No win situation...and OOC scheduling...

[truebluewildcat]

Not a big fan of EKU being on the schedule...it is a no win situation...

if we blow them out...we benefit in no way...team doesn't really improve as they'd be better served having a scrimmage...

if it's close...people will holler about not blowing them out...

if we lose...pandemonium..."fire Mitch, Stoops, Pat, and President Capiluto..."

I think as a program UK is on a path to where these games against EKU, WKU, Charlotte etc, need to be gone with in the next season or two...they do nothing to benefit the program...attendance usually isn't great, no exposure for the program due to lack of appeal, and the team doesn't really gain anything competitively...

I would love to see the UKAD start to expand their horizon in terms of OOC opponents...play slightly more competitive opponents from different regions of the country...

would be great to get some exposure west of the mississippi and tap into Texas and California...a shoot out with tech would be fun...Cal would be an interesting game...need to think about a Stoops vs Stoops game at some point...that would be huge...

you can never have too much of a presence in florida...UCF, USF are programs we can beat...heck Miami is not what it was...

would also like to tap into the north eastern pipelines...Syracuse, Maryland...

If Stoops wants to continue to have success in ohio which will get tougher with Meyer and Harbaugh...a game with Cinci would go a long way in keeping a foothold up there...

 

[Nuke99m]

Every program in the SEC plays these games. It will be a game where hopefully you can play a lot of young players ( I want to see Barker at qb and King at rb).

 

[hmt5000]

So being able to play 3rd stringers and rest up some starters isn't a benefit? Let's get to a point where we win 7 or 8 games consistently before we make our top 20 schedule harder... especially when it's probably gonna be top 10 the couple years

 

[ZZZZCat]

I am pretty happy about EKU being on the schedule... especially this year...

 

[Rhavicc]

Such a false statement. We can't play P5 teams every week. No team can. We need the breaks, every team has them. It serves as game time for younger players, practicing execution against different looks.
What you would like to see and what's good for our team are two entirely different things. Wanna play Cal, or Syracuse? Do it in a bowl game, not the OOC schedule. Not until this program is completely on solid ground and we build quality depth and experience at least.

Getting the EKU game before a bye week is a blessing.

 

[UKBlueBlood]

Not a big fan of EKU being on the schedule...it is a no win situation...

if we blow them out...we benefit in no way...team doesn't really improve as they'd be better served having a scrimmage...

if it's close...people will holler about not blowing them out...

if we lose...pandemonium..."fire Mitch, Stoops, Pat, and President Capiluto..."

I think as a program UK is on a path to where these games against EKU, WKU, Charlotte etc, need to be gone with in the next season or two...they do nothing to benefit the program...attendance usually isn't great, no exposure for the program due to lack of appeal, and the team doesn't really gain anything competitively...

I would love to see the UKAD start to expand their horizon in terms of OOC opponents...play slightly more competitive opponents from different regions of the country...

would be great to get some exposure west of the mississippi and tap into Texas and California...a shoot out with tech would be fun...Cal would be an interesting game...need to think about a Stoops vs Stoops game at some point...that would be huge...

you can never have too much of a presence in florida...UCF, USF are programs we can beat...heck Miami is not what it was...

would also like to tap into the north eastern pipelines...Syracuse, Maryland...

If Stoops wants to continue to have success in ohio which will get tougher with Meyer and Harbaugh...a game with Cinci would go a long way in keeping a foothold up there...

It's a game that UK should win virtually 100% of the time. It's a game that you can safely ink in the win column and gets UK closer to bowl eligibility. Bowl eligibility offers UK additional practice time, greater exposure, and more ammunition for recruiting. That is the "benefit" of playing games like EKU in the present landscape of UK's program.

If UK's program advances to stringing together a few 8-9 win seasons and is bringing in decidedly improved recruits year over year, THEN MAYBE you consider dabbling in a higher profile OOC opponent. But at this time, there is much more to lose by dropping a game to a tougher OOC opponent than there is to gain by securing a likely win against the likes of EKU.

 

[JHB4UK]

if we blow them out...we benefit in no way...team doesn't really improve as they'd be better served having a scrimmage...

Awful take, so very uneducated about football. One player in particular is going to benefit from the game this weekend, Drew Barker. Lots of other 3rd stringers who have not gotten many snaps if any at all due to the 4 close games are going to get live action playing time this weekend, getting themselves on video for the coaches to examine and help them get better.

