the actual sexual abuse/acts occurred. If they did after he was warned, he's toast and should be.

Even if they didn't, not sure how Mitch gets warned about this guy yet still hired him to be around women in swimsuits. Weird considering we know his morality heavily influences everything else he does.

 

[King Pope]

It wasn’t clear to me either. Some of those articles are poorly written. But yeah it looks like it happened at other schools and UK was notified of his past but hired and kept him on anyway. Appears it happened for a good part of his time here too. This ain’t good.

https://amp.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/article287644580.html

So dude was raping women at other universities, other universities notified UK instead of the police that he was raping women, and UK hired him anyway? He gets to UK and starts raping the accuser for years, she kept coming back and notified Mitch Barnhart instead of the police. Barnhart and UK do nothing and she keeps coming back and getting raped? Is that right? Well if getting Mitch Barnhart is the goal facts logic and reason don’t matter.

 

[Jkwo]

I think we all agree on supporting Pope for Pope's sake, BUT

All the goodwill in the world doesn't erase the fact that Mitch just performed a hire that looked like a computer glitch - it looked like someone mis-clicked when placing an order online. It's still an unbelievable hire, even if we love Pope personally.

Inexplicably going after a 15th option in extraordinarily quick fashion and passing over the Pearl class of coaches (or Oats, Smart, Beard, Miller, Lloyd, whoever you put in there with multiple second weekend NCAATs etc) - it makes zero sense without some hidden variable.

Being an alum is great and all, but when we're talking about $5mil + contracts, there is only one area where Pope is truly elite (and which connects him to Mitch's other die-hard choice in Scott Drew):

he is as pure as the driven snow, without even the faintest whiff of negativity or scandal attached to him.

Anybody who has ever worked for a big, powerful organization with an army of lawyers knows that Mitch knew this story was coming well before it dropped.

So it does make me wonder to what degree self-preservation instincts could've played a role in the hiring - I'm sure it makes no difference to the case, but on a primitive level, maybe you go into overdrive eliminating chinks in the armor from a PR standpoint.

 

[BigBlue1992]

So dude was raping women at other universities, other universities notified UK and not the police that he was raping women, and UK hired him anyway? He gets to UK and starts raping the accuser for years, she kept coming back and notified Mitch Barnhart and not the police. They do nothing and she keeps coming back and getting raped? Is that right? Well if getting Mitch Barnhart is the goal facts logic and reason don’t matter.

In case you didn’t know, I didn’t write the article. I posted it and we were trying to interpret what it was saying happened. Not sure why your post is directed at me. Tell that to the plaintiffs.

 

[FilsonCat]

Established coaches not wanting to be anywhere near an impending high profile scandal (regardless of where it ends up) may be an explanation for how things played out during the coaching search. Something changed the timeline, and it may have been a heads up that this story was going to run now.

Who do you hire to insulate your basketball program when you've got a scandal like this brewing? Someone like Mark Pope. Honestly, how would it look if you hire Bruce Pearl in light of these allegations? Nothing against Bruce, but there are pictures him out there with his shirt off on a boat with coeds.

 

[BigBlue1992]

For those talking about Riley Gaines, don’t be fooled. That girl is bought and paid for by politicians and government. Where the hell did she come up with millions of dollars to all of a sudden constantly travel around the country starting this huge movement? Government is the answer. She’s an actor.

And by the way, I am a very conservative person and am obviously big time against men competing against women. Two genders built totally different.

Sorry didn’t mean to get political but others are bringing political figures into the mix.

 

[WayneDougan]

The two women he allegedly raped had relations with him for years afterwards. That's always a red flag for me.

 

[kydmb99]

The two women he allegedly raped had relations with him for years afterwards. That's always a red flag for me.

What “relations”? As in they continued to be on the swim team?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

The two women he allegedly raped had relations with him for years afterwards. That's always a red flag for me.

Agree. But if you get notice of someone being a risk and you hire them anyway - you better hope they stay good.

If they can prove he did this, not h is done. If not then NBD other than optics

 

[FurdTerguson]

It could sink him

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

I read it and don't think Mitch will get in trouble at all. People need to read and consider wording and also what isn't being said.

But I know there's a faction that's literally drooling to call for Mitch to be fired every chance they get.

What was said was Mitch was emailed about it (so solid proof if true) he knew, and did nothing about it. There are laws about reporting things like this up the chain. So, you think he won’t get in trouble or should not get in trouble?

 

[UKnCincy]

What was said was Mitch was emailed about it (so solid proof if true) he knew, and did nothing about it. There are laws about reporting things like this up the chain. So, you think he won’t get in trouble or should not get in trouble?

Barnhart was emailed an allegation that Jorgensen had an inappropriate relationship with a student athlete. We don’t know if Barnhart ever read that email. I know for me personally at least, I tend not to open emails I receive on work email that come from someone I don’t know.

We also know that UK’s head coach at the time, spoke directly with the student athlete who was alleged to have been in the relationship with Jorgenson at Toledo. She told him that the relationship began after she was no longer a student.