Every team in the SEC and every other power 5 conference plays 1 1-AA team a year.

 

[JasonS.]

I think we're not very far away from a rule requiring at least 10 games against Power 5 teams .... fans (who have increasingly no interest in buying tickets for bad games) and TV executives (who run college sports) are going to demand it.

This would be a very fun year to still play Indiana. Two up and coming programs knocking on the door of the Top 25.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Awful take, so very uneducated about football. One player in particular is going to benefit from the game this weekend, Drew Barker. Lots of other 3rd stringers who have not gotten many snaps if any at all due to the 4 close games are going to get live action playing time this weekend, getting themselves on video for the coaches to examine and help them get better.

Every team in the SEC and every other power 5 conference plays 1 1-AA team a year.

I have no problem with playing a 1AA school, especially with our conference schedule. Id just prefer it not be an in state school. We have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Just play another 1AA team.

I know if we lose to a different 1AA school, its just as bad But they wont have the same motivation an in state school has.

 

[truebluewildcat]

no one is saying we need to have Ohio State, FSU, Oregon, USC, and Notre Dame on our schedule...but there are very beatable teams from P5 conferences...

i'm not even suggesting we try to schedule them all in the same year...but maybe replace an eku or charlotte with an IU, Illinoise, Conneticut, Texas Tech, Boise St, Fresno St, UCF, Rutgers, Nebraska, Washington, Oregon St, etc...and we could still have ULL, WKU, UL....which would give us a great chance to go 3-1 if not 4-0 in OOC...

thumping eku is great...but the false sense of security heading into auburn is not...

just like thumping ULM was great...boy we were 5-1, well on our way to be bowl eligible...then we played some men in baton rouge...and continued to run into men the rest of the season...

 

[UPSCat4080]

How about we play Oregon, Ohio State, Southern California and TCU every year out of conference? That way if we go 4-4 in the SEC we still won't get to go to a bowl!

Some people are ridiculous. Name me ONE POWER 5 TEAM that does not play at least 3 give me games in a year OOC...I'll sit back and wait.

 

[JasonS.]

Name me ONE POWER 5 TEAM that does not play at least 3 give me games in a year OOC...I'll sit back and wait.

Louisville is a pretty obvious one that comes to mind ... potentially three Top 25 games in non-conference this year (Houston, Auburn, Kentucky).

 

[BlueRaider22]

When we have to fight to get 6 wins and a bowl game to keep momentum, why do you complain about this? We need some games like this on the schedule right now. If we ever become a perennial top 10-25 team, then we can have this discussion.

And I certainly get more benefit watching local teams play.

 

[K_TIME]

1. The goal for UK is 6 wins and minimum bowl eligibility each year. Playing in SEC slate for UK along with UL as permanent rival is enough competition for UK. The other 3 OOC need to be home game/neutral (Nashville/Cincy area) that we should win rather handily.
2. 95% of other P5 teams play their conference slate along with 1 OOC game that is legit competition. The other 3 OOC games are total cupcakes. UK isn't doing anything wrong by doing the exact same thing s everybody else.

I've always not agreed with the added 12th game to the schedule 10 years ago. All that schools did was schedule another patsy and put it in October to basically get a "bye" week by playing a scrub but still charge ticket holders big prices for terrible games. But big schools don't want to chance a tough game to knock them out of title picture and lesser schools don't want to chance losing an easy "W" and not making bowl eligibility. But fans get hosed by this practice in the end

 

[catben]

When UK Football can FINALLY finish a season with an SEC record above .500, then and only then, should we expand the schedule to include another big game.

Playing EKU:
-is in line with most if not all other SEC team's scheduling of one FCS team
-allows our 2nd and 3rd team players to get a chance to play
-helps an in state school financially
-is going to bring a better crowd than playing a top 25 team(Mizzu)

I am all for upgrading UK Football. However, you must crawl before you walk and walk before you run. Why would anyone want to play a tougher schedule when we haven't been to ONE SEC Championship game since the league established it?!!!!

 

[hmt5000]

Louisville is a pretty obvious one that comes to mind ... potentially three Top 25 games in non-conference this year (Houston, Auburn, Kentucky).

40 years of cupcake schedules and the 1 year they actually play someone they sit at 1 and 3 and depending on the NC state outcome they may need to beat us to be bowl eligible.... and their schedule is still ranked easier than ours overall.

 

[fabcat]

Last 3 years we have gone 2-10...2-10 and 5-7. And we now need to schedule tougher OOC games? We have Louisville as a OOC game every year and that is what most P5 teams do is play one team from another P5 conference and 3 gimme games. As soon as we schedule tougher OOC games and lose then people will be bitching about our record. Can't have it both ways. We play 9 tough games a year.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I think we're not very far away from a rule requiring at least 10 games against Power 5 teams .... fans (who have increasingly no interest in buying tickets for bad games) and TV executives (who run college sports) are going to demand it.

This would be a very fun year to still play Indiana. Two up and coming programs knocking on the door of the Top 25.

I think you are most likely right. I really can't say I am against it either. I wouldn't be against doing away with the games like UGA had this past weekend either, we had on business playing them, fans didn't care for it, team didn't care for it. I think a good rule would be 10P5 games, no FCS games if you want considered for the playoff. If getting in the playoff isn't a goal, but trying turn things around a little, schedule some mid majors and snag a Southern to get some wins, but dont' complain about your bowl and not getting considered for a playoff spot.

 

[uk_fan_in_tn]

WKU and Lafayette have consistently good teams that are bowl eligible regularly. You forget we're only 2 years removed from losing to Western. The Charlotte game was kind of a scramble to fill the spot after UAB announced they were ending their football program (now they're bringing it back) and I have no issue with EKU, isn't it just about sold out also? So the argument no one comes is invalid. As others have said, the program isn't where it needs to be in order to schedule more power 5 teams outside of Louisville.

 

[catben]

I think you are most likely right. I really can't say I am against it either. I wouldn't be against doing away with the games like UGA had this past weekend either, we had on business playing them, fans didn't care for it, team didn't care for it. I think a good rule would be 10P5 games, no FCS games if you want considered for the playoff. If getting in the playoff isn't a goal, but trying turn things around a little, schedule some mid majors and snag a Southern to get some wins, but dont' complain about your bowl and not getting considered for a playoff spot.

I look for the SEC to expand to a 9 game league schedule within the next 10 years, with a required out of conference P5 opponent.

 

[fabcat]

I think you are most likely right. I really can't say I am against it either. I wouldn't be against doing away with the games like UGA had this past weekend either, we had on business playing them, fans didn't care for it, team didn't care for it. I think a good rule would be 10P5 games, no FCS games if you want considered for the playoff. If getting in the playoff isn't a goal, but trying turn things around a little, schedule some mid majors and snag a Southern to get some wins, but dont' complain about your bowl and not getting considered for a playoff spot.

Some of the FCS schools are better than some of the lower end FBS schools, they are littered with high end FBS transfers who don't want to sit out a year or for other reasons. But I understand they are looked upon different than some of the low end FBS schools. EKU has a former 4-5* DE that plays for them along with Mobley from UK, and the back from Florida who shat his pants in a game that got a lot of headlines, but is a very good player. You don't find those players in lower run FBS schools. Fans are not going to like whether you schedule a FCS school or a lower end FBS school and I understand that, but I also understand what coaches are faced with as well.

When you play 8 conference games a year and have another P5 game that you schedule every year it is tough to try and fill out the rest of your schedule. Your not going to make everyone happy, but you have to protect your team some. They are only going to be able to bring it so many times a year.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I look for the SEC to expand to a 9 game league schedule within the next 10 years, with a required out of conference P5 opponent.

I can see that, especially if we add a couple of teams. I don't think the SEC will do away with the long time rival games, Bama/UT, UGA/AU or some of the others I am not as familiar with because that's a big part of SEC history, that and the SEC office being in Alabama the commish. would be afraid for his life if he tried to change it. I have no idea who could be added, unless things change it won't be FSU, Clemson, GT or Louisville. A team from North Carolina would be welcomed as would a team from Virginia, even WVU. From the west it would almost have to be another Texas team. I don't think VT and UV can come without the other, don't think we want to do that but it would get the SEC into the DC market, and move Missouri to the West. West Virginia and NCST would be good additions too, as far as footprint goes.