Now I think it’s inappropriate for the UK head coach to be the one to speak with the woman instead of someone from the Title IX office, but those facts alone about the email situation don’t seem like a big enough problem to force Barnhart out. Even if the Title IX office had spoken with her instead of the head coach, it’s reasonable to assume she would have told them the same thing, which is that it was a consensual relationship that began after she was no longer a student. In that situation, I’m not sure what more UK could do.

We need more facts to come to light before we can say whether or not Barnhart bears a a significant level of responsibility in this. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t.

 

[RondosRevengeTour]

How much trouble is he going to be in over the ex swim coach situation? Seems like it has the potential to force his resignation.

We can only hope brother, we even need pastor Scott in on this prayer circle.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Barnhart was emailed an allegation that Jorgensen had an inappropriate relationship with a student athlete. We don’t know if Barnhart ever read that email. I know for me personally at least, I tend not to open emails I receive on work email that come from someone I don’t know.

We also know that UK’s head coach at the time, spoke directly with the student athlete who was alleged to have been in the relationship with Jorgenson at Toledo. She told him that the relationship began after she was no longer a student.

Now I think it’s inappropriate for the UK head coach to be the one to speak with the woman instead of someone from the Title IX office, but those facts alone about the email situation don’t seem like a big enough problem to force Barnhart out. Even if the Title IX office had spoken with her instead of the head coach, it’s reasonable to assume she would have told them the same thing, which is that it was a consensual relationship that began after she was no longer a student. In that situation, I’m not sure what more UK could do.

We need more facts to come to light before we can say whether or not Barnhart bears a a significant level of responsibility in this. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t.

If he got that email he's charged with notice. Noone in his position can disregard that as spam. He has an affirmative duty to act. If he thought it was spam, he should've called the sender like compliance training tells him.

That's not an email he can use an ostrich defense.

 

[trueblujr2]

Why couldn’t this have happened a week ago?

And how would that have helped? No AD means no coach at all right now and no team or a very cobbled together one for next year, with who knows for a coach. You want Louisville bad? Thats it right there. Be thankful we landed Pope and that support is there to back him whether Mitch resigns now or not.

 

[WayneDougan]

Agree. But if you get notice of someone being a risk and you hire them anyway - you better hope they stay good.

If they can prove he did this, not h is done. If not then NBD other than optics

If he got that email he's charged with notice. Noone in his position can disregard that as spam. He has an affirmative duty to act. If he thought it was spam, he should've called the sender like compliance training tells him.

That's not an email he can use an ostrich defense.

The email stated the coach dated a former swimmer. Is that even illegal?

 

[hs_sportsfan]

There are a lot of things that people disagree with Barnhart over. I will say one thing we can all agree with sweeping something like this under the rug would be way out of character for him. If there is a video from 2012 why hasn't that come forward?

Not ready to bury everyone for this hope they get to the bottom of it and find out what actually happened.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

The email stated the coach dated a former swimmer. Is that even illegal?

If the complaint allegations are true, the email also warned he should not be around female student athletes.

 

[Rockfly78]

And how would that have helped? No AD means no coach at all right now and no team or a very cobbled together one for next year, with who knows for a coach. You want Louisville bad? Thats it right there. Be thankful we landed Pope and that support is there to back him whether Mitch resigns now or not.

It was a joke bubba

 

[TankedCat]

Nobody is covering up rape for the damn swim team.

Ole activist swim girl who fights against boys playing/swimming with girls, Riley Gaines was on the biggest platform in the world, Joe Rogan, not too long ago had glowing reviews for UKAD and MB. If something was amiss, I reckon she probably would have said something then.

We're talking about a guy who thinks OAD and NIL are a bit much...and he's going to allow rape!

if there is proof Barnhart got that email from Toledo (and subsequently proved rape did occur), he'll be forced to resign. The fact that the coach was suspended certainly adds more than smoke here

 

[KYCAT78]

Jim Jordan says player rape is no biggie

Neither is being a crook just ask Joe Biden and the Biden crime syndicate.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

I think we all agree on supporting Pope for Pope's sake, BUT

All the goodwill in the world doesn't erase the fact that Mitch just performed a hire that looked like a computer glitch - it looked like someone mis-clicked when placing an order online. It's still an unbelievable hire, even if we love Pope personally.

Inexplicably going after a 15th option in extraordinarily quick fashion and passing over the Pearl class of coaches (or Oats, Smart, Beard, Miller, Lloyd, whoever you put in there with multiple second weekend NCAATs etc) - it makes zero sense without some hidden variable.

Being an alum is great and all, but when we're talking about $5mil + contracts, there is only one area where Pope is truly elite (and which connects him to Mitch's other die-hard choice in Scott Drew):

he is as pure as the driven snow, without even the faintest whiff of negativity or scandal attached to him.

Anybody who has ever worked for a big, powerful organization with an army of lawyers knows that Mitch knew this story was coming well before it dropped.

So it does make me wonder to what degree self-preservation instincts could've played a role in the hiring - I'm sure it makes no difference to the case, but on a primitive level, maybe you go into overdrive eliminating chinks in the armor from a PR standpoint.