 

[Ineverplayedthegame]

no one is saying we need to have Ohio State, FSU, Oregon, USC, and Notre Dame on our schedule...but there are very beatable teams from P5 conferences...

i'm not even suggesting we try to schedule them all in the same year...but maybe replace an eku or charlotte with an IU, Illinoise, Conneticut, Texas Tech, Boise St, Fresno St, UCF, Rutgers, Nebraska, Washington, Oregon St, etc...and we could still have ULL, WKU, UL....which would give us a great chance to go 3-1 if not 4-0 in OOC...

thumping eku is great...but the false sense of security heading into auburn is not...

just like thumping ULM was great...boy we were 5-1, well on our way to be bowl eligible...then we played some men in baton rouge...and continued to run into men the rest of the season...

Everyone of those teams you mention is only going to schedule a home and home so do you really think UK will give up a home game revenue every other year?
The reason they play those schools is to keep an extra home game just as much as a guaranteed win.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

no one is saying we need to have Ohio State, FSU, Oregon, USC, and Notre Dame on our schedule...but there are very beatable teams from P5 conferences...

i'm not even suggesting we try to schedule them all in the same year...but maybe replace an eku or charlotte with an IU, Illinoise, Conneticut, Texas Tech, Boise St, Fresno St, UCF, Rutgers, Nebraska, Washington, Oregon St, etc...and we could still have ULL, WKU, UL....which would give us a great chance to go 3-1 if not 4-0 in OOC...

thumping eku is great...but the false sense of security heading into auburn is not...

just like thumping ULM was great...boy we were 5-1, well on our way to be bowl eligible...then we played some men in baton rouge...and continued to run into men the rest of the season...

So much contradictions and wrong with your posts it is hard where to start. I'll just state a few obvious things:

1. AU plays San Jose ST this week. I guess they can get a "false sense of security heading into Lexington" as well.
2. Comparing ULM last year to EKU? really?
3. So you don't want to play EKU because they are in state but your example has 1. WKU in it, who is in state and we are in a lose lose by playing for sure, and 2. ULL, which is pretty similar to ULM...who you bashed as a cupcake that did not prepare us adequately for the rest of the season.

So which it is it bud? Just chalk it up to a stupid thread, and call it day IMO.

 

[Dallas-Wild]

Playing EKU next right before a bye week is the perfect scenario for UK right now.

Being 4-1 heading toward the backend with AU in Lexington for a Thursday night national only game is a great situation.

Walking out with a 5-1 record and 3-1 SEC record with a few extra days off afterwards is great for us.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

Not a big fan of EKU being on the schedule...it is a no win situation...

if we blow them out...we benefit in no way...team doesn't really improve as they'd be better served having a scrimmage...

if it's close...people will holler about not blowing them out...

if we lose...pandemonium..."fire Mitch, Stoops, Pat, and President Capiluto..."

I think as a program UK is on a path to where these games against EKU, WKU, Charlotte etc, need to be gone with in the next season or two...they do nothing to benefit the program...attendance usually isn't great, no exposure for the program due to lack of appeal, and the team doesn't really gain anything competitively...

I would love to see the UKAD start to expand their horizon in terms of OOC opponents...play slightly more competitive opponents from different regions of the country...

would be great to get some exposure west of the mississippi and tap into Texas and California...a shoot out with tech would be fun...Cal would be an interesting game...need to think about a Stoops vs Stoops game at some point...that would be huge...

you can never have too much of a presence in florida...UCF, USF are programs we can beat...heck Miami is not what it was...

would also like to tap into the north eastern pipelines...Syracuse, Maryland...

If Stoops wants to continue to have success in ohio which will get tougher with Meyer and Harbaugh...a game with Cinci would go a long way in keeping a foothold up there...

I've said the same about Louisville, but unfortunately we play them every year. In fact, they moved that stupid game to the last game of the year! It's a no win for Kentucky and I hope Stoops builds this program so the few fans that think Louisville is a main rival will finally be able to move on to teams that matter.

 

[bthaunert]

Name me ONE POWER 5 TEAM that does not play at least 3 give me games in a year OOC...I'll sit back and wait.