Luckily, absolute none of this bluster can be proved, but those that hate Mitch will yearn for more of your teachings.

 

[ralphdaltonfan]

Barnhart is awful. I support Coach Pope completely and hope he makes Mitch look good, that being said, Barnhart sounded like a jackass in a lot of ways yesterday in that KSR interview. The lone thing that stuck out to me is how easy it would be to BS him to get a job. The things he said impressed him about Pope were laughable. That's not a knock at Mark either-it's to take a shot at what impressed Barnhart in looking for a Coach.

No matter how this turns out, just know the University of Kentucky's AD was bragging over the airway that Mark Pope told him that 2 players who had 0 interest in BYU were now interested in playing for him at Kentucky. That was actually stated by an AD at UK. Unreal.

The "this school changed my life" comment.....guess I'm a more hardened person but the HOW/WHY matters more than that statement. That's the #1 rule in any interview-puff up the place you are trying to get the job.

What I learned most from listening to Barnhart is that a group of Basketball people needed to be accompanying him and asking questions and making the decisions. First off-they'd know who the players/recruits were that Pope was referencing and would also remind him of the stature of the job he's applying.

Said it before/will repeat it--Cal AND Mitch Barnhart had/have to go for this program to reach the top again.

 

[Stretch98]

If he got that email he's charged with notice. Noone in his position can disregard that as spam. He has an affirmative duty to act. If he thought it was spam, he should've called the sender like compliance training tells him.

That's not an email he can use an ostrich defense.

If providing proper notice is a necessary element of my civil claim, I am sending it via certified mail return receipt requested like the court clerk sends a summons pursuant to the Civil Rules. Email is not sufficiently reliable to constitute legal notice.

 

[HeismaNole]

The two women he allegedly raped had relations with him for years afterwards. That's always a red flag for me.

It's bad that we have seen these tactics so often and have grown to be skeptical of these claims. This type of stuff is the easiest shakedown.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

If providing proper notice is a necessary element of my civil claim, I am sending it via certified mail return receipt requested like the court clerk sends a summons pursuant to the Civil Rules. Email is not sufficiently reliable to constitute legal notice.

It isn't that type of notice and it certainly is not required.

 

[moses1uk]

Neither is being a crook just ask Joe Biden and the Biden crime syndicate.

Neither is being a crook just ask Joe Biden and the Biden crime syndicate.

Jordan allowed hundreds to get raped for years . Your own GOP committee has recently testified they have zero evidence of Biden crimes . Facts matter

 

[BGWentworth]

This post should be deleted and some lunatic “fans” should be banned.

 

[Jkwo]

Luckily, absolute none of this bluster can be proved, but those that hate Mitch will yearn for more of your teachings.

Lol

 

[frydaze]

You seem bright

You’re dumb.

 

[mebeblue2]

I hope he gets life in prison.

i am putting you in message board prison
ignore

 

[truebluewildcat]

Blowing the top off a major, earth shattering scandal at your university is a lot different than going around saying men shouldn’t compete against women

She didn’t seem shy about talking and fighting against injustice.

If she’s going to fight dudes in the locker room and pool one would assume she would be just as vocal against dudes assaulting her teammates.

Maybe she had no clue though so who knows. That’s what lawyers and courts are for. Who did what who knew what…

The idea that MB the guy who everyone says is too timid and risk averse would be involved in something major like this just doesn’t compute.

 

[catlogic15]

This is serious and picking up national steam. Note Barnhart is named specifically in the suit. This probably won’t end well for Mitch.

 

[permdaddy]

Thanks for sharing. This isn’t good…at all. First, I feel for the victims if the allegations are true. Second, this will get an AD and potentially university president fired in a heartbeat (as it should) if true.

I was trying to convey the seriousness of it without mentioning details last night. Unless it's a complete fabrication which seems very unlikely this will require a complete overhaul of personnel from the top down. Sickening stuff

 

[WayneDougan]

Why would Eli C be fired if it never got to him?

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Why would Eli C be fired if it never got to him?

Because Raftards

 

[bthaunert]

Why would Eli C be fired if it never got to him?

In general, and I am talking if all the allegations are true, one of the big things that will get a university president fired is covering up or lack of response to sexual assaults. It does not matter if they knew or not…these things can work their way to the top.

Here is a quote by the University of Maryland President, “As President, I sit over a number of dormant volcanoes. One of them is an athletic scandal. It blows up, it blows up the University, its reputation. It blows up the President.”

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Pitino positioning himself as the next A.D., cutting checks and such.

 

[kywildcatsfannumber1]

After listening to the allegations on the news last night, it certainly hard to survive this mess. I guess we'll still be seeing him introduce Pope tomorrow. Hopefully questions for Mitch don't overshadow tomorrow's moment for Pope but it would be nice to hear them address the situation instead of the usual legal PR not going to comment statement we always get fed.

 

[Coach Marrow]

Mitch gets so many emails from complaining fans. That is definitely not the most efficient way to reach him.