It's not the norm, but it does happen more than you think (and I am not saying we should). The ACC, now with ND playing 6 games a year against ACC teams, has a number of teams that only have 2 cupcakes on their schedule. The PAC 12 plays 9 conference games, and those teams generally have at least 1 tough opponent OOC. The Big 12 also has 9 conference games, so generally only play 2 easy OOC games. Michigan State scheduled Oregon and Air Force; Michigan scheduled Utah, BYU and Oregon State.

There are quite a few examples out there.

 

[bigbluegrog]

Louisville is a pretty obvious one that comes to mind ... potentially three Top 25 games in non-conference this year (Houston, Auburn, Kentucky).

Not disagreeing, but I am sure when UL scheduled the game VS Houston.....they didn't schedule it because they thought they had a chance to lose. They penciled it in as a win. I don't think any of their fan base and administration thought they would lose this game. In many years, Houston would be about the same level as ULL.

 

[NavyCat88]

For those who think good D1 FCS teams are so bad we would be better served having a scrimmage: Every year D1 FBS schools are "shocked" by the FCS. JMU just beat SMU, Furman beat UCF, Wash St lost to Portland St this year, NDSU beat Kansas St a couple of years ago, JMU beat Va Tech, Maine beat Miss St, Ga Southern defeated UF, App State beat Michigan, Citadel beat Arkansas and So Carolina, Cal Poly beat Stanford, Eastern Washington beat Washington St and Oregon St in the recent past, Jacksonville beat Ole Miss......you get the picture.

These are games we should win if we prepare for them like any other D1 team. It is a good experience to game plan, execute, get ahead early and play some 2nd/3rd teamers against fair competition. However, take them lightly and you're headlining Sports Center.

 

[truebluewildcat]

have to think big picture...expanding the brand by gaining exposure in new regions and markets...as well as tapping into new recruiting territories...

as for the argument that power houses schedule cupcakes...they also schedule major opponents...all of them do...look at the top 25...they all play other top 25 OOC opponents...they get massive amounts of exposure and make big bucks off of those big games...

 

[Glenn's take]

I've been going to games for 25 years and the only power 5 opponents I have ever seen not in the SEC are Louisville and Indiana.

A lot of you sound like the classic U of L fan. Beat up a bunch of patsies, call it an accomplishment and tell everyone how good you are.

 

[NCukcat62]

One of the worst takes I've seen. Every team plays gimme games that garner zero recognition. Bama has played ULM and MTSU this season. Georgia just played Southern, a FCS school. Do you think they care. These games are for getting experience, rest, and playing around with the playbook. Like many posters have said, why play another power 5 team when we haven't had a a above .500 record in the sec for years.

 

[howercat]

simple response: UK is not in a position to play more Power 5 teams. UK needs 3 "gimmees" every year. Did you watch the Louisiana Lafayette game?

 

[jnewc2]

Not a big fan of EKU being on the schedule...it is a no win situation...

if we blow them out...we benefit in no way...team doesn't really improve as they'd be better served having a scrimmage...

if it's close...people will holler about not blowing them out...

if we lose...pandemonium..."fire Mitch, Stoops, Pat, and President Capiluto..."

I think as a program UK is on a path to where these games against EKU, WKU, Charlotte etc, need to be gone with in the next season or two...they do nothing to benefit the program...attendance usually isn't great, no exposure for the program due to lack of appeal, and the team doesn't really gain anything competitively...

I would love to see the UKAD start to expand their horizon in terms of OOC opponents...play slightly more competitive opponents from different regions of the country...

would be great to get some exposure west of the mississippi and tap into Texas and California...a shoot out with tech would be fun...Cal would be an interesting game...need to think about a Stoops vs Stoops game at some point...that would be huge...

you can never have too much of a presence in florida...UCF, USF are programs we can beat...heck Miami is not what it was...

would also like to tap into the north eastern pipelines...Syracuse, Maryland...

If Stoops wants to continue to have success in ohio which will get tougher with Meyer and Harbaugh...a game with Cinci would go a long way in keeping a foothold up there...

I have mixed feelings about it. I don't mind playing teams like EKU at home since everyone else is doing it, but I just don't like playing Kentucky teams like EKU or WKU because 1) they're going to play their game of the century against their handsome, significantly more successful big brother, and 2) if we do somehow lose one of these games (which is basically inevitable on a long enough time line) we have to sit there and listen to our friends around the state that graduated from EKU, WKU, etc talk about how they beat us that one time.

We literally have nothing to gain. We only help build these programs up (aka our ex-Missouri Valley Conference little brother, U. of Louisville).

Go schedule Florida Atlantic or Bowling Green. At least if some kind of once in a half century debacle occurs we won't have to get ribbed by EKU and WKU fans that have little brother syndrome.

Also, these neutral site & home-home games with non-P5 teams (aka Southern Miss and Eastern Mich) up your chance of losing about ten-fold. I thought we would've learned that lesson playing WKU in Nashville but we didn't. Take a look at how Miss. St. played at Southern Miss and Mizzou at Arkansas St. earlier this year. It's risky to play these non-P5 teams on the road because your team will likely be far from focused and won't even have the home crowd to back you up.

 

[JasonS.]

Not disagreeing, but I am sure when UL scheduled the game VS Houston.....they didn't schedule it because they thought they had a chance to lose. They penciled it in as a win. I don't think any of their fan base and administration thought they would lose this game. In many years, Houston would be about the same level as ULL.

No doubt. Agree 100%.

 

[SanAntonioCat]

A 12 game schedule in college football creates a scenario for multiple injuries and stress playing a very difficult SEC schedule. Most conference teams need this lesser teams on the schedule. If we ever became a top tier program, we can and very likely will schedule a competitive P5 team. Until then, enjoy the ride of a long woebegone program on the rise.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I've said the same about Louisville, but unfortunately we play them every year. In fact, they moved that stupid game to the last game of the year! It's a no win for Kentucky and I hope Stoops builds this program so the few fans that think Louisville is a main rival will finally be able to move on to Lo

Louisville is the last game of the year because the SEC has made that weekend rivalry week. UF plays FSU, USC plays CU, UGA plays GT, UK plays UL, AU plays Bama, OM plays State. All are instate games, West is just able to count it as a conference game while all the East's rivals are in the ACC. This allows them to go out and play an out of region P5 team and still play 3 cupcakes. Bama does this, AU does it, but the Mississippi schools play 4 cupcakes.

 

[MCtopper]

I have mixed feelings about it. I don't mind playing teams like EKU at home since everyone else is doing it, but I just don't like playing Kentucky teams like EKU or WKU because 1) they're going to play their game of the century against their handsome, significantly more successful big brother, and 2) if we do somehow lose one of these games (which is basically inevitable on a long enough time line) we have to sit there and listen to our friends around the state that graduated from EKU, WKU, etc talk about how they beat us that one time.

We literally have nothing to gain. We only help build these programs up (aka our ex-Missouri Valley Conference little brother, U. of Louisville).

Go schedule Florida Atlantic or Bowling Green. At least if some kind of once in a half century debacle occurs we won't have to get ribbed by EKU and WKU fans that have little brother syndrome.

Also, these neutral site & home-home games with non-P5 teams (aka Southern Miss and Eastern Mich) up your chance of losing about ten-fold. I thought we would've learned that lesson playing WKU in Nashville but we didn't. Take a look at how Miss. St. played at Southern Miss and Mizzou at Arkansas St. earlier this year. It's risky to play these non-P5 teams on the road because your team will likely be far from focused and won't even have the home crowd to back you up.

Once in a half century? Try two years in a row. As in back to back. Also known as a streak. I don't expect WKU to be back on UK's schedule anytime soon, so that's one you don't have to worry about.

In all seriousness, there is no shame in losing to WKU at this point (other than a little smack talk). They have proven they are a good football program, and have established themselves as one of the better non-P5 football programs over the last four or five years.

Comparing EKU to WKU is pretty hard these days. The similarities begin and end with the names. The Toppers are light years ahead of the Colonels.

 

[UKYcat1865]

If fans can't sellout hugely important games like the one we just played against a P5 school that had beaten us everytime since joining our conference before then the fans really don't deserve a thing in regards to scheduling.

 

[jrburt]

I like how these guys that selfishly want a power 5 game instead of a sure win that u can gain a boatload of experience to your younger players think all you have to do is call an Oregon State or Texas Tech and schedule a football game. All the other teams in the nation only play one out of conference game home and home also.

It is just how this thing is set up...nothing will change in our schedule unless you drop louisville which is not going to happen.

Dave